28 Responses to deacon screach = screach in tunnel before engineers start running
MVMNTOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 4:35 AM
There's also the elephantine sound the engineers omit when they perish at the doorway
ONE OF the doorways however. As Fifield and Milburn come across another with them all piled up.
[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8396]I thought a similar thing myself to this[/url], that the Deacon already existed - but we don't see it in the hologram as it is not a recognised entity for their system? It's a foreign body effectively.
oduoduXenomorphMember1221 XPJul-18-2012 4:50 AM
Yep I suspect it might be a( bigger sized?) deacon (if it was) because the last engineer looked back over his shoulder which makes me wonder if one deacon will be able to threaten 5 engineers with their elepantine suits on ? That's why I wonder maybe a bigger deacon or more than one or maybe a deacon able to spit the black goo on them just as the as they were leaving and the elephantine suits were being put on them by the pilot chair hud thing. Leaves me wondering why all of them were together in one ship wearing the elephantine suits. Maybe all ships trying to leave when one deacon spit goo on engineer when suit is closing and then other enginEers come to help ?
Very keen observation regarding holographic recording system not being able to pick up foreign lifeforms.
Commemts gentleman ?
MVMNTOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 5:13 AM
I"n kind, the engineer looking back - very well noted.
RickKOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:05 AM
Doesn't make any sense. The Deacon, I thought, was supposed to be a brand new creature created by combining the black goo with human dna, which resulted in the "trilobyte" birthed from Shaw which in turn impregnated the engineer. They made a pretty big deal about this... but... there it is - right on the wall. So it has to have existed at some point in the past. Unless it's revealed in the sequel that our encounter with the engineers and their black goo is not the first time humans have run into them. The engineers were surely running from soemthing.
CrabfartOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 6:31 AM
Unless thats a picture made from a 'vision' by an elder of the deacon :P !
EngineeringOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:06 AM
I really have no idea what was going on as far as what they were running from and all. One thing that's obvious is that they are infected with something that makes their heads explode ie the holes in the heads of the Engineer's in the pile and the explosion of the revived head.
I've always thought that they were running from a contaminated area or something but they do have suits on so you would think the ones who's heads exploded were contaminated before they put their suits on.
The screech is very interesting. Thanks for bringing it up, oduodu.
EngineeringOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:08 AM
As far as the mural on the wall in the art of the film book Aurthur Max says that that was the "Alien DNA" that Scott talked about the film having pre-release and that the mural was an homage to Giger. So it seems it's more of an old school xeno than a deacon.
Who knows for sure besides Scott though? None of us at this point.
oduoduXenomorphMember1221 XPJul-18-2012 7:29 AM
I see what u mean engineering. What would cause the black goo to physically make contact with the engineers ? Maybe an explosion of some kind ? I still believe that there was (or still is) another entity that placed the goo on the engineer. I can't see 5 engineers running away from xeno while wearing a suit. The other engineers were running away to stop being infected with the goo. Whatever followed them were going to infect them as well and where did they find the time to put on the suits? Maybe a xeno with an ampule ?
BiomechanicOvomorphMember36 XPJul-18-2012 7:37 AM
I am sure when the blue ray is released we will have plenty of analyzing to do. Might have to wait till then unless you got a good ear, tickets, time and a good memory.
Indy JohnOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:43 AM
"..I still believe that there was (or still is) another entity that placed the goo on the engineer.."
I am still honding onto this theory(just to show my mind that it can be right sometimes)..
Who or what they are afraid of,,is a curious point..
...a Sacrifical Engineer comes to mind...ready to destroy the current species by using 'goo' and begin anew.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
MVMNTOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:45 AM
Unless... the blackgoo > humans > cuddles > Engineer > Deacon process or similar happened the last time they visited earth?
That or it was very prophetic/approximate from the past - don't forget we only have an assumed image of Jesus
Maybe Prometheus was Xeno easter?
oduoduXenomorphMember1221 XPJul-18-2012 7:49 AM
Engineering I think you are right infection happened before they put on the suits and they were trying to get another ship. The thing that bothers me engineering is that david told shaw that they were about to leave when things went wrong. Why would the engineers on a ship wear suits when the only engineer to wear a suit is the one piloting the ship and the rest to be in stasis and therefore not wearing because they were in stasis. Or am I wrong about this. If they were wearing suits then the only one not wearing a suit at takeoff was the pilot which might explain why he was not waering a suit when the goo fell on him and the other engineers didn't get any on them. That is why the pilot engineer was last trailing behind the rest. Notice that when the engineers comes around at the start of the replay of the holographic recording there was engineer stumbling to his feet meaning he was infected. I'm not sure it was the same (last) engineer who stumbled at corner before turming right. If it is the same engineer stumbling both times then maybe my theory that was the pilot getting goo on him might carry some weight. I believe it is the same engineer because after he stumbled he was last in line ?
CypherOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 8:12 AM
I reckon the holographic representation at the end of the Engineers readying the ship happened BEFORE the tunnel sequence. It's the only way to explain why they were all calm in that recording and running like hell in the earlier scene. And I actually noticed the one looking backwards first viewing and was hoping to see something chasing it. More questions on questions. It's getting a little annoying to be honest.
"Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."
oduoduXenomorphMember1221 XPJul-18-2012 8:35 AM
I then assume that the holographic replay was just before the infection as engineering stated. So what ever infected them was unable to get to room where they put on the suits and then followed as they tried to get to another ship. Does anyone know if they were running away or towards the pilot / stasis room. If they were running towards the pilot / stasis room then my theory is crap and only the screaching has to be invrstigated. If that's the case I accept your theory engineering.
Thanks for the replies.
CypherOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 9:03 AM
I actually think they were in a completely different section of the pyramid, you never really get a good sense of where any of the rooms are in relation to each other, besides the storage room and the Orrery, which are right next to each other.
"Is it dead this time?" "I dunno, poke it with this stick and see."
CrabfartOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 10:13 AM
Like I said earlier it could also be a vision or prophecy most likely from the elders they saw it would happen along time ago and made the murals / alter . Possibly that is why they tried to stop it?!
I strongly feel we will have the elders who / or something that created the engineers later in this film and also a god like being only one of them that infact will not be god in the sense of the bible version / the creator of the universe as such. Partly because I heard about the mountains of madness and hints that it may be very similar...but I do hope they mix it up a bit of course.
MVMNTOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 5:44 PM
F'kin BOOM @Cypher - brilliant point
Just because the chronological order of story telling we see in the film, does not dictate it in the silo / hangar
PUNXOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 6:37 PM
Maybe the Enginners were running from the last (in order of running) Engineer, because he was infected... When they(the Humans) got back to the ship Shaw,Ford and David scan and analize said Engineers head... when Ford stimulates it, her and Shaw point out the change on the head starting again!
and yes I also think the Hologram in the bridge was before the breakout!
SvanyaPraetorianAdmin4298 XPJul-18-2012 6:48 PM
I do think they knew about the Deacon beforehand [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7545]The Deacon (Proto Xeno?) was shown to us right from the beginning of the movie, on Mural[/url]
I don't remember the screeching, something to pay attention to when it comes out on DVD.
PUNXOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:01 PM
wHAT i DON'T REALLY GET... AFTER THE SCREECH, sHAW SAYS @wHAT WAS [email protected]
and the Egineers come arunning... thhe recording must have a physical presence of somesort because as they Run through David his hair catches the breeze of the movement... latter when he activates the recording on the bridge he interacts with the green light,arua from the egg keyboard as well as the Map.
What does this mean? Does it even mean anything?
faderOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:19 PM
When David activated the first hologram, the very first thing is the scream and it sounds exactly like the deacon's scream from the end of the movie. I think each area in the temple and/or ship has its own dedicated recordings, so I think each hologram are not in sequence, but just a hologram in that specific area. Also I noted that when the engineers started running, the 4th one fell down to his/her knees, with a few others running right behind him/her but then the scene switch to David w/1st, and 2nd engineer running threw David. The engineer that fell was then the last one trying to get to the door and I notice he/she fell to their knees again, then fell forword getting it's head cut off. The engineer's head was surely infected.
Regarding why they were all wearing their flight suits could it be that they were possibly loading the Juggernauts up with the payload of black goo before their run to destroy earth.
Last but not least, I hope in the DVD/Blu-Ray they have a hugh section about the Engineers, I think they are so kool, more so than any xeno, facehugger, and character in all the Alien movies.....
Also just need to throw this in, but when David talks to the awaken Engineer, that look he gives David speaks volumes to me, as if: We are not your creators, we are your destroyers, that's how I read, may be wrong, but man that look still sticks in my head, which is still attached btw lol
I should reach the frontier in about 6 weeks. With a little luck, the network will pick me up. This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo....
shambsOvomorphMember40 XPJul-18-2012 7:22 PM
Deacon can be many things...new alien...ancestor...proto-Alien...or even only result in the chain of events (black goo + Holoway + Shaw = Cuddles + Engineering = Deacon) like a colateral monster , a new branch perhaps, product of the cir***stance.
shambsOvomorphMember40 XPJul-18-2012 7:28 PM
In addition to the mural may be the design plane, or a representation of the Classic Alien, then perhaps the Deacon is not an ancestor after all ... who knows.
PUNXOvomorphMember0 XPJul-18-2012 7:36 PM
The Mural shows the Deacon protoxeno or the Alien, but behind it is tyhe shape of Cuddles.. and to the bottom right (Hollaway's last glimpse after the tomb comment he makes) you can cleary see a shape exactley like Giger's first designs for the Hugger!
shambsOvomorphMember40 XPJul-18-2012 7:44 PM
@punx, You should refer to this
shambsOvomorphMember40 XPJul-18-2012 7:46 PM
But this could prove that the aliens are ancient creatures after all. unless of course that only concerned the design of the proposed biological weapon.
oduoduXenomorphMember1221 XPJul-19-2012 3:16 PM
So then anybody can confirm if screaches are the same ?
I guess nobody knows if there is maybe a schematic for the pyramid and the ships as well as how they connect to each other.
OdencrantzOvomorphMember49 XPMar-24-2017 1:36 PM
The screech in the hologram is from the Predator(s) that are attacking.