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Alien Covenant Loses Dr Elizabeth Shaw

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MemberDeaconJan-29-2016 4:01 PM

According to Bloody Disgusting alien-covenant-loses-dr-elizabeth-shaw

It gives no actual qoutes from Ridley, just says she is not going to be in the next movie.... 

More details and confirmation here Ridley-Scott-Noomi-Rapace-wont-be-in-Alien-Covenant

"When asked whether the Swedish beauty would reprise her role, Ridley declared ''no'' and added to the Daily Mail newspaper: ''We're still casting the main roles.''

Ridley has revealed that much of the sci-fi film's structure and plot - another prequel to his 1979 space horror classic 'Alien' - is laid out on ''very detailed storyboards''.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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AdminEngineerJan-29-2016 6:22 PM

Also check this out, she was asked by a reporter about her role in Prometheus 2, she seemed a bit annoyed by the question:

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MemberNeomorphJan-30-2016 6:27 AM

Her character wasn't that interesting so I am not very disappointed. I hope that they will get a new female lead.


MemberDeaconJan-30-2016 1:43 PM

Well first of all...  after i saw that Interview and i am usually good at reading people, it seems she is not letting onto any secrets but the signs in her face to me sugest she may not be completely out of the Movie.    We have to then consider her reaction and then look at Ridleys Interview Comments again..

He does not ONCE, say she is not in the Movie, all he said is she would not be joining them shooting in Sydney, this does not rule out that she may have already Shot some Scenes, or will be shooting some Scenes at a latter time, she has said she is in a Lot of Prep Work now.....  but for what?

Only other movie she is listed for is Amy Winehouse the movie, which shoots around same time as Alien: Covenant and so maybe Schedules clash? She also is looking for a break having worked on 3 back to back movies since 2nd part of 2015 (Rupture, Unlocked and What Happened to Monday). 

But the Smirk she had sugests she knows more than she is letting on which maybe means one of Two things...

1) She has already Shot some Scenes that would be apearing in Alien: Covenant.

2) She is Scheduled to Shoot some Scenes latter in the year after Alien: Covenant has wrapped up Production.

While there is always the possibility that she will appear in the next movie after Alien: Covenant, but we have to consider a few things.... The synopsis does not include her, but Ridley had said she would play a minor part in the next movie and now its a U-Turn?  But then all he said is she would not be joinging the Cast that they are casting as of now to join shooting in Sydney and New South Wales when shooting begins in April.


R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconJan-30-2016 1:44 PM

So we are left with 4 possible scenarios these are just my Assumption and so not Fact.

A) Shaw will not play a part at all in the next movie, and we shall not see her in other movies (leaving what happened from when she collected Davids Body and Head and set off to find a Engineer Ship, and then departing LV-223 to what happened after this event to teh 10 years later when the Covenant find David on his own, totally uncovered or unanswered)  This in itself is very odd move consider the premise for the sequel was David and Shaw and she would have played a big part in what happens when they discover any remaining Engineers...  Surely they cant go and never explain what happened to Shaw...

Unless its the killer her off like they did with Newt and Hicks in Alien 3 route? This is a waste as we was just starting to witness a interesting dynamic between Shaw and David.

B) Shaw will appear in the next movie maybe Alien: Paradise Lost? well the sequel to Alien: Covenant, if maybe parts of this movie are set before the events of Alien: Covenant.... i mean is David going to find the place of the Engineers and find nothing... just the left overs of a disaster and no answers... so it would be like Prometheus turning up on LV-223 and finding not a single alive Engineer....

But then how does the Space Jockey fit in? And the Engineers being behind the creation of the Xenomorph or Biology at very least how are they going to cover this without showing us any at all.... So maybe the sequel to Alien Covenant would be set in someway (Scenes) before the events of Alien: Covenant and somewhat explain what happened to David and his findings or what he has been upto in the 10 years since Prometheus to Covenant.

C) Same as above, but we shall get some small Scenes of Shaw and David, that would then lead us to cover these in larger detail in the next movie.

D) We shall see some scenes of Shaw in Alien Covenant but these would merely explain why she is to not appear in the Franchise... i.e she is dead or what ever other explanation.

