Alien: Covenant

Engineer Writing

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The First Child

OvomorphMember15 XPJun-22-2014 1:42 AM

Hello everyone,

I wanted to know if anyone was able to translate some of the engineer writing from the  temple. I know there is an alphabet on the Prometheus special edition, however it seems incomplete and I am unable to translate anything from the film. The art book also said that the language/writing was a combination of ancient Persian and a pre-Sumerian Middle Eastern Language. Some of the writing that I would like the translation to are:

-The writing scrolled around the deacon altar.

-The writing on the door where the engineers were killed.

-The writing on the device David activates in order to open the ampule room.

-The writing on the ampule.

-The writing on the ampule room head.

If someone could find the translation to at least one of these, it would be amazing. Thank you all for reading my post.

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BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPJun-22-2014 6:24 AM

Take this with a pinch of Salt and i cant remember where i heard it now, but the one on one of the Doors to the Big Head Room  is supposed to be a translation of the Bibles  Leviticus 22:3

 

Dont tke that as Gospel though lol

The thing with Bible Qoutes is that there are many versions and translations of the Bible, and each differs.

i wont put down what the Bible says exactly as there are many translations.

In nutshell each is saying about that any descendants/future generations that approaches the Holy Gift, who are unclean will be cut off from the Lord/in his presence.

There are other parts of the Bible that connect to leviticus 22 3

Numbers 19:13
If they fail to purify themselves after touching a human corpse, they defile the LORD's tabernacle. They must be cut off from Israel. Because the water of cleansing has not been sprinkled on them, they are unclean; their uncleanness remains on them.

Leviticus 7:20
But if anyone who is unclean eats any meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD, they must be cut off from their people.

Leviticus 7:21
Anyone who touches something unclean--whether human uncleanness or an unclean animal or any unclean creature that moves along the ground --and then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD must be cut off from their people.'"

Here is  Leviticus 23:4

What man soever of the seed of Aaron is a leper, or hath a running issue; he shall not eat of the holy things, until he be clean. And whoso toucheth any thing that is unclean by the dead, or a man whose seed goeth from him;

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Now none of this is fact, so just speculation and if indeed the Translation on the Door is connected to Leviticus 23:3 which untill we get someone who can translate it or some one who actually worked on the actual Door for the production team, we can not be certain.

 

But if we assume it is the case and we then try and fit those Bible Qoutes to the Ampule Room we can make some connections.

It mentions unclean, and gift and the gift as a food, and also a cleansing water, and any who is touched by it who are unclean will be cut off from the Lord.

Maybe this is a warning to say that the Sacreficial Substance is from God and it is meant for only the Engineers to use so that they can seed life, and that if this gift is used by unclean (none Engineers) then it has great consequences.

The Head Statue shows us the Sacrificial Engineer and his Sacrifice if it does not then it has to be God, (which some of the crew made comment about the Statue, is that God!)

Here is from LV 7:21

"or any unclean creature that moves along the ground --and then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD"

kind of fits in with teh Worms and Black Goo...

 

But we cant use that as fact as well we can take anything in life and even movies and attach Bible Scripture to fit in with it.

 

So as far as a True Answer.... i am not sure but i would assume the Doors and other things will revolve around the Black Goo, Its purpose or a Warningt to its use and also some how connection to Sacrifice and God.

 

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ruhaniya

OvomorphMember13 XPJun-22-2014 10:17 AM

Rrright!?

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPJun-22-2014 12:29 PM

I would certainly think David has some knowledge of what is written and he does not devulge that to the crew.  So i think Davids Agenda would be to hide things from them in this movie.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

The First Child

OvomorphMember15 XPJun-22-2014 12:49 PM

BigDave- I know this sounds strange, but it seems that this is a bit similiar to an idea brought up in the film DOOM. In this film people who were given the 24th chromosome either turned into super humans, or became monsters. In prometheus, the ampules seem to either turn its host into xenomorphs, or disintegrate them. 

Also was holloway disintegrating after being infected, or turning into a xenomorph?

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPJun-22-2014 5:36 PM

That brings us to the burning Question about the Goo, and well they made it not clear and then released a file to explain it that well made it even more confusing. We cant use that file as the answers as it says in it that translation of date is low percentage.

I think the biggest thing to look at is how it effected the Sacrifical Engineer, he consumed a large dose and we basically saw his Genetic Material get torn apart as we see a black substance rushing through his body but this black substance could simply be his genetic material being broken down... We see the Engineer gets broken down and large parts of him fall into the Water Fall and well we see these parts either start to reform and become the building blocks for life and thus starts Evolution or that the material that is broken down and carried by the goo contains Engineer DNA that is then passed onto basic life forms in the water and thus starts Evolution.

Spaights idea of Bugs applies this principle, maybe this means Goo + Engineers  = broken down DNA, but then its what became of the Engineers on LV 223 did they all who was contaminated start to break down, was they all going to just become nothing but dust or liquid containing their DNA?  Maybe as maybe the Suits exploded due to the chemical reaction that occurs during the breaking down, so bit like a mint in a cola bottle, a reaction occurs between mint and cola and then the reaction will escape from what ever weakest point of the bottle is via exploding.

We can not be sure what happens to Engineers who merly get the stuff on their skin....

A big problem is if the Goo has Xeno traits then why did Man not evolve to carry such things when we just carry Engineer DNA....

Maybe the Xeno element can only occur when the substance is not consumed?  However Holoway had consumed some and we are led to believe via his infection he some how passed on some genetic material that was infected or infected Shaws Ovaries and Eggs causing a Mutation and the Baby Trillobite. 

