No More David? Collider Mark Reilly Wants David Again3,063 Views18 RepliesAdd A Reply
Let’s try to find the balance again.
Probably you know the Collider News video in which Mark Reilly and Steve Weintraub discuss the future of the Alien Universe.
The conversation reveals only possible scenarios regarding future Alien movies – a concrete plan or decision made by Fox is not mentioned at all. Added to this, we are informed that the theoretical scenarios entirely belong to the past, we do not know anything about their present situation.
Beyond doubt, nothing official will be announced by Fox before the Japanese release of the movie, so we have to wait until September.
Mark Reilly stresses in the video that he wants to see David again, he wants to see the final chapter of the David storyline. Open your eyes and fight against the Fake News Factories!
Well said ATI
Keep levelling the playing field. It is working well so keep em coming. We love this franchise
Take This.... This is the blood of our lord
Yeah- I think the David story needs to wrap up. If they want a reboot after that, fine. I also think a familiar character should be there for continuity as a new cast comes into play.
Yeah man totally, haha. Level the playing field, stupid fake news, haha. Do you really think 20th Century Fox really cares what you or anyone else wants? If they make another movie or not the decision is theirs that's it. Nobody is going to change their mind about whether another movie happens but them. If they think it's a good investment there will be another one if they don't it's done.
Do you really think 20th Century Fox really cares what you or anyone else wants?
As a business, FOX should care care what the audience wants- it makes good business sense.
You are entitled to your opinion, but it comes across as if to provoke an argument. This is the second time today this has happened. A thread was locked because of it.
Fox reacted to the feedback from Prometheus.
Take This.... This is the blood of our lord
Oh that thread was locked because of me, not the other guy as well. I'm not here to argue, I thought this site was to express your opinion and I am definitely not the only one on here who is on the other side of this. He who shall not be named starts name dropping people and calls them out and can't take negative comments about a movie without getting bent out of shape and I responded and it was locked because of me. This is a movie we are talking about, the whole point of sites like this are to have your own opinion and sometimes that means disagreements. It's not like we were calling each other names and dropping f bombs left and right, that was very, very tame for a disagreement which I have seen way worse than that on here and a thread wasn't locked. I will apologize to you but I will not apologize to said person who I have a different opinion than.
Ati Honestly, you don't seem to care for the future of the franchise. You are part of a tiny minority who wants this franchise to be more a bout the AI and not about the Alien mythos, which is going to kill this brand with the general audience.
Apologies are unnecessary. The other thread was not locked due to only one individual but because it strayed way off topic and it was becoming a sheer argument. Calling out other member names can come across as drawing them in for a fight too. Those members should be able to speak for themselves. Unfortunately, staff and moderators cannot monitor all threads at all times and there have been things left unmitigaed/moderated. If members want to argue, there is always the option to PM.
I mean, David needs to be (imo), pretty much, the focus of the next film. Wrap this whole Prometheus trilogy up, give David a satisfying conclusion. I am one that is all for another delve into David's psyche. I thought the stringed out, serial killer, android hell bent on destroying the human race, that create his own creatures to inhabit the universe was chilling. It was well-done.
I want to see how his journey ends and he needs to be the main focus of the film I think. Then again, it wouldn't totally surprise me if they somehow made David a supporting character. Seeing as they took Prometheus and brushed it under the carpet and pulled the David-created(recreated, whatever)-the-Xeno twist, anything could happen. Still, I feel as if another direction change would undoubtedly kill the franchise. Not changing directions could kill the franchise (or the Ridley Scott controlled part of it.) I mean, choose something and stick with it. They can't keep jumping ships.
Not a map, an invitation
Watching youtube videos is useful, but don't forget that you can own the movie on Digital HD from August / on Blu-ray and DVD from August 15.
Enjoy the Covenant! :)
Well said DK... indeed PM is best way to handle personal things like that...
Right i will try and contribute to this Topic, but this could be a mess because i am like a Brainless Zombie at the Moment :( So i cant concentrate much and feel drained all the time, hence lack of activity for a week. But Zombie Meds are Drs Orders :(
I know there has been a few Topics and News about regarding the Future of the Franchise, and some are pointing to FOX having to rethink the Future.. I think this does not mean they will not make another movie.. i think they are assessing do they MAKE THE NEXT ONE... Tie up most of the Lose Ends to Alien.
They do not want to end up going a 2 sequel route to get to Alien and then have the next Stage Alien Awakening Bomb Badly or even disappoint as much as Alien Covenant did, this is in terms of reception and amount of Profit made.
Making a AA that leads open to another sequel just as how AC is leaving it open for another Sequel... Puts FOX in a difficult postion.
They surely can not ignore AC and Proceed with a different Prometheus Sequel, or even a Rebooted Prequel that ignores Prometheus and Alien Covenant... But this approach is not totally out of the Question. But its likely they cant leave the end of AC how it is and how it has shown David and the Black Goo from Prometheus has lead to the Start of the Xenomorph and that David and his Creation are hinted to link to Alien.
