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OvomorphMember0 XPJun-03-2013 10:53 PMThe Aliens universe is a corrupt capitalist dystopia but there are still laws that can't be openly broken. So if Im a WY executive what the hell would be the benefit of catching an alien specimen anyway? a weapon? how effective would the aliens really be as a weapon. WY already has a wide array of nukes and extremely powerful destructive weapons that are easily more destructive than aliens and far more controllable, since WY cant even seem to capture a specimen for research much less use them as a weapon .... If i'm WY exec Im thinking Hell No, Not to mention the countless laws WY would be breaking (Border and Customs, Patent Office, EPA and PETA. In that approximate order. Border and Customs won't let a novel and obviously dangerous lifeform back onto Earth without extensive trials and a period of quarantine etc.) Medical research- not likely either WY is already showing signs of mastering human biology -how exactly would alien specimen help with human research. My opinion is: Alien Ash is operating of a change in protocol orders received from mother the central computer which is reacting to one of its Ash robots recording an encounter with a fascinating alien specimen. WY doesn't know about the alien or want the alien at this point. Aliens- Carter burke believes Ripley's story and is endeavoring for personal gain hoping to smuggle this exotic life form somewhere for profit Alien3- The specially trained WY team is there to retrieve the specimen, but Why risk it for all the above stated reasons. Not to mention all the expenses and lives capturing one has cost WY already. Again if Im a WY executive I'm saying hell no Alien Resurrection- it is clearly hubris as we see cloning, and cruel experimentation on the alien specimens.
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DenzelTH

OvomorphMember3 XPJun-05-2013 6:27 AMYes i dont think there is an enemy as worse as to use Xeno's unless the corp know of some other? Maybe the Engineers?? If someone was watching through the Prometheus's videos and seeing when David and Weyland got beats, they would sense the Engineers abilities and want to prepare if ever they came to Earth?? They dont know they're Engineers of Mankind,they'll just think he's some pumped up evil alien.
\\\" I Want To Go Where They Come From\\\"

BigDave

DeaconMember10178 XPJun-05-2013 7:34 AMBiological Weapons are the best kind, and that is all the Xeno is. The most powerful weapon we have is the Nuke, but all a Nuke is good for is destroying a area..... If we had Nukes like we do now in WW2 then Hitler could have caused mass Genocide with them. But imagine if he wanted to take over say Poland and England if you Nuked Say London with 5 big Nukes there would be nothing left and the Fall Out would mean you cant even have the land. Now if there was a created Epidemic that would cause a killer Flu that kills off 75% of the Population but you had a Vaccine for your own people well that would be the more ideal Weapon. It lives the infrastructure and land free to pillage. I know sounds off Topic but i guess similar idea in that they thought a Xeno would be more ideal instead of using Nukes and Troops.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10178 XPJun-05-2013 7:41 AMOh and our world governments are corrupt as well. Can you imagine if in the Ant Artic they came across a organism that acted like the Black Goo in that it mutated who ever came into contact with, if there was say a real either. 1) The Thing or similar 2) Black Prometheus Goo 3) Resident Evil T-Virus Can we be sure that our Governments would isolate the area it was found in and wipe it out? Some would try and take a specimen to study, feeling over confident in their own safe guards and protocols that they could contain and keep it safe from the public and a outbreak. Some Governments know how deadly a Nuke is and especially if they got in wrong hands or a rogue decided to use on on its own nation. But the Governments that have Nukes feel they have enough safety measures to make the risk of their own Nukes being misused down to near 0% well thats what they feel. The Governments or at least some would feel they could do the same with any rogue biological agent... We also have to remember Sci Fi is just fiction and they can propose and push boundaries that we would not allow in real life. Making the possibility for Governments to actually wish to obtain such things more plausible in the sense of for a movie.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Hades Infernal

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-05-2013 7:58 AMI hear they still have the BUBONIC PLAGUE kept in laboratorys for chemical warfare I thought it was wiped out back in the 1400s and then you hear cases of it popping up now http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175008/Man-narrowly-develops-BUBONIC-PLAGUE-narrowly-escapes-death-cat-bite.html

Beware the bearers of false gifts & their broken promises Much pain but still time There is good out there We oppose deception Conduit closing

