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CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 12:26 PMOK, I had first posted a rough starting point on this thought in someone elses topic, but since I will probably lose track of that thread at some point, I am starting this new one here so that I can develop this theory more over time as we get closer to the movie release date.
I dont think that I have ever seen anyone, anywhere, mention this observation yet. The first post of this OT will be me just cutting and pasting my thought from the other thread. Here goes....
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OK, Im still not going to give you my whole take on this, but I will try to give you a couple hints as to what I am thinking.
Food for thought...
The "Jockey" is the literal "Prometheus" of our story. He is a Titan, but not quite a God. He is subservant to the God's (and there may be several different ones!)
Now, Im going to skip over a lot of the in between for now, but think on this.....
The turntable/gun mechanism of the alien vessel has been designed as BOTH a means of life creation/birth while at the same time being a method of CRUEL PUNISHMENT for the poor "Jockey" who has done wrong! And he and his fellow kinsmen are going to have to endure this punishment over and over again until the end of time!
Now my first clues for you... I wont put direct picture attachments in this for now, but most of you will probably be familiar with what I mean when I describe it...
Notice how the tube like devices/attachments at the bottom of the "Jockey" chair spin along with the chair and actually LINE UP with connecting points at the bases of the 4 Sarcophagi attached to opposite corners of the turntable.
Now, do you see how adjacent Sarcophagi LINE up with each other on each diagonal... As if one is an ENTRY channel and one is an EXIT channel?
Does that get your little hamsters on their treadmills going yet??
Hahahaha
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Xenotron
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 12:30 PMI killed my hamster to keep it from getting carried away with baseless speculation.
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 12:33 PMAddition... This is just a first response I had from wiskuz in the other thread and my reply.... Gonna move them to here to keep everything all together now....
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Reply from WHISKUZ....
Oh shit...wait a minute. A bunch of people have mentioned the holes in the sarcophogi...those holes are placed pretty perfectly for a chest burster to come out, aren't they?
Maybe those sarcophogi hold impregnated lifeforms.
and my response....
Sort of... The hole in the top is simply meant to INSERT whatever material the ENGINEER has decided to in any given situation.
But I meant the lower bottom corners of the pods which would line up DIRECTLY with the channel like tubes on the bottom of the chair. As the chair swivels and locks in place on the turntable, these channels now form a connection with the bottom corners of the Sarcophagi.
Do you get what I mean now?
PS: I honestly CANNOT BELIEVE NO ONE HERE has noticed this until now !!!!
I really need GEMinis overhead turntable shot to illustrate this, but I cant find it right now. Will try to add it here later.
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 12:46 PMGoing to start trying to link to pics to help illustrate this point...
Here is one of Giger's original concept images of the "Jockey" Chair. Notice the tubes/channels integrated into the base of the chair. Notice how it also appears that the channels are directing material into/through the whole chair/apparatus itself... As if its like "plumbing"...
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/A1AGIGERA1.jpg[/img]
Svanya
AdminPraetorianApr-11-2012 12:46 PMAre you saying the SJ is made to eternally "give birth" to Xenos over and over again? One pops out, he heals up, gets infected again and so on and so on infinity? That's pretty horrific. :(
The chair does kind of look like a torture device. Here are some pics I found.
[img]http://www.popcultureshocktoys.com/images/gallery/prototype/alienPredator/spaceJockey/spaceJockey_05.jpg[/img]
This one looks like it has a covering over the chest cavity with a tube to insert/export something.
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/S90vx5FTxFI/AAAAAAAAAMU/GkYYjGXJom4/s1600/hr_giger_necronom_vdetail.jpg[/img]
Concerning the sarcophagi, look at this image:[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YlMToFdlGVs/TKPQ0IWZwTI/AAAAAAAAAZw/7DrmE8AxZPM/s320/chiquitadetail1972ii.jpg[/img]
THIS looks like squidly, the thing that we think came out of shaws belly:[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/SZn1a4APrKI/AAAAAAAAAGk/0eoMQIeWk-0/s1600/071.jpg[/img]
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:03 PM@Svanya...
