Dark NebulaXenomorphStaff1206 XPFeb-22-2017 9:06 PM
I like it.Love the reference to the 1979 chestburster "the foods not that bad".
ItsGotAWonderfulDefenseMechanismOvomorphMember11 XPFeb-22-2017 9:11 PM
Important note per Entertainment Weekly: "Luke Scott (Morgan) directed the four-and-a-half-minute preview, conceived by father Ridley and creative firm 3AM."
Seems to be created purely for promotional material. My guess is we won't see this in the final picture.
ninXeno426PraetorianMember3073 XPFeb-22-2017 9:18 PM
Didn't think it was Ridley,thanks for pointing it out.I believe Luke may have been responsible for Ted 2020(?) As well.
airshaft_surpriseFacehuggerMember293 XPFeb-22-2017 9:42 PM
Good prelude, the joviality before the storm.
FishtoesOvomorphMember39 XPFeb-22-2017 10:09 PM
Walter: "iv got your back" lol... we are in for a ride here :) :)
@ninXeno426 Thanks for the link yesterday
CentauriPraetorianMember2267 XPFeb-22-2017 10:18 PM
"they look like ****roaches the size of giant poodles.."? :O
S.MXenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-22-2017 10:20 PM
Goddamn Tropics in hereFacehuggerMember288 XPFeb-22-2017 11:21 PM
I like the overall tone of it
At the end does Walter understand Daniels Humour, or does that grin mean 'Yes, expendable Jerks'
CsaszieeOvomorphMember8 XPFeb-23-2017 12:17 AM
The character of Billy Crudup is the most interesting for me.
His acting is very good I think.
His behaviour is really strange. He will be the captain as we know from the trailer but it seems for me he will be unsuitable for this role. He will make the bad decisions.
rob claytonOvomorphMember49 XPFeb-23-2017 1:00 AM
Im not gonna lie folks, I had a little wee with excitement! The anticipation is really building now.. I simply fricking CAN NOT wait!
Gee WFacehuggerMember141 XPFeb-23-2017 1:20 AM
Oh **** yes! Love the atmosphere here, and the ship looks great (inside and out). Some of the character dynamics are already showing here. I'm stoked!
AortaFacehuggerMember316 XPFeb-23-2017 3:06 AM
That literally brought tears to my eyes.
shoulders of neptuneOvomorphMember29 XPFeb-23-2017 3:07 AM
Nice trick there Sir Ridley :)
Same organic feel as Alien.
Sir Ridley you are In the pipe, 5 by 5!!!
Goddamn Tropics in hereFacehuggerMember288 XPFeb-23-2017 4:12 AM
Did anyone notice the Dog Tags just after they had finished the arm wrestle and afterhug?
AtiPraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-23-2017 4:47 AM
’The right hand of the leader gives the Sarapis (Zeus) blessing and in the left hand is their introduction of Sarapis to Christianity, which became the long-haired "Jesus." So, paganism supplanted Christianity.’
’The back cover shows the Sarapis blessing with the image of Sarapis displayed in the palm of the right hand. The artifacts are building tools showing the desire to create a new society. Some animals are "changeable" ones depicting the change to the new society: the snake changes his skin, the chameleon changes its color, and the tadpole changes into the frog. The tortoise was an emblem of Mercury and Venus, and the Ibis (stork) was universally sacred to Isis and indicates birth — the "new birth" of being like Sarapis. The scales show that all judgment belongs to Sarapis the Judge of the dead. Sculpture shown in G.J.F. Kater-Sibbes, Preliminary Catalogue of Sarapis Monuments (Leiden: Brill, 1973), #1018, plate 32.’
ninXeno426PraetorianMember3073 XPFeb-23-2017 5:20 AM
Your welcome fishtoes
David 7FacehuggerMember488 XPFeb-23-2017 5:23 AM
MonsterZeroXenomorphMember1319 XPFeb-23-2017 5:36 AM
Absolutely awesome! Characters feel realized...hope they have similar scenes in the movie.
David 7FacehuggerMember488 XPFeb-23-2017 5:38 AM
Also, notice the disdain from Crudup and his wife for McBride and his wife. It is Crudup's wife that is in the lab when the neomorph comes forth as Mcbride's wife is the one who dies when she blows up the ship while trying to kill the Neomorph. It was good to see the dynamics between the couples and what they think of each other. I am sure when the bleep its the fan, they will be at each other. A lot of tension between the team will come forth as their captain (Franco) dies early, Crudup is then promoted but also will die leaving Waterson in charge of the whole ship.
I also see McBride as the earlier Parker from Alien. You get the gist that he really doesn't care about being in space and is not impressed as Crudup seemed to be in the start of the prologue.
Very interesting team.
David 7FacehuggerMember488 XPFeb-23-2017 5:57 AM
Maybe Crudup sabatoaged Franco's Cyro-tube and later, Walter allows Crudup to get face hugged and infected because Crudup is really a bad guy...just a thought.
