What is happening to Shaw as she pleads for someone or thing to "Stop. Please!!"
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OvomorphMember67 XPApr-22-2012 11:46 PMI searched and did not find a discusion on Shaw hanging upside down apparently being violated in some way. She is pleading and crying for mercy. "Stop, please!!" I know her character is supposed to be spiritual or religious and it appears as if she gets knocked up at some point (umbilical cord on thing in med unit with her, attached to her.) I keep hearing shaw but coukd the being stalking her in her spacesuit abord prometheus who appears tobe a space jockey from below impregnate her? A lot of us asssume it is Holloway who gets her pregnant but what if that is misdirection. Or maybe there is something else going on in this particular scene. Any thoughts? 27 Responses to What is happening to Shaw as she pleads for someone or thing to "Stop. Please!!"
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-22-2012 11:52 PM
There is no real evidence of how Shaw gets pregnant with the Alien thing, could be several ideas, the stop please could either be the violation part or the medi pod part.
I believe the "Abortion" scene with the Alien tentacle thing is what Ridley Scott was referring to as the "Chest burster moment" but who the hell knows 
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-22-2012 11:53 PM@karstenphd: That's the scene when she is having a c-section to remove the monster she produces after being fertilized by the infected Holloway. She is not upside down. She is inside the MedPod... The "stop-please" could be her crying in pain because of the procedure...OvomorphMember0 XPApr-22-2012 11:56 PM
What confuses me is she is meant to be Alone in that scene, and later she drops to her knees in front of the crew members, did she Abort an Alien, have its tentacle slap against the door, walk away to some crew and fall over ? im sure there is a lot missing here
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 4:47 AMThere are a lot of voiceovers in the trailer, so the "please" doesn´t necessarily belong to the scene with Shaw hanging upside down.OvomorphMember67 XPApr-23-2012 12:24 AMThanks guys, I"m leaning toward her being inpregnated and then fighting off some techs, as seen in some trailers. She feins sleep, hitting one of the medtechs or scientist with a weighted object and possibly knocking them out, I then imagine her going to a medi pod and self c-sectioning herself to stop some crewmembers from forcing her to carry the fetus to term. She is being held in a lab, escapes and then is not put under anesthesia during a c-section that I think she is doing on herself to get what the Company wants inside her to come to full term out. It seems as if they would at least put her under during a c-section but maybe she learns that the organism inside of her is more important than her health. Why would she cry please stop when she is c- sectioning herself. Afterwards she walks exhuasted into the room with the old man and some guys around him bloodied and stitched up and collapses in the doorway. No one was assisting with that procedure imo. OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 12:51 AMI do believe the "stop please" phrase, might not be in the med pod scene or the holloway scene; remember trailers shows stuff in different context. ( plus think Damon Lindehof )
I do remember Ridley stating that the kind of "chestburster " scene is very intimate with no spectators, so may be shaw-holloway, shaw-david or just Shaw.
There's still a lot to be seen
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 1:56 AMPersonally, i wouldn't want them doing a scene like for the movie. Don't get me wrong, i'm all for tension, but it's really unnecessary...rape scenes. Everything from Deliverance, to An American History X is just ridiculous. And i really don't want fhem pulling an American History X on us... It's a simple case of "i don't wanna see that ****", nothing more. Im not going by visual disturbance, it's about the 'unnecessary factor' more than anything, really.
Hopefully Shaw simply gets infected, by OTHER means...
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 2:21 AMi'm going to say it's during the emergency med-pod scene
her being raped - would be lame,
women in films as the ones being violated is so played out
(damn - - that sounded cold)
i have zero problem watching a male being raped,
it makes the general male viewing audience squirm
in their seats, and i get a private kick out of men
feeling "violated"
OvomorphMember26 XPApr-23-2012 4:08 AMShe doesn't say 'stop please' she just says 'please'.
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 5:48 AMShaw's not hanging upside down ... that is a shot directly over her head, a different view, on the MedPod ... if you get a screenshot of that scene, rotate it 180 you'll see it better ;) ...
DeaconMember10390 XPApr-23-2012 5:56 AM@karstenphd
Thats a good point. It would depend though if indeed Shaw is alone in the Med Pod Scene.
The way the scenes are its hard to peice them together, could she had been taken to the Pod by the Team. That scene where she is being held down by Crew Members i mean could that be after she falls on her knees infront of what looks like David and the guy in the Wheel Chair, does she collapse they then put her on the scanner and find something inside and then call the Science Team to then restrain her? We just dont know those scenes could fit in any manner its hard to say which order they apear.
So that please scene could be
1) During a Scene that she gets impregnated.
2) During a Scene where they find something growing in her.
