Alien: Covenant

Technological Singularity, David, and the God of the Engineers

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Nofacewilly

OvomorphMember43 XPOct-02-2013 9:16 PMDid anyone else see the god like statue of an engineer head and immediately think about David and what it could mean? "The technological singularity, or simply the singularity, is a theoretical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence that will "radically change human civilization, and perhaps even human nature itself". What are the limits of artificial intelligence?What is the limit of artificial intelligence in terms of power? Well, any machine on the largest scale we can think of can be powered by an artificial intelligence. So what is to stop him from living forever and becoming a God. What if on the next in prometheus, David modifies himself to be even more powerful after attaching his own head using some of the engineer technology. "Big things have small beginnings" What if he was referring to himself!
33 Responses to Technological Singularity, David, and the God of the Engineers

Svanya

PraetorianAdmin4319 XPOct-02-2013 9:21 PM[i]What if on the next in prometheus, David modifies himself to be even more powerful after attaching his own head using some of the engineer [/i] That is a terrifying thought...

pulserifle187

OvomorphMember28 XPOct-03-2013 6:40 AMI love reading the posts on this site....its actually more interesting and entertaining than the movie lol. That is a good theory. I found watching the movie that davids ideas and thoughts were the most correct. I think that pretty much everyone else was wrong. I think that david can all ready see that potential of the engineers technology and what can be achieved. David certainly has his own agenda.
"how do you feel?"-" great, next stupid question"

Necronom 4

NeomorphMember1566 XPOct-03-2013 6:54 AM@Nofacewilly, I like the way you think! This is my opinion on the subject: [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/22242]A ROBOT GOD[/url]

The poster was good though!

 

oduodu

XenomorphMember1221 XPOct-03-2013 1:25 PMOp What was the purpouse of the xenos ? Only something that is immortal can give immortality . Will there be an immortal being revealed in orometheus 2 ? You have to solve the problem of uninterrupted souirce of energy as well as being in a state where nothing can reach you physically as in totally impregnable with no time constrains.

Anunnaki50

OvomorphMember1 XPOct-03-2013 10:38 PMMaybe David wont become a "god" so to speak. I am thinking he is going to do some horrible things but definitely not immortality he already has it technically. He is a big part but not as big as most of you may think, hes really just a tool. To me its going to be alot more grandeur than some android with self-awareness. NO matrix crap, no hal9000 either. This is about the Engineers and what truly happened to them and the elders on Paradise.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Necronom 4

NeomorphMember1566 XPOct-04-2013 6:29 AM@Anunnaki, maybe we should just talk about the anunnaki and ancient astronaughts, or whatever you want to discuss? Lets change the name of it from Sci Fied to the anunnaki show.

The poster was good though!

 

Anunnaki50

OvomorphMember1 XPOct-04-2013 4:45 PM@Necronom4 this is not a personal attack even though you seem to be looking at ti that way. If you dont like hardcore debates than thats your issue but dont be such a condescending Anglo-Saxon helmet. Lets do because I'll I have seen so far about this series is thats exactly what Ridley is doing so I dont know where you get your ideas other than from older movies that have been done before. BTW the way you spell Astronauts is withought a "ght" at the end. You mad bro..??

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Necronom 4

NeomorphMember1566 XPOct-04-2013 5:17 PMI'm fine with "hardcore debates" mate. I think it's you that can't handle people having an opinion that differs from your own. You being patronizing and disrespectful to other members opinions seems to be a common occurrence. I thought that wasn't allowed on this site? Or have the rules changed?

The poster was good though!

 

Anunnaki50

OvomorphMember1 XPOct-04-2013 7:35 PMThen I apologize. I didnt mean to tear you a new one. I'm just stating my opinion about the matrix issue because thats the only thing I had an issue with. I am sorry if I came to you too bluntly but you gotta understand I was treated the same way when I first came to this forum especially when I brought up AVP. Why did you get so hurt because I shot you down? Listen I am an Amerindian and I personally dont like to be called a "mate", I dont mate with you.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Necronom 4

NeomorphMember1566 XPOct-04-2013 7:43 PMYou should be a comedian. I think It's really sad when someone has such an issue with an opinion or idea!

