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Will Alien: Covenant introduce Xenomorph Egg Morphing?

Will Alien: Covenant introduce Xenomorph Egg Morphing?

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Chris

EngineerAdmin21811 XPJun-04-2016 11:36 AM

A deleted scene from Alien depicted Ripley discovering Dallas cocooned along the inner walls of the Nostomo, with a massive egg encasing his body - as if digesting him from the inside out. He uttered the creepy words "Kill me" before Ripley torched him. The cocooning concept was carried forth in James Cameron's sequel but the egg-morphing never made its debut on-screen.

As fellow member Aorta has addressed in previous topics, the concept of something slowly digesting you from within, slowly transforming you into something else grotesque is far more terrifying than being trapped on a ship with an Alien.

We saw an essence of this transformative bio-former material in the form of the "Black Goo" in Prometheus. Whose to say the Engineers didn't fashion their bio-former after the natural morphing abilities of the Xenomorph? Or what if the egg-morphing is an adopted trait of the Xenomorph's creation from the Engineer bio-former?

There's still so many theories about how and why this trait could exist and I'm hoping we get a glimpse of it in Alien: Covenant, do you?

86 Responses to Will Alien: Covenant introduce Xenomorph Egg Morphing?

Aorta

FacehuggerMember316 XPJun-09-2016 11:45 AM

Consider again the context of terrorism. 

If you look at the MORB as a punishment rather than simply a means of murder (this presupposes the MORB biology was manipulated or outright engineered for use as a weapon) then the natural pathways of reproduction can be subverted to achieve something worse than extinction, that being torture.

In this context something like Egg morphing becomes an act of aggression, an expression of hostile aesthetics. Insult to injury, the enemy forcibly transformed into the engine of it's own destruction.

Egg morphing to produce a Queen would hold as the Queen would now produce eggs genetically tailored to its victims. It does seem likely that the biology adapts to its environment via the life cycle process.

BMacReady

OvomorphMember51 XPFeb-27-2017 4:35 AM

I'm praying that Ridley puts in the eggmorphing! So much more horrific than dare I say even the ALIEN itself. AND, it's new and compelling territory to explore. Cameron's Queen was okay but this is Ridley's ALIEN and I do believe that both Giger (if he were alive now) and Ridley would want the eggmorphing included. I believe he would not have put it in the Director's cut of ALIEN had he not felt that strongly about it. I also remember Danny McBride or Michael Fassbender saying that ALIEN: COVENANT is a straight up horror flick! This is supposed to lead into ALIEN, not ALIENS. 

"Sometimes to create, one must first destroy." 

MJD

OvomorphMember72 XPFeb-27-2017 7:02 AM

would be awesome if they could manage to take the best of the life cycle of all alien movies including prometheus to show in covenant something beautiful and scary alike. I mean they can go back to the proto aliens and some new aliens while holding up for the one we all love and know to pop up last act of covenant movie. Then the alien can morph someone into an egg, which is what happened in the original. They needed the alien to morph someone. I am quite curious how it all plays out. Because we see the facehugger scene, if could be a human egg or a queen egg. They have the right in the world to contribute everything :-) i know how i would do it :-)

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPFeb-27-2017 3:10 PM

Nice to revisit a old Topic and i am not sure if i covered this before?

But i think in some way yes something similar has to be introduced, and Sacrifice is a theme and i would think it would be cool if they went with how when its a Xenos time to check out they donate their body to the greater good and they use their body to be broken down so its Genetic Material can form to make the hives,  maybe they also use Hosts Genetic Material like this?

i made a Eggs and Cabbage post a while back, were a Cabbage can essentially die/rot away and from the decomposing material a new Cabbage would arise... well its better than that, you could rip up a Cabbage into 10 piles and it would decompose but then 10 Cabbages would sprout from its place. Basically Clone of themselves from dying decomposing remains.

So the Morphing of Genetic Material to form a Egg i think is something at least in some way is explored....

Organisms within the Echinoderm family  can replicate themselves in a similar fashion, it would be like a Human who gets their Arms cut off, and then these Arms will Regrow a Human and the Human who lost their Arms would regrow more Arms.