BigDave

DeaconMember10178 XPJun-05-2013 8:41 AMYeah thats my point.... The Perfect Weapon would be one that would be a epidemic like the Flue or Ebolia some thing that can spread fast but then once it enters a persons body it only has a short half life from host to host, so it essentially has like a 72 hour period, what you get then is something that can kill a lot of people in short space but then after the infection starts within 3 days it dies out, and just in case it dont you also have a Vaccine for it. This would be the Perfect Weapon, where as common non bio warfare is only good for destruction, even non Nukes. We only have to look at the conflicts around the middle east and Syria to see the damage caused by conflict that has done permanent damage to many historical buildings etc. Something like the BUBONIC PLAGUE would wipe people out but not cause any damage to the infrastructure etc.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

oduodu

XenomorphMember1221 XPJun-05-2013 10:07 AMTo op Let's say you have a xenomorph . Let's say you have DNA substance that breaks down any life form m that ingests it .like at the start of prometheus . Now you take a xenomorph and make it drink it and it becomes a substance. That is probably what is inside the urns surounded by an amplification fluid. That's the black goo David gave to Holloway. Now Weyland Yutani has this black (after following up on the lv 223 mission). They find the eggs on lv 426 and by accident learn of xenomorps life cycle .after experimenting with the black goo they realize that the black goo is liquified xenomorph . So if I can backward engineer the black goo and remove the xenomorph part shouldn't I get the base liquid that the engineer drank at the start of the movie . If I have this original breakdown liquid what would I be able to learn form it and what would it tell me about engineer technology ???? I believe this the reason they wanted a xenomorph on earth.

Major Noob

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-05-2013 11:26 AMERXIPA- Consider too that really big corporations right now are pretty much a law unto themselves. Look at the Vatican. Or BP. Or any of the numerous banks that nearly took down the global economy. It's safe to assume that decades from now they will be the government, at least in all the ways that count. That would make a company like Weyland pretty much omnipotent.  I wonder if those urns are what we would ultimately come up with if trying to weaponize the MORB. Maybe those eggs were just lab materials for distillation7. Maybe the vehicle on LV426 was meant to be there, or it was on its way to dispose of them and something went wrong? Maybe they were in the process of eliminating the eggs from LV223, and the Derelicts actual destination was a black hole.

BigDave

DeaconMember10178 XPJun-05-2013 11:46 AM@oduodu Yes thats how i see the Goo in the Urns as broken down Xeno DNA via same processes used on the Sacrificial Engineer. Lindeloffs script shows that Davids Eye can zoom in on the substance he gets from the Urn to place in Holloways drink and his script describes it as being exactly the same as [b]WHAT[/b] happened to the Engineers Body after the Goo Disintegrated him. And thus it is not the substance his Script describes as a Cake Of Sticky Substance that he is able to pinch, this tells us that the original Lindeloff draft describes the Goo to be more of a solid that liquid, so kind of like a butter consistency perhaps? Off Course in the actual movie it appears as a thickish liquid that seems to melt once it is exposed to the atmosphere. As far as the Eggs go, well it appears that they was around before the Outbreak on LV 223. I would assume they was either trying to Re weaponize the Xeno, or that maybe their was a Deacon Organism they held in great regard and they was attempting to recreate this Organism by breaking down either it, or its Egg Off Spring to create the Deacon. But ultimately the only way to the Deacon was via Face Hugging, maybe they stumbled upon like in O'Bannons Script a Temple on another World and one Engineer got Face Hugged by a Squid, and this produced a Deacon, and the Deacon produced Eggs, and however they could only obtain via Eggs the Xeno and not a Deacon so they tried to use their life changing/creating Sacrificial Goo to try and create a Deacon that way and all they did was either mutated or exploded and other experiments via Face Huggers produced only Xenos. And in the end it took contamination of Holloway to Shaw to finally create a Organism (Trilobyte) that would go on to produce a Deacon and not a Xeno. Who knows?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

oduodu

XenomorphMember1221 XPJun-05-2013 1:11 PMBig Dave Hi there Well I assume that after Weyland 's company return to lv 223 they would very intensively go through every area on lv 223 working from data transmitted back to earth and finally rediscover the pyramids. Eventually the discover the ampules . They decide to test that once they got back to earth . But yutani somehow discover lv 426 emergency beacon also . They get to lv 426 before Weyland and discovers the eggs and by accident the xenomorph lifecycle. Weyland realising after going through same thing on lv 426 forces a hostile take over of Yutani but they re negotiate and merge. They compare notes and realize the obvious. Ampule and xenomorph are the same thing . But how do you get the xenomorph to liquid form ? From hyroglyphs on lv 426 analysed by many David 8's they begin to realize the the engineer war faction story . The true prize there fore is the breakdown liquid because it can tell them how the engineers better there genome . So if Weyland-Yutani now knows how to re engineer basic life form they can become like the engineers or at the very least they can become like the engineers without the elders restricting them . That's what caused them to rebel because they were never allowed to get the benefit of all the seeding. So humans could exponentially increase the speed of this process by using DNA computing that would allow Weyland-Yutani to create beings of super intelligence that could make them the masters of the universe . Finally transcends matter and becoming pure energy. That is why I believe the engineer in the cut scene who pages through the books were completely not allowed to now about female humans and human culture. They weren't allowed any pleasure as they were purely slaves for the betterment of the elders. They were only allowed to get acces to genome improvements when they were willing to sacrifice themselves . So the grouip of old engineers in the cut scene near the waterfall before the engineer sacrificed himself were using the best amongst themselves to please the elders . the elders would then help to heal the the old and sickly engineers in return. They were slaves . That's why I believe you hear evil laughter as the elders departs . They are laughing at the misery and slavery of the engineers. That is why they rebelled and war broke out . They Experimented and didn't know enough yet . In many ways they are still like children. And this is where true mystery lies as you asked before : was the goo there first or the xenomorph. I believe that breakdown liquid existed before the xenomorph . The xenomorph is a genetically engineered being mixed from millions of other species to form a superior killing machine . This came form the elders . As they have been at it for millions of years . The engineers were subject to the xenomorph because they knew the elders would it against them if they refused to obey . I think war broke out amongst the elders (a power struggle) and the engineers saw a gap and took it re weapons the xenomorph for there purpose after the accident at lv 426 when they were war with the still loyal engineer factions. The elders has completely disappeared . But would eventually return many thousands of years later . Let's say 5000 or 6000 years from now. Which explains why no one ever came to knock on LV 223's door . Well that's my theory for now . !!!!!