They cant just by-pass a direct Alien Covenant Sequel that follows what happened to David and the Colony Ship Covenant... But then again they can pull a AC... in that they can have AA set after David has set up shop on Origae-6 or where ever they are going and not cover the 7 year events between.
But they simply cant just ignore AC, and give us a movie that does little or nothing to cover David, the Covenant, the Colonist and Davids Experiments.....
BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM...
with the Reception AC got, and some complaints for various things, FOX are surely now re-assessing how to take the Franchise to connect to ALIEN if the journey from AC to Alien means that AA has to cover David and the Covenant and his Creation but would still need a 3rd MOVIE to tie to Alien..
The Problem is if this next movie Alien Awakening Fails to do well and even worse if it fails to match Alien Covenant as far as how disappointing it did... Then it SIMPLY leaves them DEAD AND BURIED... The only options then would be Avoid the Franchise and Re-boot it down the road which would be a bit Silly, as they have to Stick to their Guns with the Journey they wish to now take... otherwise the other TWO Options are to again, Have Faith, try and learn from mistakes and invest again in another Potential 3rd movie FLOP. Which if AA fairs no better than AC, then the risk is that the 3rd and Final Jigsaw to Piece it all together to Alien, will likely not succeed either and FOX would have Wasted Years and $$$ Millions on a Flop Alien Prequel.
so continuing the Story from AC to AA that then needs another movie is a bit of a gamble considering how disappointing AC was.
The Other Option would be to cover a Movie next that directly Ties to ALIEN and so covers a lot of the ideas they would have for the 3rd Alien Prequel movie, but in a way that leaves it open for a 3rd movie to actually cover the events after AC
This ^^^ could seem a more logical step, but if this Movie Flops then depending what its showed as far as the lead up to Alien, and any Questions relating to David, Engineers, and LV-223 and Paradise etc... if there are Questions left that seemed they needed a movie set Prior to Answer them (i.e what Alien Awakening maybe is intended to be) then we get again a bit of a disappointment of missing any Gaps. Should they decide to Pull the Plug after going a more direct Alien Tie in movie that leaves Questions remaining from Prometheus, AC and what happens a lot between 2104 and 2122.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
so again i think indeed FOX have a lot to Re-assess, i dont think it means they will Scrap a Sequel.... I think they are pondering should we Cut this down to One Prequel that connects more to Alien, so again skipping another movie like we had with AC... In order to drive the Plot more Directly connected to Alien.
Then depending how this re-assessed sequel does, they can then decide to leave the prequels alone and explore Parallel Stories or even then go the route of a Alien Sequel, be it set after Alien, or Aliens or Alien 3 etc... and depending where will decide which Franchise Movie/Movies are knocked from Canon.
As right now here is what we have if we look at timeline of events...
1st Prometheus (First Prequel)
2nd Prometheus The Crossing (Prologue that could been 2nd movie)
3rd Alien Covenant (the 2nd Prequel)
4th Alien Awakening (the planned 3rd Prequel).
5th Alien Prequel Climax (the connecting movie to Alien).
FOX have gone the route to by-pass number 2, which is the events between Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
Maybe they could now be pondering by-passing of sorts the movie between Alien Covenant and the Final Prequel movie that connects to Alien... this By-passing/tone down the plans for Alien Awakening.
I think this is something they could be assessing.
They will also be taking on board the reaction of Fans, to how the Xenomorph was in AC, Davids Role and Character, the Engineers or lack of and also maybe also considering is the Cameron's ALIEN and Ripley Connections something that they feel could bring the Franchise back on course?
I for One think that NOW THEY HAVE MADE THEIR BED... they have to Lie in it and carry on with Davids Story and Arc and not be tempted to Sweep him under the carpet like Dr Shaw and the Engineers were and even worse Crack to the Pressure to Make these Prequels Tie in to RIPLEY... No Thanks.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Hi, Dave! Don't forget that you can own the... :D :D
BigDave I am glad to see that you take the news seriously. Because some people were trying to label them as "fake news", disregarding the fact that The Hollywood Reporter is an Industry insider publication which would not publish something like that if it was not true. I think the right thing to do would be to warp things up in one single movie that gives closure to the David character, but without letting him monopolize the movie. And after that, start fresh with new stories post Ripley.
cuponator3000 I concur. All this wishy washy stuff is drama inducing lol
"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."
Indeed some did think it was FAKE due to supposed Sources, i cant say if the reports are true or not....
All i can say is if we look at it from FOX's POV then indeed there is a lot to consider, the Prequels did open up a lot of New Things which had not settled down well with many.
Inc the Human looking Space Jockey Engineers, the no Xenomorph answers or Monsters in Prometheus... So FOX U-Turned due to Reaction and also the Hype that Alien 5 was getting.
So they gave us Xenomorphs, to a degree, not enough for some Fans, and for some the way they looked, how they was shown and other changes (Fast Gestation and Chest Burster) did not please some fans... Then Fans was disappointed that the Crazy Robot David created the Xenomorphs.