Which basically was the closet we saw to a Xeno as it was similar to a Face Huger and did same task and led to the Deacon.

So yes we dont know for sure the 100% connection and answers with he Goo but i will try touch upon it next post and the Ampule Room.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPJun-22-2014 5:47 PM

so right and sorry if this is off topic...

We assume the Sacrifice Scene is what starts Evolution, if that is the case then this process if carried on on Earth would had been Millions of years ago...  well actually most likely a Billion to 2 BL Years ago....

The Engineers died on LV 223, 2000 years ago so the Temple and Outpost on LV 223 was older than 2000 years, we have to say ,much older... The Oldest Evidence that Shaw and Holloway found of depictions of these Ancient beings who visted us was the Cave Painting 35000 years old.

So maybe the LV 223 outpost could have been inhabited and built as early as 35000 years ago or maybe many more years before that.. But we can assume its not as old as the Sacrificial Scene...

Note Engineers and the Ship lacked any Giger Bio Mech look, and the Goo did not bring about Xeno related Organisms....

LV 223 Engineers have that Bio Mech Look, the LV 223 outpost is not far from LV 426 and so there is a connection between the Xeno/Engineers/Goo and the Engineers Bio Tech.

My theory was at some point in time a fraction of, or maybe all the Engineers used the Gift (Goo) on some other lifeform or organism and that the results of this led to them to possess the Bio Tech but also created the Xeno or if not was created from the Xeno.

some of the Leviticus 22:3 references and related could be linked to such a thing as using the Gift for other methods than intended on unclean Organism.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Redant

OvomorphMember5 XPJun-23-2014 3:46 PM

@BigDave

That was a brilliant explanation as to what is happening with to the engineers as they sacrificially use the black goo.

Explicitly you stated that in Leviticus 22:3 they “the chosen ones” are brought onto Gods’ judgment, all others are cut from it and discarded.

I think this explanation could be accurate with a “high” degree of probability.

Unfortunately I think Ridley is challenging us in the beginning of the movie with the Engineer.

Ridley could be telling us that what the engineer is really doing is also sacrificially cutting himself off and that ultimately there is never really a meeting of any kind with God that would be transcendental or otherwise. Ridley is telling us through the personification of this movie that as in real life there is nothing but an ultimate void after life. In turning back to the thing which ultimately creates us we too are cut off but become the building blocks again of all other things.

It is the end results of the intentions of the individual or individuals that create evil or purity.

Perhaps the real reason the engineers want to come back to earth and kill us is because the human race “turns evil”. When they created us the engineers had hoped to create purity by creating us. Instead their creation turned evil and hence the need to return to earth as cosmic farmers and cut us off from the garden of life.

Ridley could be telling us that as a race grows more technologically advanced there is little distinction between them and the notion of God. For what is life? If one has the power to create life in all of its’ diversity then are they not by definition God. Think about the title of the movie again and again. Prometheus gave us fire and for this he was punished for eternity. Fire could mean the sun. A star produces everything that we know of in the solar system. A star produces all the elements necessary to seed a world with all the building blocks of life to make sentient beings and in time we would learn to control that fire and make more.

We would make stars that in turn would have planets around them and seed them with the building blocks of life eternal.

Prometheus gave us fire but in giving us fire is he also giving us the chance of “Purity”?. Fire is also light! It can consume and destroy. It can also illuminate the divine path.

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPJun-24-2014 8:12 AM

I dont think Ridley out anything into the movie as a Red Herring, i think he puts certain things to explain the connection with the Engineers and their Agenda, ok some things will be hints to take a certain path without actually being the exact thing thats being shown.

For example the 2000 years ago mission, this is not there as a Red Herring there must have been something that was going on 2000 years ago that upset the Engineers, yes the Jesus angle. But its not trying to say hey Jesus was a Engineer, nope it is however showing that Mankind had been advancing and behaving in ways the Engineers was not impressed with.

There are many things in the movie like this that are there for a connection, only it is vague with many. And by Hints well i could go on and on and on, and a lot of them are not all visual, what the Chracters are saying gives us clues... For example Janeks references to a Weapons Facility and the mission he had to do by Nuke a Facility on Earth because some Scientist got  clumbsy and split something, which must have been something very bad for a order to completely wipe out the entire Facility  and all People there in.

This comment basically tells us the Engineers did the same, Shaws comments with it was a outbreak, and even the comment made by Milburn about the Head Statue... is that God.  They are all there for a reason.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10333 XPJun-24-2014 8:19 AM

We will have to wait if someone can actually translate them, it would be helpful if someone from the Production team  cast some light on it. But maybe they cant.

Oh so yes as i was saying in the post above, everything is there for a reason, The Ancient Cultures depicting Giant Biengs and Star Map,  the very Prometheus Title, and the TED Talk.

They are talking about the gift of fire but this does not have to be the actual Prometheus gift of fire, it could be symbolic to some one/race that has taken and used a forbiden fire/gift and used it for ways that was not itended and this does not have to be Manking being given anything...

The Fire could be our creation,  thus the Engineers or a Faction created us with the Gift/Fire without the consent of the Hiarachy or Engineers/Elders God.... Or it could be that a fraction of the Engineers used thise Fire/Gift for purposes it was not intended for and this purpose has something to do with the Creation of the Xeno or related Organism or Experiiment on such a Organism using the Gift/Fire which is the Goo.

I think one of those could be the Prometheus Fire Element.

I do think maybe some Engineer Faction had maybe rebelled and wanted to create and worship something new.

Could some of the Engineer Writtings actually unlock clues to any of the above? If we knew what they said or what the Production Team Intended them to be i would say so.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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