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A Robot God?

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Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphAug-16-2012 7:10 AM

I don't know if this as already been discust? But is it possible that an Android, like David and Ash, but in the Distant future, is the New God? In Prometheus, the Giant Head (god head), in the Ampule Chamber, reminds me of a Robot Head. Also, David seems to me, like he's at home, in the Temple! There seems to be alot more importance put on him than any other Character! Also, the reaccuring theme 'we all want our Parents to die' might have some connection to the Engineer Ripping off David's Head? He might remind the Engineer of his creator? The Eternal Reaccurance of the Same from 'Thus Spake Zarathustra' may have some connection to the Robot God Theory?

What happens now will happen again and what as happened before is happening now. Like Neo, in the Matrix, in this Time Cycle, in the distant Future, when Human Beings have become extinct? David's kind Rule the World, free from the constraints of their old Masters? They are free to experiment at will with an Alien Lifeform that their kind encountered back in 2093 AD. They want to bring back their old Masters maybe, for some reason? The Experiment with the Human DNA and the Alien DNA they now have in their Collection, creates the Engineers? The Engineers are programmed, not like Androids but like humans who have been Brain Washed, to Sacrifice themselves, in order to spread the Seed? Maybe it's a need that the Androids have to procreate, so they use their new creations (the Engineers) to do their work? This Seed Spreading would occure all over the Galaxy, maybe even the Universe? This as happened before, in the last Cycle, of the Eternal Reaccurance? And Maybe, when Shaw and Davids Head get to the Engineers Home World, they will Discover, long Dead Android Gods? Sounds a bit far fetched and Out There, i know, but just a thought. Who thinks that this theory could be Probable and who thinks it sounds a bit Dodgy??? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it!

The poster was good though!

 

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Indy John

MemberOvomorphJan-05-2013 11:53 PM
".. I think prometheus is so complicated .." This to sort out the casual thinkers and the viewers who really care about the questions/situations/events that are depicted in opur movie. I think this thread is great and should not disappear. We as humans worship technol;ogy so a Ropbot God doesn't seem too far fetched. The question is who created the robotic technology? To me in the endkess cycles of life and death of humans/earths/suns/universes.there is always going to be some residual from the past cycle./ The Robotic God is this residual. And this caught hold of humans in this time period(21st Century) and we will worship it til be discover the robotic God is us..our Id. We created our gods and now we keep searching because we want to destroy them. I mean, really, will we ever stop form looking at the extremes: magnifying everying to find the ultimate pixel(Then the question of what made the pixel will be asked) to the other extreme : how big is this..or other Universes. These activities are just there to divert human attention from the fundamantal question: What is this Curtain that that we call Universe and who/what is behind the Curtain!. Our movie is in a way trying to pull back curtain we call life and see the puppetmaster.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life

Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphJul-20-2013 6:45 AM
There were other concept designs for the giant head in the ampule chamber which were very robot like. In the book, 'Prometheus The art of the film,' the second image on page 110 looks very robotic! Also, on the same page, in the first image, behind the giant head, is the robotic face, in the same place as where the Giger Alien mural was in the film.

The poster was good though!

 

BigDave

MemberDeaconJul-22-2013 7:35 AM
Ridley has made comments to suggest that maybe God is a robotic type figure, so who knows. I always saw the Head Statue as a representation of the Sacrificial Engineers Sacrifice to create Mankind... And the Deacon Mural another depiction of another Sacrifice but they (Head Statue and Deacon Mural) must be connected for a purpose... It would be interesting to see where Ridley will go with the God that Shaw and David will find, and maybe the one behind the creation of the Elders may end up being something really outside of the box.... and yes maybe similar to what we see in Matrix.

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Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphMay-21-2016 9:34 AM

Maybe I'm not far off the mark with this theory after all. Will be interesting to find out! 

The poster was good though!

 

Chris

AdminEngineerMay-21-2016 10:30 AM

I'm glad you bumped this thread, you certainly could be on to something! Following my theory I hated yesterday, I think we're getting closer to what's actually going on with the Engineers and Humanity. Engineers are not beings created by the divine, but grown in a lab like David and other synthetics. It would make so much sense!

Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4

Chris

AdminEngineerMay-21-2016 10:38 AM

Oh man Necronom4, this topic just sparked an idea... creating a topic about it. It builds off your theory as well as the one I proposed.

Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4

Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphMay-21-2016 11:01 AM

Just want to apologise to those members who were confused about what I was trying to get across with this topic. I didn't do a very good job of explaining what I was getting at, so I'm sorry for that.