The poster was good though!

 

Anunnaki50

OvomorphMember1 XPOct-04-2013 7:46 PMButthurt boy.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Necronom 4

NeomorphMember1566 XPOct-04-2013 7:47 PMHaha see you're really funny. I'm in stiches laughin over here

The poster was good though!

 

Chris

EngineerAdmin21611 XPOct-04-2013 7:49 PMCome on guys. Annunaki - don't be throwing around insults man, it's not needed and contributes nothing to the discussion. It only pisses people off. Nec4, no need to get worked up. I'd like this topic to keep going and stay on track, so let's ditch the attitude and have a healthy discussion, yes?

Anunnaki50

OvomorphMember1 XPOct-04-2013 8:06 PMYes I'll stop.

The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno

Necronom 4

NeomorphMember1566 XPOct-05-2013 5:25 AM@Nofacewilly. Sorry for invading your thread with this silliness and going off topic! Hope it gets back on track soon!

The poster was good though!

 

Nofacewilly

OvomorphMember43 XPApr-03-2017 2:15 AM

Looks like the story became true

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-03-2017 2:30 AM

David upgrading himself using Engineer tech is a scary and intriguing idea. Unfortunately, he's also rather Genocidal...

He could easily approach the level of The Creators/Gods, given time, he could become shockingly powerful and intelligent. Being a machine to start with, it is easier for him to adapt and 'evolve/upgrade' in very short spans of time.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Starlogger

ChestbursterMember907 XPApr-03-2017 7:53 AM

@Blackwinter I agree. David basically is already "immortal" so to speak, however, all things wear out. Even intelligence circuitry. Damage from environs over time would have to cause irreparable issues, that David himself wouldn't even be aware of, I would think, so he's probably not as immortal as he likes to think.

We still aren't quite aware of his initial true "function"/programming, so that will have to reveal over time as well, but so far he simply seems to go by the "acquire knowledge/intel AT ALL/ANY (including human life) cost" mantra...but for what purpose?

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-03-2017 2:22 PM

Starlogger

Good points, but he's a machine, thus easy enough to transfer/copy his consciousness to a fresh brain-system and body. So 'effective immortality' relative to Humans, anyways.

True, we are inthe dark about his initial programming, perhaps answers will be coming along in Covenant, I hope.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Tiwaz

ChestbursterMember528 XPApr-03-2017 2:43 PM

Copying himself? But what would that the copy? It's still a copy and not David, therefore he is mortal.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Rick

XenomorphMember1261 XPApr-03-2017 3:06 PM

Tiwaz,

I think BWW was getting at that if David gets to the point of being unable to repair himself or his batteries are close to being diminshed he can copy/transfer his programming to another host/body.  Much like like the xeno's replicate/breed themselves.

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-03-2017 3:25 PM

Exactly!! His consciousness is software, he can move into a new body quite easily, indeed he might well build himself a new body based off Engineer tech and then move into that to Upgrade himself and his abilities in one sweeping move.

A consciousness is like a fire, and how many sticks (bodies) can a fire burn?

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Tiwaz

ChestbursterMember528 XPApr-03-2017 3:52 PM

First, i don' want to come across offensive or sthing.

What I mean is this:

- David copies himself (memory) onto David2

- Maybe D and D2 spend time together

- David "dies"

- David2 remains

Although having the same memories and mindset D2 is not D. Unless we add something like a wandering soul to the equation. That however is highly philosophical and leads to the question "What is a soul, does it exist and when does it come to be?". 

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-03-2017 4:01 PM

There's that process, or he could 'file-transfer-and-delete' as he goes, which would leave him as the only David.

BUT, he might see the appeal of having copies of himself around as the more brains available the higher and more powerful the 'computer network' which would be of use to him in studying, applying, working with Engineer science and technology.

The 'wandering soul' aspect...well, he's a machine, so it's really just a matter of file transfer equivalent.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Tiwaz

ChestbursterMember528 XPApr-03-2017 4:34 PM

Being an IT-technician and pondering bout it is quite fun. XD

I'd "agree" under these conditions:

- CPU/Memory (with or without body) is connected to the original the whole time, kinda like an extra organ. But both CPU/Ms must work as one system.

