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Does the hologram show Dr. Elizabeth Shaw's death?

Does the hologram show Dr. Elizabeth Shaw's death?

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PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-03-2017 9:21 PM

Does the hologram show Dr. Elizabeth Shaw's death?

A tail seems to come up behind an assumed Dr. Shaw in the hologram.
63 Responses to Does the hologram show Dr. Elizabeth Shaw's death?


TrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-03-2017 9:24 PM

I mentioned that too- I thought it was a spike or a tube but as Fifeld pointed out it could be artifact too. I am really torn about this.


PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-03-2017 9:25 PM

The hologram looks different in this image as if an Engineer was at the controls. This may be a later in the same sequence or a different sequence.

Inquisitor Fifield

FacehuggerMember249 XPApr-03-2017 9:26 PM

its just the reflection on the engineer sized chair, no tail :D


PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-03-2017 9:31 PM

I understand what you're saying Inquisitor Fifield. Good point. The pointed object coming up behind Dr. Shaw is a hologram artifact showing the chair behind her. I'll have to perform more hologram analysis to be sure.


PraetorianMember2861 XPApr-03-2017 9:33 PM

Engineers....massive tech, but skimped on their Holotech :D






PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-03-2017 9:42 PM

I know Blackwinter-witch, hello, Weyland Industries hologram feedback of Dr. Shaw's childhood dreams was in better resolution than the Engineer hologram.

Goddamn Tropics in here

FacehuggerMember288 XPApr-03-2017 10:35 PM

I'm not sure about it showing Shaw dying, however these two side shots show a humanoid face

I think you can make out a jaw / teeth in the second shot

Its very distorted due to the hologram, but so too is the humanoid face


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-04-2017 5:12 AM

I dont think i can make out anything but a Humanoid in that Chair and i dont think they have put this scene together with it being after the discovery of Shaws ID Card for coincidence.

I do indeed think that Shaw is shown here operating the Juggernaught.  Which means David must have shown her.

This really is interesting if this is the case, as it would be very interesting to know at what point Shaw was in the Control Chair/Panel

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-04-2017 5:51 AM

I read where some in the media described two ships above Paradise before the black goo attack BigDave.

Could Dr. Shaw have been coordinating with David 8 to attack the Engineers on Paradise from the juggernaut?


OvomorphMember59 XPApr-04-2017 5:56 AM



Nail - hit - head. Exactly what I was thinking, but she gets killed and crashes before she can take the Juggernaut back to Earth. I'll say it again - "Take Me Home".


PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-04-2017 6:10 AM

SenseOfDoubt, yes, very good point regarding the lyrics and that fits Dr. Shaw's character traits.


FacehuggerMember159 XPApr-04-2017 6:21 AM

Either Shaw was working with David or against him during his "attacks" on humanoid beings (Engineers, or others).


FacehuggerMember240 XPApr-04-2017 6:45 AM

ha!  I am at work and I just slammed my desk with my hand and said, Eureka!!  David convinced Shaw that the Engineers are naughty...something along those lines and she coordinates with David!  Sounds genius to me.  David might have planned Shaws ship cannot make it back to earth, causing the crash.  There is no reason for Shaw to fly the ship if David can himself.  Or..maybe Shaw was trying to escape many things!


ChestbursterMember907 XPApr-04-2017 7:37 AM

@Davefried that's what is so ingenious about the marketing of this film so far...the trailers raise more questions than they give answers. So what if they show some of the creatures? Everyone knows what an XX121 looks like anyways, and the BIG question is "Where did THOSE come from?".


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-04-2017 8:08 AM

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017


DeaconMember10416 XPApr-04-2017 8:09 AM

See Predator!!!!!!!


Its about the clearest and best shot we can make out who this could be.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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FacehuggerMember500 XPApr-04-2017 8:12 AM

Nuh uh!

Someone managed to edit a very clear photo, and it clearly shows Shaw!

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)


FacehuggerMember437 XPApr-04-2017 8:18 AM

okay at least we know why the engineer Holo-logs are staticy unlike the planet holograms; SECRECY, Clever Fox, Very Clever

Look upon my works, you mighty, and despair


FacehuggerMember167 XPApr-04-2017 9:27 AM

I think shaw was freaked by what the engineer did at the end of prometheus and helps david wipe them out. Drop goo, then go home. But.......