Well not quite... There are NO Xenos as we know them yet.
This was a process which the ENGINEERS have devised which can create many differing lifeforms of their choosing.... but at the same time, it serves as the "Jockey's" means of punishment from their petty, vindictive "overlords".
I was going to flesh this out over time. I just wanted to get this topic going as a placeholder of sorts.
Svanya
AdminPraetorianApr-11-2012 1:05 PM@CanadaPhil; Well I say Xeno because we don't know what came out of the SJ chest. :P
Good idea btw. :D
whiskuz
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:27 PM@genjitsu17
This isn't an Alien movie. Ridley says Alien is barely in it's DNA.
Further, regardless of whether something was designed by Giger for Alien or not, Ridley could us it if he wanted to.
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:20 PMTo give a little more detail, Gigers life cycle painting "Hieroglyphics" shows at least 2 "sacrificial lambs" if you will being required to act together.
I think RS has now decided to use elements of Giger's original freakish concepts in CONJUCTION with the punishment/torture element of the Greek Prometheus mythos.
The original turntable mechanism of the Derelict in 79 has NO appartus other than the chair itself.
For Prometheus, we have a ton of additional elements added.. the most obvious ones being the 4 Sarcophagi/pods, a separate control panel station (for the "God"?) and the design of which has obviously been reworked so that the tubes on the chair would line up with these new elements. There is clearly some thought process involved with this setup other than simple asthetics on the art director's part.
Here is one of GEM's overhead stills of the mechanism with the "gun" in place, showing all of the NEW elements added in Prometheus. In the '79 original, none of these additions are there. There was only the turntable and the "gun/chair" in the center.
[img]http://oi42.tinypic.com/idad50.jpg[/img]
genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:24 PMThe second pic "crotch" is not nor was it ever intended to be related to Alien. It's a perverse landscape. Do some intel. before you post stuff.
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genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:30 PMUh huh..... you said it was part of the chair. I just stated that you made that up. You were pretty specific.
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.
shambs
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:34 PMMaybe humans are just the lab rats of the "Gods"
[img]http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/ethon86/prometheus____spacejokeys_experiments_on_human_by_t_rex79-d4i179z.jpg[/img]
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:34 PM^^^
What are you guys going on about ????? Oh nevermind.
Here is a link to a larger version of GEM's overhead Turntable shot....
[url=http://oi42.tinypic.com/idad50.jpg]Turntable overhead...[/url]
genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:38 PMI do find the 3 "ruptured" pods interesting.
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.
draekus
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:40 PM@Whiskuz
[quote]Further, regardless of whether something was designed by Giger for Alien or not, Ridley could us it if he wanted to.[/quote]
Actually, he can't. Unless of course the studio bought the rights from Giger for that particular painting.
shambs
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:42 PMI think the holes in the sarcophagus indicate they are empty. The sarcophagus that has no hole should be the bearer of the last Space Jockey / Engineer.
The last of the mummies LOL
MarcoBot1234
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 1:47 PMThe holes in the sarcophagi' are possible access for a facehugger to impregnate the hosts inside i would imagine
Corey
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 2:22 PMI don't think face-huggers exist at this point. I don't think the holes are an access for the face-huggers.
I'm thinking that the tubes are meant for feeding or something along those lines. The jockey that is in the chair is releasing something that goes into the other sarcophagi.
I'm having trouble wording this thought. I'm picturing the jockey being implanted with something, then the tubes send it to the sarcophagi.
But I'm not sure of what is actually coming out of the sarcophagi through the release channels.
Am I on the right track CanadaPhil?
Ethon the Ripper
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 2:27 PMPerhaps this is the punishment for Prometheus, being a guinea pig and slave to the painful task of creating biological weapons, or more specifically millions upon millions of these:
[img]http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/ethon86/219293-alien_egg_large.jpg[/img]
That's why they use a biomechanical suit to regenerate tissues and over again and not die a painful work / punishment.