I would think this added to the Xenomorph would be interesting where they can use their bodies to decompose and then change into Eggs.

And also if they can do the same with Genetic Material of other Life it can infect... so like a Parasitic Virus

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 7:40 AM

I am a lover of the egg morphing concept and though some believe certain audience groups wont accept this as they r expecting the egg to come from a queen, I don't think ridley is going to be swayed by that. as seen in Prometheus, he isn't just going to take the audience by the hand and guide them through the movie as they expect. he has left lots of questions unanswered from Prometheus which doesn't sit well with a lot of people but I don't think that bothers him, its what he wanted after all as he is making more movies to answer these questions. his original concept was egg morphing and I think and hope he keeps that thought process. its more horrifying and he has said after it was announced he was revisiting the franchise that he was going to 'scare the f**k out of us'. also the introduction of the black goo shows its effects to be leaning towards morphing aspects and there would seem to be a connection between the goo and the xeno. saying that I def think there is room for both concepts in the alien universe. iv theorised before that all xenos could have the capacity of being a queen, it just depends on its environment, as they have shown themselves to be adaptable. on the nostromo, the original xeno was on a ship in the middle of space with a very limited number of hosts available so molting into a queen wouldn't serve much purpose. at hadleys hope, there was a much larger population and they were on a planetoid so there was more need for a greater number of eggs in a short space of time so a queen would be required for this? 

suwhited

FacehuggerMember355 XPFeb-28-2017 8:03 AM

I always thought that egg-morphing was more inline with the whole Alien movie concept. I thought the idea of a queen (like insects) churning out eggs like an assembly line was more mainstream in ideology and therefore more easily assimilated by an audience.

The idea of a human being being melted/transformed/morphing into an large alien egg (with a alien creature inside) makes one kind of uncomfortable. Someone mentioned up here already about the possibility of the alien creature/egg maintaining some sentience of its previous life--Now that can make you squeamish.

Imagine you are thinking about working your golf game, but instead you are immobile, looking like "Farm-Pride's Grade AAA best" with a face-hugger floating around inside of you...

An Alien concept deserves alien physiology, morphology, landscapes, and processes different to what we are used to.

I really hope they bring it front and center...Bring on the egg morphers! 

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 8:13 AM

someone even theorised that the egg and face hugger r 2 different creatures. the egg uses its root like apendages to sustain the hugger and when a possible host ventures too close it opens up, transferring the rest of its energy to the hugger.

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-28-2017 11:57 AM

"on the nostromo, the original xeno was on a ship in the middle of space with a very limited number of hosts available so molting into a queen wouldn't serve much purpose. at hadleys hope, there was a much larger population and they were on a planetoid so there was more need for a greater number of eggs in a short space of time so a queen would be required for this? "

Queens continue laying eggs regardless of the number of available hosts, as evidenced at Hadley.  If the Nostromo creature could've changed in to a Queen it could've laid a tonne of eggs to be taken back to Earth.

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 1:43 PM

nah

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-28-2017 1:54 PM

yeh

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 2:08 PM

hhhhmmmm

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 2:08 PM

nah

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPFeb-28-2017 2:30 PM

LOL

Yeah i have to agree with SM

I think a Queen will lay any number of Eggs regardless of where it was, i think what limits the Queen would be the space to work with.

So if a Queen got on the Nostromo and killed Ripley before she could Self Destruct the ship i would assume it would lay a large amount of Eggs but it would be limited to Space it has to lay them.

I think the other theory could hold a bit of weight, if we maybe consider that WHAT IF... the Process needs Genetic Material from a Host to allow it to lay Eggs and then maybe the number of Hosts obtained for this purpose would determine the number of Eggs laid... but this is purely a speculation and not to be considered factual.

I hope they do show us the Egg Morph and maybe how it links to the Xenomorph and Queen... is there a connection?  Would it finally show us that a Egg Morph leads to a Queen?

Would the next TWO movies show us how the Eggs came to be, and if a Queen or Egg laying Organism is needed first or not?

I hope so.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 2:35 PM

lol

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 2:56 PM

its all fiction, requires an open mind but obv some r unable to have an open mind.

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-28-2017 3:43 PM

Keep on sniping there, champ!