Would explain why Crudup's character is so eager to go down to the planet despite the warning from Waterson's character in the trailer...I think Crudup is a bad egg in this film. There is more behind him than we know, perhaps he is the company plant and knows more than the crew. Just a theory.
AtiPraetorianMember3378 XPFeb-23-2017 6:09 AM
David007, very exciting, so we have Judas as well.
If Franco has the Jesus role, perhaps he will rise from the dead at the end of the movie. That would be awesome!
Neomorph ChestbursterMember739 XPFeb-23-2017 6:32 AM
Good acting is finally back!
Something many fans felt lacking in Prometheus was the adoration and attachment to its characters. This criticism has been addressed and improved upon for Alien: Covenant
Exactly! Those few minutes in the feauturette is well enough a testament for me of believable characters: rough and unadulterated realism, just like I'd personally imagine in a real space expedition with a bunch of happy and excited couples, or just real people having fun together to be blunt.
When that young woman started choking I was genuinely worried that Ridley would ripoff the bloody burster scene, but to my pleasant surprise, I was relieved to see that it was simply a nod to Alien and and an amazing one. This is what I mean:
What if Alien Covenant came out before Alien, and when Kane starts to choke we'd think yet again that he choked on food just like the girl, just to be completely shocked and caught off guard when we see that chestburster crush through his chest the moment after.
If that was the case; well thought Sir Ridley. Retrofitting at its finest. But maybe this wasn't the idea in the first place.
I hope we won't see too many nods to Alien, because as much as I want it I still prefer AC to be as original as possible at the end of the day.
David 7FacehuggerMember488 XPFeb-23-2017 6:37 AM
Bill Crudup is perhaps the Judas of the crew. Perhaps, this is how the company finds out about David and Shaw and the lost crew of the Prometheus. Perhaps, Crudup sends back info to the Company and thus starts the long bloody line of Weyland-Yunati trying to claim the alien. Crudup is a guy who wants to advance and has always been in the shadow of Franco and then Waterson takes command, which upsets him as it did with Franco having his wife do the speech.
I believe that Crudup is villainous in this film in some ways.
I also like the altered voice of Walter. Unlike David who sports a english accent subtlety but Walter is plain, cold and mechanical. Shows the difference of the two androids.
PerfectOrganism937OvomorphMember43 XPFeb-23-2017 6:41 AM
This was AWESOME. The characters interactions felt REAL. Viral content like this really adds to the depth of the movie. My excitement can not be contained. Less than three months away, but it's going to feel like an eternity!!
Patient LeechFacehuggerMember158 XPFeb-23-2017 7:25 AM
I haven't allowed myself to watch much, but I watched this scene and I like it.
Characters have a looser, more natural quality. This is obviously meant to remind us of the dinner scene in Alien, which is cool. The characters in Prometheus were more wooden and stale, so this could be a nice change.
Neomorph ChestbursterMember739 XPFeb-23-2017 7:28 AM
or does that grin (Walter's) mean 'Yes, expendable Jerks'
Very interesting. I still think Walter is the "good" android but I'm not sure yet. Nobody can be sure, and there's a possibility for Walter to do a complete 180° turn against his own crewmembers.
Speaking of symbolism, look at this picture:
Does that background imply "horns" in that particular moment or is it merely a coincidence?
I'm also not sure about Crudup's character in terms of reliability, he acts like he doesn't like the others. But again there's also a possibility that he turns out to be the bravest hero (unpredictable and good storytelling)
Great input from you guys, especially some of the religious analysis that never crossed my mind.
StarloggerChestbursterMember907 XPFeb-23-2017 7:40 AM
Absolutely fantastic! Great writing and acting. Was SOOO fed up with the stilted, low quality dialogue in Prometheus. This gives me GREAT relief!
AortaFacehuggerMember316 XPFeb-23-2017 7:43 AM
Is that a gay couple I'm seeing, Demian Bichir and that other fellow holding hands? If so HELL YES.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-23-2017 7:46 AM
@Aorta Definitely dude, I agree
cuponator3000ChestbursterMember839 XPFeb-23-2017 7:56 AM
WOW. I LOVED it! Really god vibe, very Alien, and great characterization. So Franco is sick, I wonder just how soon he dies. In the initial trailer, Daniels is calling Crudup captain before they set foot on the planet, so it seems that Franco dies early on. I just wonder how that will happen?
I like McBride's character! Someone said it here and I said it i my thread for the clip, but he seems to be the Parker of the crew. He said in an interview that there is not really any comic relief from his character, but he does seem to be the goofiest person there. That isn't bad though! The way Crudup's character and his wife (forgot name) feel about Tennessee and his wife sets up some tension between those two couples and probably everyone aboard.