A big thing to remember is Noomis Age she was 31 when she shot Prometheus, she is now 36 and while she can with make up and right lighting look younger than 36 and pass off as being same age as when she shot Prometheus (lets not forget she is shooting Amy Winehouse who was 27 when she died, so Rappace would have been cast to pass off as a 27 year old Winehouse who looked older in her later days due to her problems).

However... the Schedule of the Franchise is as follows... Alien: Covenant 2016 shooting, late 2017 release, then a Alien 5 would no doubt be back on track next... unless Ridley has another change of plan again.... which means if the sequel to Alien: Covenant is to feature Shaw then if this movie is not shot before 5 years time, then Rappace would be 10 years older than she was in Prometheus....  maybe the time difference can explain this but we have to assume the purpose of Cryo Sleep is so you do not age much...

So they could face the same Problem with Alien 5 and Sigourney Weaver, and how it makes sense to shoot Blomkamps Alien 5 next after Covenant rather than wait how long until after Ridley has finished with the Alien Prequels....

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberOvomorphJan-30-2016 2:06 PM

Also, don't forget that Netflick and Marvel have caused an industry-wide trend towards long-form serialized binge-watching and shared-universe stories.  Fox and Company want Alien/Predator/Prometheus to become a shared-universe.  And the original three-sequal commitment to a Prometheus arc suggests that Fox bought into a 10 hour production block.  About the same as a season of television.  

So it's very likely that this is just shuffling production around.  Naomi is probably still on set, filming scenes, according to contract, and responsible for leading an hour of screen time.  But Scott and the production studios have the luxury of editing things around as they wish.  The B-roll is still there, waiting to be edited into the long-form story.  It will just be used in a flashback instead of a chronological order.  

Or maybe David is fine on the paradise planet, and Shaw is just sitting in cryosleep while he's bored to death.  There's lots of ways they can bring Shaw's character back in subsequent movies.   


MemberDeaconJan-30-2016 2:43 PM

Indeed.... i have covered this a lot, but i think it made sense to capitalize on the anticipation for Blomkamps Alien 5, sad as it may be majority of fans seemed more interested in Blomkamps ideas for a movie that bring back the Xenos and Engineer Tech from a Captured Engineer Juggernaught, rather than Shaw wanting to go and see the Engineers and ask why we was created and then set to be destroyed and maybe touch upon these Engineers who created life all over the Galaxy and ties to Gods/Angels etc...

They want to get Prometheus Franchise sorted.... but if interest is not doing to well on the ideas, and anticipation rife for Alien 5.....  we have to look at Ridleys plans...  if they had planned 2 more movies that would eventually give us the Answers but maybe not in a Xeno Fest Spoon Fed way... and instead cover the Engineers and why they create life, who created them and the whole Agenda....  then after these 2 movies they bring out Alien 5.

What if Prometheus 2 did not cover the Xeno enough, and fans was not interested and want answers, then they would have to spoon feed them for a 3rd movie... then we get to Alien 5 in which time Sigourney Weaver will be even more older if she has to wait for 2 Prometheus movies first....   and what if by then the Interest in a Alien movie is lost?

It makes more sense to bridge the gap with a new Movie that would cover the Xeno connections more, than Engineers, and thus show the seeds to the Xenomorph and Engineer connections... so that then  they can capitalize on Alien 5 while Sigourney is getting older, so sooner rather than latter...

A Alien Prequel that will cover the Xeno, that will cover reasons for why Paradise and Engineer Technology and Biology they created is connected.. a more Xeno-fest Prequel that then covers tricky origin Questions and connections to Engineers Tech/Bio-Weapons  that then allows Alien 5 to expand upon these without spoiling the Xeno Origins had Alien 5 came out first.

Would then take advantage of the fans anticipation and maybe engage them more to ponder in more detail the Engineers role in such a Bio-Weapon for a Sequel to Covenant that can cover the Engineers and Xeno a bit more and explore Engineer Agenda and Culture... and finally set up a 3rd movie that would then go and show the Space Jockey Story.. and cover up lose ends...

It then allow the Xeno  Origin to be answered and Space Jockey Story and then losely cover the Engineers and connection to Earth and Mankind... which allows Alien, 6 and 7 and what ever to touch upon the Xeno, maybe introduce newer kinds based on Engineers Biology and Technology and maybe even introduce them to Alien Franchise at a later date.

Then leave the door open to explore another universe based on the Engineers, as far as other Galaxies or far sides of the Galaxy and what else they had created that is unrelated to Earth or our part of the Galaxy.