3) During the actual C-Section.
who knows?
As far as Rape goes, well it depends i mean would you class forced artificial insemination as Rape?
A number of people who report being abducted by Greys say that they was Raped by them but not by them having sex with them, but by forcefull proping and other invasive experiements.
Maybe thats whats going on?R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 9:17 AMWell, considering this is a PG-13 film I would guess that this is the scene where David has tied her up and has been telling her knock-knock jokes nonstop for several hours.
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 9:21 AMI'm sure Ushbuck would have some fascinating ideas to offer.
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 11:03 AMOr...she gets trapped by the personel favoured by Mr. Weyland...they have seen that the suit-reaper slug, only mutates or devowes a male....but can behave totally different to a female human...trying to preserve it until it is inpregnated and keeps her alive until the newborn comes to life...
Obviously they force her inside the med pod ...probably wanting to see what will happen as they knew that a female person can get impregnated....
She pleads for a stop....she must probably have started feeling some of the creature's tentacles trying to punch through her flesh...maybe this way inpregnating her...maybe that's why she appears having lots of small wounds over her whole body...remove it by herself? Improbable....who knows?
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 1:21 PM[quote]
i have zero problem watching a male being raped,
it makes the general male viewing audience squirm
in their seats, and i get a private kick out of men
feeling "violated"
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Really? 'cause I get a private kick out of you not feeling anything at all ever again...Sadist.
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OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 3:48 PMMaybe she's asking this forum to stop speculating on everything. But then, that's our raison d'etre isn't it? OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 4:19 PM@takka_takka_takka: I lovvvvvvvvvvvvve that cat!:)
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 4:23 PMHey "TakkaX3", Question with some sarcasm in it for ya...Do you think some of the carvings made into structures here on the earth that can be seen only from the sky or space were made by G-d or the Egyptians?OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 5:21 PMThee umbilical would suggest a conventional impregnation but who's to say how the organism gestates? The xeno chestburster would have needed something similar (presumably) to siphon nurtrients from it's host victim and grow. The whole Halloway/Shaw night o' passion as the cause just seems too mundane, simple and not overly frightening when in contrast to having a specfic cir***stance forced upon your person.
Based from the footage I've seen I favor an implantation of some kind. For example, in the scene where there is something tentacle like dangling above Shaw's head, the thing appears dark greenish in colour (similar to the thing David8 takes out of the Urn) whereas the worm-like thing post c-section is pale and fleshy coloured. Not the same organism is seems.OvomorphMember0 XPApr-23-2012 11:58 PMThere is the hot and heavy Holloway-Shaw kissing scene. Either they go all the way and have sex, or there was a rough landing for Holloway.
I expect the hard landing for Holloway given Shaw's character is religious. The alternative, they have sex, still may result in a good plot along the lines of sin punished or emotional attachment causing someone to do more than they would under normal cir***stances.
So, I like the theory (as in a likely disturbing theory) of a thwarted Holloway coming back transformed or infected to force his way on Shaw. Sort of a date rape in space.
Still, man rape and man impregnation by an alien were prime ways Alien disturbed us.
There is also the magazine rape scene with Ash and Ripley where Ash rolls up a newspaper and tries to stuff it down Ripley's throat. The scene also has nude pin-ups on the wall. Maybe the pin-ups were to make men who like them feel uncomfortable with the scene of a woman being killed by a man shoving the (assumed) girly magazine down Ripley's throat.
OvomorphMember0 XPApr-24-2012 12:57 AM[url=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DcPZ0iLt2s0/TwR6VeBbgJI/AAAAAAAABXw/vJ6fAR4cKjk/s640/noomi+scream.jpg]Med pod from teaser[/url]OvomorphMember0 XPApr-25-2012 1:57 AMImprovision quote reply: "Well, considering this is a PG-13 film".
Sorry to mention this here, plus it's been talked about, but i haven't really been following the subject ; Are they seriously going through with this? WTF!?
There a discussion thread where i can take my anger out on... My cat because we don't have any ice-cream in the freezer?OvomorphMember0 XPApr-25-2012 2:25 AMwhen i watched the trailer. i see her looking at her self in the mirror and her veins go black, much like whats hinted to be the 'first man on earth' scene in the trailer when he stands up to look at his arm, as the space ship has just taken off.
putting it in a time line is tricky from 2 minutes of footage but i would say
she gets infected, finds the crew after a long hide/seek chase scene, collapses in front of them, gets put in the med lab to remove whatever she has inside her. i have a suspicion that the android david will try to stop the processes some how. company orders?
it is also hinted at that david gets infected with human DNA some how, and starts to change into a human Add A Reply
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