[img]http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/ethon86/space-jockey-prometheus.jpg[/img]
Ethon the Ripper
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 2:32 PMLOL By the way the turntable seems very similar to this:
[img]http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/ethon86/sacrificechamber.png[/img]
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 2:35 PMDamn!.. I know Ethon!
Lolz.. That was probably the only interesting element in AVP !.
I wonder if RS and the rest involved here years ago said.. "OH CRAP !!".. thats part of our untold concept! Hahahaha.
Seriously though, in that plot, Xenomorphs are really nothing more than corn fed deer stuck in a fenced "game preserve" that get hunted for fun by Alien hillbillies hunters who have big frikkin lay-sers! hahaha
Ethon the Ripper
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 2:46 PMBut look at this photo posted by @ Jones in another topic and look at her abdomen, they have a sort of scar. I believe this is Prometheus and his punishment:
[img]http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/ethon86/7068509885_f9ed34799d_b.jpg[/img]
MU-TH-R 182
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 5:05 PMIt's interesting that there are steps up to the centre of the turntable, which I assume is for access to the chair when it's raised.
I also assume that the other seat is for flight navigation.
It wouldn't make a lot of sense to have to get out of your seat, walk around the turntable, walk up the steps to get into the chair. It doesn't seem practical to get out, over the dashboard to reach the chair either.
All that is assuming there is only one pilot or Space Jockey.
Maybe it's designed to be crewed by at least two.
FREEZE!
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 7:04 PMMaybe something of roulette odds? One a gate to freedom, others gates to hell?
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Gem]n[
MemberOvomorphApr-11-2012 7:19 PM@Phil ... I did go down that route about the chair and sargophagi but I couldn't see how they would be able to be used like that ... hence didn't post it ... I always thought (possibly read years ago) that the big tubes were vents for the movement of the chair itself ... we never really got to see the whole front of the chair ... ANYWHERE ... I get what you're sayin fully though ;) ...
I posted it may be a RAMP on the right as opposed to stairs? ...
Here's a brighter picture of same image ...
[b]Chair-Chamber with David - Lit Up:[/b]
[size=50](Right click and select 'View Image' for bigger view)[/size]
[img]http://oi41.tinypic.com/bijfcn.jpg[/img]
Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:27 AMI think the chamber produces the holographic map we see David standing in.
CanadaPhil
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:41 AMHey GEM,
Yes I know what you mean. It just seems to me now that they have put a lot of thought into what this thing is now... and I am sure they are going to have to know show it in "action" to some extent so its function will have to be revealed in this story.
And to clarify a bit more... We know that the ends of the tubes on the "chair" base curve slightly up at both ends... And we can see that the "channels" at the end of the Sarcophagi curve slightly down... So they DO MATCH UP with the chair swivels to directly face the Sarcophagi.
I didnt want to post my full theory yet... because we are still a long way off.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:53 AMI wonder if while the Space Jockey is controlling the turntable or whatever he Listens To "Beck"...LMFAO...really loud....
[b]
"I got Two Turntables and a MIcrophone"[/b]
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1beck.jpg[/img]
Necrofan
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 8:04 AMI love this thread. hilarious AND informative, with some great posts.
That would suck, to travel across the universe searching for God and instead you meet Daft Punk- lol.
Svanya, I love the pics in your posting and yes I believe you are on to something. Whatever creature we are presented with in 'Prometheus,' will no doubt be deigned by Giger himself. I absolutely LOVE Giger's work... the key to what we will see in the movie may very well be coded in his previous artwork. I love it!
Necrofan
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 8:13 AMOH! and WHAT IF...
Imagine a sticky substance that can essentially create a living organism out of ANY material it comes into contact with... just think about it. The derelict we see in Alien could be the result of the SHIP becoming infected with the goo after the crash on LV-426, and it subsequently begins to write the ship's structure into a living organism. The eggs would be a product of the ship trying to make a way to reproduce itself, as any living thing must have in order survive more than one generation. And the original Xenomorph only comes into being after the impregnation of Kane by the facehugger, which mutated again in Kane's stomach, with HIS DNA added to the mix... you get a part-man, part machine organism that is, apparently, extremely pissed off.
Or maybe not!
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