Yet some fans complained we never got Answers from Prometheus, and how Dr Shaw was handled and the Engineers, so FOX will maybe be thinking... "Hang on... we thought these was things Fans did not want to see, hence giving them Xenomorphs"
so its a tricky route to go now... how do they please those who dont like David Character and the heavy influence on AI, what about how he created the Xenomorphs... Do they bring in the Engineers more, but would this upset fans who was no pleased with how Prometheus introduced them.
so FOX really do have a lot to think about, and FOX are not in the Game of Throwing Money at Stuff, i mean Alien Covenant had over $30M less spent than Prometheus and considering Inflation thats a Good $45M equivalent spent... when really they should have been investing MORE and not LESS
I think there are a lot they are thinking about in Hindsight, and in Hindsight they may feel the First Prequel.. Prometheus should have had more Alien Connections.
Its how do they try and please all the fans.... its hard to say and they certainly cant take a chance of backing $100-130M on a Sequel and have it rake back less than $300M and reacting to disappointment by backing a Hash Cut Price Budget Sequel is a Bad Idea (See AVPR)
So i think my Original Post does touch upon the kinds of things FOX must be asking themselves.
They cant just ignore the next movie.... well they could... but this would feel a let down to those who enjoyed Prometheus.. they could have another movie set as a different angle on a Prequel where they find the aftermath of David and what ever happened to the Colonist and Covenant Mission..
And they discover a whole host of Eggs, and Dead Colonists and a Dead Android Corpse.... But surely doing to David what they did with Dr Shaw is not the best choice.... But its something we cant rule out.
They could cover a Plot like above as a Parallel one, where a W-Y ship arrives at the derelict Origae-6 and Eggs, and all the Eggs are destroyed but the Company find out some Engineers had taken some to LV-223/426 area.... which sets up ALIEN.
While this would be more of a Re-hash of Aliens but set on Origae-6 i dont think it would be the best way to handle the franchise.
The Problem is if they follow events that predate the event that leads to the Derelict and this event is connected to events that happen after David arrives at Origae-6 and so the then do a movie that directly follows David and how those TWO Face Huggers lead to Thousands of Eggs.
If this does not directly give enough Clues or even a Spoon Fed Ending that leads to ALIEN, but a ending that means we need another movie to get to this...
If the next movie goes this route above and Flops, then FOX are in a Sticky Situation as far as they have invested and set up a series of Prequels to lead to Alien... and they surely have to Finish it off with a 3rd movie... which will get FOX worrying.
Dont Worry i THINK they have a Secret Plan for the 3rd Movie to Sell that IDEA...
Make the 3rd movie a Ripley Connection Movie... yeah!!!!! NOPE! as i stated on a few Topics the Time-Lines would not add up and i think investing in Ripley as to Connect the Prequels to HER STORY is a Bad Idea.
Because if this goes down Well for the Fanboys.... then surely that means another Movie with Ripley and i just wont be able to buy a Ripley De-Aged in any Prequel or even Alien Sequel..
Especially when you consider the $$$$$$$ it would cost, look at Tarkin from Rogue One and T-800 from Terminators last outing... Expensive and not quite Perfect and also limited Screen Time.
I do FEAR FOX will Panic and bring back Ripley and even spend a Good $30-40M on CGI overlay on her and not much left to spend elsewhere..
Ripley Died in Alien 3 IMO ;)
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
David as a character is alright but they give the artificial intelligence too much of a focus in the prequels. Yes there were AI’s in it before but they weren’t the main focus. I like the difference between David and Walter but they should focus on the monsters and the human characters. Another movie with the main focus being David would be boring since it was too much in Covenant. I do not want another movie with the AI’s being the main focus, I totally agree with Joylitt here.
Having the Alien movies as survival movies could be interesting like the guy in the red t-shirt said in the collider video (3:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7n5NT72ak). I would rather have that than the Prometheus connected ideas (gods, creation, and so on). Simply put: if I would look for a movie with themes like that I would look for something else, not something that is tied to Alien. The themes are interesting but they are difficult to execute well in an alien movie and make them interesting. A survival movie could have the tense atmosphere that Alien had, which I would like.
They shouldn’t have David being the creator of the Xeno, that would be stupid. He already has too much of an importance in AC and Prometheus. Having more believable main characters is a must. Better human characters and to keep the focus on them should be a start.
I have a serious question: why is it that they have failed with the human characters three movies in a row (not counting the AvP’s)? Alien 1-3 got it right but after that it sort of went to ****.
Xenos should be kept in the dark. It shouldn’t be like AC, Aliens, or Prometheus.
In case they are wondering about the Engineers they could work like a war like culture aiming at taking over other civilizations like an army war like culture. To create one must first destroy but tie them closer to the Xeno. Make them war like, determined, and brutal because that could be interesting to me at least. Ave subtitles to things that are important and don’t make it too ambiguous like in Prometheus.
Please no Ripley, she has had her time.