This makes perfect sense....  they wanted to explore a Alien Prequel to cover the Space Jockey Race more than the Xeno Bio-Weapon and this has not gone down well as fans in general want the Xeno Answers, why how and when, and the Space Jockey is second to that and then they seem to not care much about who the Space Jockey are... maybe as they are disapointed by how Prometheus covered this..

But by giving them their Xeno.... and Answers, and introduce and connect the Engineers in a more sinster and less Gods role, could get fans interested in finding out more about these Engineers which then down the line they can then go the Ancient Gods route... once the fans have their Spoon Fed Xeno and Space Jockey answers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphJan-31-2016 2:07 AM

If it is true what is said about getting into Paradise as "being like putting a camel through the eye of the needle", I can imagine why we can not journey with Shaw.  Not to say there won't be a future role in another movie or a cameo to tease us further to the big question of WTF.  I finding it more interesting that colonist terraforms end up at a world terrorformed by ?  Then there's the BIG speculation to DAVidS being on the hellish planet. I don't take this as a negative, but maybe a complement to Shaws search of a cliff hanger ending in Prometheus.  It's all just part of Ridleys creative process as an artist and director.   There still is another movie planned in the works plus Alien 5... my heart and mind are like ripping at the event horizon of vaccum sucking anticipation / confusion wormhole that Shaw found inside the tardis of the Juggernaut


MemberNeomorphFeb-02-2016 2:10 PM

Ruhaniya: I really like that picture, it looks like something that HR Giger could have done.



MemberDeaconFeb-02-2016 2:32 PM

It really is a Giger Painting ;)  one of his many Landscapes, and i would love to see  this kind of Bio-Tech shown in future movies.... 

Either the Engineers posess this, or some other race does and Engineers Stole it from them, or re-engineered it it..... like The Borg going around and trying to use and re-engineer Technologies to Evolve themselves.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberDeaconFeb-02-2016 2:32 PM

It really is a Giger Painting ;)  one of his many Landscapes, and i would love to see  this kind of Bio-Tech shown in future movies.... 

Either the Engineers posess this, or some other race does and Engineers Stole it from them, or re-engineered it it..... like The Borg going around and trying to use and re-engineer Technologies to Evolve themselves.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


MemberXenomorphFeb-02-2016 2:38 PM

Has there been any 
confirmation that
Ridley intends to shoot
all 3/4 films at the same
time like Cameron is
doing with Avatar ??

Could it be that Noomi
will be joining them 
later for shooting parts
of P3 and P4 ??


MemberXenomorphFeb-02-2016 2:40 PM

Will all the movies be shot  here at these studios in Oz ??


MemberDeaconFeb-02-2016 3:46 PM

I appears yes the movies will be shot for the most part their but we can only Garuntee the next movie would do.. but i am sure that they haved signed to use the Studio in Sydney for more than one Project.

As for Rappace... the Full Comments was in regards to will Rappace be joinging up for shooting in Sydney in which Ridley said NO!  this does not rule her out of already doing Scenes... or doing scenes later that are not shot in Sidney.....   in a Interview Rappace seemed to want to dodge such Questions but the look on her face implies she knows whats going on and maybe she has a role to play... but this could be in the next movie after.

As far as shooting the movies..... well Alien: Covenant is pushed back to April Shooting Date and October 2017 Release so the Release date is 5 Months later than first planned with shooting 1-3 months latter... as Originally we had January and March Shooting dates... But Fassbender confirmed he was due to shoot in February.

Ridley has said the between Prometheus and Alien there will be 2-3 new movies... we have to consider how important these movies are to Ridley, because he will not be directing Blade Runner 2 or Alien 5 but will play a role in Production....   Looking at Ridleys age... i am sure he wants to be around when they Finally Finish the Franchise.... and so i think its Logical to Assume they wish to release the next few movies in a short space of time.

Maybe as with Star Wars EP 2-3 and Staw Wars EP-7-8 but i am not sure as fast as the Hobit and Matrix last 2 parts.

If the movie Franchise has as big a gap as the previous Alien Franchise  (Alien-Alien R) then ignoring Alien 5 from this.... we would have to wait until 2027 for them to Complete the Prequel Franchise.... i would assume they wolud want to have it done in 6 years and not 10

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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