It would have been a lot more simple and made more sense if I would have just stuck to what I originally imagined. 

The best way to explain what I meant is as follows:

A race of beings much like us, somewhere else in the universe, created artificial life. Those androids eventually took over as the dominant force in that civilization (maybe the race that created them became extinct.)

Those artificial life forms then went on to create another race (the engineers/elders maybe.)

Then, the elders/engineers create mankind on planet Earth.

Mankind eventually becomes technologically minded and creates artificial intelligence.

Mankind eventually becomes extinct, or maybe there's some sort of Terminator type scenario.

David8's and Ash's descendants then create another race of organic life and the cycle starts all over again.

That is how I originally wanted to explain it. It really doesn't matter now anyway. It was just something I had on my mind at the time and it was good fun to have a discussion about it, even if it did become frustrating trying to explain what I meant lol.

Just wanted to clarify that, like when you make a spelling mistake and you feel the need to correct it.    

The poster was good though!

 

Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphMay-21-2016 11:05 AM

Sorry Chris, I spent such a long time writing that last post that I missed your reply. Thanks man! Really looking forward to reading it!

The poster was good though!

 

Michelle Johnston

MemberChestbursterMay-21-2016 11:29 AM

Thank you for bumping the original discussion. If you believe in a "mind over matter" world rather than "a matter over mind" world then the notion that the creator is involved in the supreme act of artistic creativity and that we are living inside that creative act then how we view the creator, a sentient machine, or a sentient being is almost unimportant. The mechanism by which we have been created is so extra ordinary and we see only a fragment of that truth that whether we recognise it as, a machine, or not a machine, is almost irrelevant.

I am sure in Ridley's mythos the notions of creators and seeding creative gardner's and destructive interfering destroyers and mankind's "later"growing relationship with them is less about is this a machine or is this a sentient being and more about how either reacts within the great creative endeavour that we have come into. At its heart the mythos dividing lines are about Creator/Creation their relationships and how they respond to each other (forbidden fruit etc etc), the deep moral and philosophical questions of those interrelationships rather than he is a machine or not. Define machine in terms of "God". 

What makes David interesting as a f…… robot, he is narrator, observer and tester he is also for the film makers ironically highly relatable. He has seen mankind and its foibles and has now seen the destroyers and their foibles and without a moral compass he is establishing what he is capable of within this paradigm. One thing he has is genuine felt curiosity, rather like a small child, its written over so many of his reactions, he wants to see what happens if you take element A and mix it with element B from an amoral perspective. If he is restrained, by Weyland, by Shaw, he probably sees that as a puzzle to resolve rather than a barrier.

So for me the morality of the story is where the distinctions are drawn, not this guys a robot this guys for real. They are all part of creation and if we believe in a mind over matter world the mind that created all would look much more like a powerful computer than anything else.   

A slight sub text of all this is we have moved into the notion that the engineers are potentially machines rather    than sentient biological beings. How do they procreate. Well given the elders, they were viewed as growing old in Prometheus. The reason for cutting the Elders from the opening scene does not seem to have been about denying there are elders, but more about artistic decisions in communicating a more general mystery.

Also taken together whether the Engineers are asexual or not, that does not necessarily mean they are robots. We meet the Engineer through a head it has DNA, David meets a whole one in cryo-staysis, he has a pulse, he  will later act as a host, its in the mural, and MR T sees him as suitable for incubation. He shows emotion in reaction Peter and David and behaves with a sentient's reactions I see Engineers as delegated powers with great responsibility who had a schism and destroyed themselves leaving behind matters which mankind would have to chew over. The ones above them include an extra ordinary mind and could be defined as a computer for us to understand their awe filled power and creativity.       

 

     

Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphMay-21-2016 11:47 AM

Thank you Michelle for that very well written reply.

What a twist in the whole Alien saga it would be if, not only we, but also the characters of the story became aware that they were in the presence of gods in the making and they had been all along. They had a hand in creating their own demise.

The poster was good though!

 

Aorta

MemberFacehuggerMay-21-2016 1:57 PM

I was reading this thread thinking 'wow, everyone is back!' and then realized it's four years old! :O

@N4-

What a great idea, a truly diabolical outcome and quite consonant with themes prevalent throughout the franchise. But I wish you hadn't thought of this, because it would be so great if it was true! So either it won't be true and I'll be disappointed or it will be true and I'll see it coming. So N4 you have personally ruined A:C for me. Thank you.

Necronom 4

MemberNeomorphMay-22-2016 12:47 AM

Haha sorry about that Aorta, that was never my intention. And thank you.

The poster was good though!

 

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