- The data isn't copied but moved (technical term, copying and erasing the original at once)

- After successfully moving the data the old systems are removed. The old CPU/Ms is the last thing to be removed.

This way it's like adding and removing parts from a running system.

Maybe im picky bout it but that's just me. ;)

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Rick

XenomorphMember1261 XPApr-03-2017 6:52 PM

Tiwaz,

Now we're kind of splitting hairs.  Since we're talking computer software there really isn't a "soul".  If I take my hard drive out of my computer running Win10 and put it in another computer with new mainboard, processor, ram, optical drive, etc.  (minus the hard drive) guess what.  Walla.....it's still my computer with Win10 (with driver updates) on it plus the upgrades.  This is in essence starting over with a new system since my old system can't run past the bios without the hard drive in it.

Tiwaz

ChestbursterMember528 XPApr-03-2017 9:07 PM

Of course it is splitting hairs. But can anyone of us tell what would happen? Neither of us has ever dealt with a true AI and likely none of us ever will.

And as for the "soul", like I said that is philosophical question. Since a soul can't be measured it's existence can't be proven nor disproven.

We humans or at least some are convinced to have a soul, spiritual essence or whatever they want call it.

On the other hand some of these people claim an AI doesn't have a soul.

But on what is this claim based? The fact that we're biological, our "windows" isn't based 0s and 1s? Some might even say a human also just a "machine", made of organic material, sure but still. 

I'm aware this might be provocative but I don't mean it to be inpolite or offensive.

It's just my point of view. 

 

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Blackwinter-witch

PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-03-2017 9:25 PM

Does the 'soul' exist? Hard to say, but some experiments have shown that almost immediately upon death, the bioelectromagnetic field around the brain doesn't dissipate, it undergoes a 'shift' and the nature of such coincides EXACTLY to Mathematically proven Alternate Realities.
SO...at least science has given us that bit of hope vs poof-gone-death.

But the way you describe above in 'Moving' software and such, yeah, if David does that, just to a new and improved body, well to him it's no more than the equal of us flesh-beings trading-up car-wise.

IN SPACE THERE IS NO WARNING

 

 

 

Parkerparrot

FacehuggerMember205 XPApr-04-2017 1:55 AM

@BWW

What about "We are Walter"... Do You think that will have a significance in the film? I mean, maybe David seeing walter as an abomination, a more "perfect" body than his, but a "lesser" being when it comes to programming? Walter beeing a organic(DNA-based?) synthetic?

              "Bees have hives, man" 

BigDave

DeaconMember10358 XPApr-04-2017 4:52 AM

These are points i have covered a number of times since we first got confirmation of the Prologue Scene with David and Weyland.

Fassbender quite some time ago pondered does David have a Soul and teased maybe he does.

A Soul is defined in a number of ways.

1) The Spiritual Part of a Being that is separate to the Psychical that goes on to a higher pane of existence when we die.

David could not possess this.

2) Emotional Awareness part of someone, which includes experiences and memories.

David could possess this.

3) A Selfless Act or kind/good nature of deed, such as a redeeming feature. 

David could go on to do this.

And so i have suspected for a some time now that potentially David 1 (2025) is the Prototype and Weylands Personnel Android and Son, and that with each new model so say David 2 Prototype the Experiences and Memories of David 1 are uploaded to the David 2 Prototype only, and then onto David 3 Prototype and so forth.

So that David 8 in Prometheus is again Weylands Personnel Prototype and has nearly 70 years worth of Memories and Experiences and this gives him his Soul.

When we look at DAVID 8

Then indeed he is very close to a Human and we are just like him apart from being Biological Machines.

The only thing that would differ would be the Spiritual Being/Soul which a Android would not be able to have...

But which they kind of could do if they could upload their consciousness into a Machine/Mainframe. Pretty much like we saw in the movie Transcendence

As far as if their is really such a thing as a SOUL

This is down to each persons personnel beliefs and we can not Prove or dis-prove such a thing exists

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