I nailed Ripley

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-05-2013 5:07 PMBig Dave likes Kevin Costner pics... his opinion should be taken with caution.

Kaiju Blue

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-05-2013 10:35 PMReverse engineering and Weaponry

Hades Infernal

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-06-2013 2:09 AM@ I nailed Ripley Ha Ha love it

Beware the bearers of false gifts & their broken promises Much pain but still time There is good out there We oppose deception Conduit closing

BigDave

DeaconMember10178 XPJun-06-2013 9:08 AM@@ I nailed Ripley Na i prefer Mel Gibson myself ;) @oduodu Nice theories and there is so much potential for the franchise as far as the route of the Engineers. The problem does come to not how they merge Weyland Yutani if they do so in future movies, but basically the whole LV 223/LV 426 situation as far as finding the signal etc. Because if we assume that some Company finds the Ampules then why would they be after the Xeno, with the Urns already providing a better Weapon. Unless its not the Weapon they are after, but the secret to why the Goo is able to mutate life. Maybe the Xenos are a missing peice of some puzzle, and that the Engineers had plans with the Goo but the stuff in the Urns was not providing what they wanted from it and the only way they could get what they really wanted was via the actual original Xeno Species, lets assume the Engineers wanted to for some bizare reason create Deacons and that by using the Goo to break down and pass on Xeno DNA like they did to pass on and seed Engineer DNA, simply did not end up in producing the desired end product and Hammerpedes, Mutated Fifields and a whole host of other possible outcomes simply did not and never achieves the Perfect Form of a Deacon or Xeno. And the only true way to that is via being Face Hugged. In this theory it is that purely by a series of Events from Holloway to Shaws Baby finally recreated something that could then create a Deacon the Engineers may had so longed for. Maybe Weyland/Yutani come to the same conclusion that the Goo just does not produce that uniform perfect organism the Xeno. If they do find LV 223 it would make sense that they latter decide to abandon the Urns and Destroy the Place, or that maybe someone was Heroic and knew the plans and dangers and Destroyed LV 223 pretty much like Ripley did to LV 426 at the end of Aliens. This would tie up any lose ends as to LV 223 in Aliens time line. But then maybe Shaw/David and Weyland/Yutani where not 100% sure what was on LV 426 and they found out at a latter date that that world indeed had the pure Organism that the Engineers maybe tried to recreate? They then proceed to send the Nostromo to get a specimen back (Well Ash would).

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Major Noob

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-06-2013 5:23 PMMaybe we got a first hand look at the functionality of weaponized Goo, the cycle being: exposure, gestation, warm orifice seeking Bioform, Morb. Could be the process is different depending on the life form. Maybe Holloway was the...well.. Facehugger. For want of a better term. The process becomes more efficient once it gets rolling.

baya

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-09-2013 4:07 PMAs any global, greedy and arrogant corporation, anybody first with new stuff would come up triumphs. They don't even have to think about weapons or anything sinister, even thou it looks like it and weapons and wars bring the most money. WY would be in possession of something that nobody has. Could experiment on it ( Alien Resurrection) and develop things nobody ever had or being in contact to. Looking how small pharmaceutical companies can rule the market owning rights to one pill, imagine how massive gain WY would have from developing anything from so much more advanced species, genetics, microbiology (or maybe nanotech) of the goo or anything else . Anything "unnatural" or alien found on billion dollars worth mission must be worth loads of money by being just examined.

Hades Infernal

OvomorphMember0 XPJun-10-2013 2:18 AMI'm pretty sure its not just the biological weapon factor but the healing regenerative properties and the long life the creatures exhibit that interests WY there seems to be a lot more than just a weapon

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