"I think a Queen will lay any number of Eggs regardless of where it was, i think what limits the Queen would be the space to work with."

There was a bit in Rex Pickett's Alien3 script that had a close up on Ripley's bioscan that showed "thousands upon thousands of microscopic eggs". I like that idea since it infers that, like human women, Queens are born with every egg they're ever going to lay.

ali81

NeomorphMember1823 XPFeb-28-2017 3:46 PM

will do

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPFeb-28-2017 4:52 PM

Looking at the leak images from new trailer..

I would say very possible...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

airshaft_surprise

FacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-28-2017 5:08 PM

Yeah, i hope it is in Covenant, imagine David giving a run down on the morphing process - "And here i have one that has been maturing most promisingly, you can't run as you see i have secured you to the wall with the life forms excreta ", aaaaaagh.

 

Starlogger

ChestbursterMember907 XPFeb-28-2017 5:16 PM

Sorry, but I'm just not a whole "Eggmorphing" fan. It's kinda like "Time Travel" in that it can just easily "cause" things to happen just to make a story progress. But, to each their own.

airshaft_surprise

FacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-28-2017 5:40 PM

@Starlogger, thats ok my friend, its an original script idea from the first alien story, it would be good just to see it once in the alien story time line.

IowaTech80

OvomorphMember11 XPMay-05-2017 2:40 AM

It would not be the first introduction of egg morphing.  I wa sjust watching the original Alien last night and I was watching for details of an Ancient liens nature and I don't know why I didn't notice before but when Dallas is cocooned there is another crew member, Brett, was almost completely morphed into an egg.

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPMay-06-2017 5:47 PM

Ridley wants to explore his original ideas and so i think down the line the Egg Morphing could indeed come back into it, as well as Xenomorphs who can masquerade as Humans (ET Phone Home) and the DE-canonization of the Queen cant be ruled out. 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPMay-06-2017 6:14 PM

For me, egg-morphing is the way to go, as it's an Unconventional repro process that appropriately fits to the title 'ALIEN'.

Cameron's 'queen', my views on that, him and his well-known disrespect of the ALIENverse are a matter of record. Bring in a queen and the only proper title then is 'MUNDANE', or 'ATTACK OF THE SLOBBERY AGGRO SPACE-ANTS FROM LV-426'.

That said...
I will be addressing egg-morphing in my works, and it won't be a little scene as in ALIEN. I have the opportunity to do something quite heavy with it, and intend to fully reveal the true, intrinsic horror of it. As so little is genuinely Known about it, I am being very careful and doing a fair bit of zoological and related research to fill in gaps via extrapolation.

Work is proceeding on ALIEN: Manticore, as working on that helps me stay sane as I await the release date here in Canada for ALIEN: Covenant. :D

 

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPMay-06-2017 6:28 PM

I think the Queen makes sense as far as Perfect Life form... but a failure as far as Perfect Bio-Weapon i have covered a few times to explain the Queen which at the most basic could be a Evolution and unintended Result.

I would not be surprised if Ridley Scott attempts to take Aliens away from Canon.

People had few Problems with Aliens... The Queen and Hive Mind made it more like Ants, the Xenomorph was easier to kill. and it lacked that 1979 Original Look.

Sadly if think those with such gripes wont find 2 out of 3 any bad but that 2 out of 3 are really bad.

I think Ridley Scott will disregard the Queen, i think he will show the Organisms to be more Bullet Proof, and have a Far Greater Growth Rate.

I also suspect we will be shown instead of Hive Mind, that they will in part become AI and can be Programed of sorts... and also they will evolve from Animalistic to well extremely Intelligent... what i mean is i wont rule out the Original ideas for Alien as far as how clever the Xenomorph is.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPMay-06-2017 6:49 PM

aside from some physical simarities, the critters in ALIENS weren't 'Aliens', more like cheap knock-offs to be used as fodder for automatic weapons.

In a cut scene they just kept mindlessly throwing themselves against two automated sentry guns, and that scene had more to do with the guns than the creatures.

I really hope R. Scott fully re-aligns the franchise to Original Canon, and de-canonizes ALIENS as that movie was made by a man who has nothing but a complete lack of respect for the ALIENverse.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

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