They must get hit by something to make them crash so shaw is put in hypersleep and david waits for rescue.

I think both characters are motivated to do it, but whether shaw could survive a planet covered in mutated goo and a ship with no power is debatable.


Grinning & Dropping Linen

FacehuggerMember245 XPApr-04-2017 10:24 AM

Its clearly the chair and not a xeno or a tail that pops up in the last couple frames.

It does raise a couple points of interest though, Shaw would have no idea how to pilot the ship unless David showed her. If he showed her he is, at least for that moment willing to work with her. He was always amused by her while he had disdain for most everyone else, especially Holloway but you could sense he held her to a special standard, this is all very evident throughout Prometheus. She could be, but i don't think she is colluding with David to destroy the Engineers or flying another ship. 

I still think she is either now dead or has been used or turned into something so awful that it would have been better had she died. But what made David turn on her, we know he has his own interests and curiosities but he did have a certain kinship toward her for some reason, maybe because of her faith or belief amused him and set her apart from all the other humans he held in contempt.

Just makes me curious about what her role will be in this movie, even if her role is small i think her or whatever she has been through will play a huge role plot wise.

Im still not convinced those reports  from CinemaCon are legit with David dropping black goo on the courtyard and petrifying all of the humanoids/engineers in that yard. There are far too many inconsistencies with black goo, pictures that have been released , scenes from the trailers and logic ...i could be wrong but it seems way off to me.

Back to Shaw i love her humming along to this song, if you listen to her voice its broken and sounds emotional or a little distraught, similar to how Ripley was singing "Lucky Star" during the end of Alien to calm her nerves/fears...just a thought

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FacehuggerMember500 XPApr-04-2017 11:28 AM

I think there were dorsal fins coming out of her back, so she was in a state of transformation or she was a victim of a neomorph burst.

Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)


OvomorphMember51 XPApr-04-2017 12:09 PM

What I gather from this is that clearly something terrible befell Elizabeth Shaw. Something awful. She was wrong. She was soooooo wrong...  =D  I cannot ****ing wait to see this movie! I feel like a young kid again, during the month of December, waiting for Christmas! God do I love this feeling! 

"Sometimes to create, one must first destroy." 


OvomorphMember11 XPApr-04-2017 12:32 PM

I reckon David turned her into something.. that looks like a neomorph spike coming from her back, was she the first? 


FacehuggerMember205 XPApr-04-2017 1:56 PM

@ BMacReady 

I hear You! This is so great! And hopefully there's more to come in the future! A great time to be alive!!

              "Bees have hives, man" 


OvomorphMember21 XPApr-04-2017 3:58 PM

Not so sure about the "spike" being part of the chair.  It would have to be a reflection from the hologram but she doesn't move much. The chair is not part of the hologram.

If she doesn't die here, she does soon I think.

I think when her and Dave showed up at Paradise she thought they were there for answers but then David had other ideas and bombed the people on the planet as they docked.  Shaw is in disbelief and terrified at his actions and tries to escape on the ship (what is shown in the hologram) while David is watching the carnage, as was suggested before.  Either she is a victim of one of the creatures David creates with the bombing (still does not explain the "burned" corpses) or he kills her when she tries to escape or she is still infected from LV 232 and morphs into something while she is piloting the ship.

Then again, maybe not.  :)



OvomorphMember50 XPApr-04-2017 4:36 PM

Said it before and I will say it again - Shaw wanted answers, in the end not to her ideals but why they wanted to destroy us. She asked Yanek to stop them, do what must be done, they must never reach Earth. She set off to Paradise with an agenda - she had no way of knowing what would greet her on their home world & for all she knew the entire engineer population wanted us destroyed - on arrival would she take the chance that she was wrong again? Nope - she killed them all or gave them a piece of their own medicine - remember nothing is what it seems!!!


PraetorianMember3422 XPApr-04-2017 4:57 PM

Very good BM.


FacehuggerMember118 XPApr-04-2017 5:39 PM

I think Shaw left that planet with the beings above the one in paradise

Want some candy?


OvomorphMember16 XPApr-04-2017 5:49 PM

Elizabeth Shaw is the "bad guy" in Covenant. David is doing her bidding in exchange for putting him back together.


OvomorphMember51 XPApr-04-2017 8:46 PM

It looks like she's facehugged to me in one photo? This one... 


What do you think? 

"Sometimes to create, one must first destroy." 

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