Most importantly though, what did it mean when Tennessee said, "You're kidding me, right?" when Walter said, "I've got your back."?
AortaFacehuggerMember316 XPFeb-23-2017 7:57 AM
@Patient Leech- this appears to be the first in their viral marketing, not a scene from the film. Everyone should remember that, just like Prometheus, these clips count as scenes.
I can't tell you how many times I rolled my eyes when someone would question Guy Pierce as the older Weyland. I do think viral marketing will be much more effective now than it was in 2013. Prometheus was a ground breaker in a lot of ways.
Goddamn Tropics in hereFacehuggerMember288 XPFeb-23-2017 8:14 AM
@ Neomorph, I concur so many potential red herrings..
David - Good / Bad
Walter - Good / Bad
Initally a lot of folk were claiming Franco was a ' Burke' type, it looks like the 4 chain leak may carry some weight?
Crudip could be a Burke, however the timing of his hug may quash this?
Danny Mac in this is shown as a bit of a Jerk, but I have a feeling he may give his life to save others?
There are also several dog tags on show, so hopefully this quashes any thoughts that they were owed by Shaw
I think Walters relationship with Daniels looks interesting, but again could lead us astray
From about the 10th watch, I have faith he will capature some of that magic from the first film, or give it his best shot anyway bearing in mind it's been done a few times before
AortaFacehuggerMember316 XPFeb-23-2017 9:28 AM
cuponator3000ChestbursterMember839 XPFeb-23-2017 9:54 AM
Haha hi, Aorta!
That would be a twist on our thinking if Crudup turned out to be the shady one. As opposed to Walter (more Aliens than Alien I suppose with the human doing the dirty work.)
Also, I still think that dog tags Daniels finds in the trailer might belong to Shaw. The feel I got from that moment was that it was their first time down there in that cave. If it was a member of the covenant, then we would see more panic, guns, etc. I know a trailer can be cut to change the feel of a scene, but I didn't see any hint urgency.
If the tags do belong to a member of the Covenant, then we will see at least two expeditions out onto the planet (and in it), one being after some hell breaks loose.
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-23-2017 10:42 AM
ATI are you sure your not that Gorilla199 ;)
Joke, indeed their appears to be symbolism, if it was just for that shot with how he had his fingers, its coincidence, but to add to how the clip is called the Last Supper and the Image posted before was very like the mural painting by Leonardo da Vinci and how James Franco (Jack Bronson?) is at he center.
Maybe a nod indeed to Jesus, but we cant be going to literal again as we dont know how many of these are Easter Egg nods and to not have a single baring on the Plot, but are there as Easter Egg/Red Herrings.
However it does open up a debate... and so while i have not read other comments yet here... SORRY FOR BEING SELFISH or if this has been mentioned.... but i will read others input and debate on it.
But indeed maybe not too literally we can maybe assume/speculate there is some connection between the Christ and the Last Supper but not too literal.
Got me thinking and i mentioned this quickly the other day regarding the Photo to promote the Legion FX upcoming sneak peak.
That in relation to the whole Last Supper Vibe....
1) Does James Franco's Character Sacrifice himself in someway?
2) As he is the leader of this group of 14 other crew members, has their been something done to dispose of him.. some underhanded act.... that leads to James Franco no longer able to be the Leader....
Thus who is the JUDAS?
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-23-2017 10:58 AM
"If Franco has the Jesus role, perhaps he will rise from the dead at the end of the movie. That would be awesome!"
Oh dear no lol... joke i do think that would be odd however.... but if instead Franco's Character is just very ill and they have to put him on ICE and so he does not die, but latter he recovers and then plays some role as you stated i think that would work.
Indeed this Viral Clip while it has some flaws, we have to remember its a Marketing Clip and so seems a bit Improvised to a degree. Its just a breaking of the Ice clip with some nice Easter Eggs.
It does seem to indeed point to a number of things, but we cant be 100% this would translate to the movie.
And so indeed as some of you noticed.... their seems to be a bit of a dislike between McBride and his Wife Seimetz and Crudup and his Wife Ejogo, its interesting to speculate on if this has a impact on latter scenes like when Seimetz would not let Ejogo out of that Room.... but then she is following Quarantine Procedures too.
Indeed we also see that James Franco's character is the leader and Captain, and we see that Crudup seems to think he should be respected more, he appears to be a bit overshadowed by McBrides Character and so Crudup i would assume has a lot of expertise and rightfully the one who should be 2nd in charge but he seems to lack the Strong Character and a bit Shy and so this is one weakness he has... where as McBride is maybe just the Head Pilot but a very outspoken Character that may make Crudup feel a bit insecure and drowned out.
So indeed leads to some interesting Dynamics to be set in Motion.
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-23-2017 11:12 AM
I am a bit disappointed with Fassbenders Character, not a good acting job, but then we know he is Fantastic... and so it could be the intended Character Role for him...
He seems a bit Monatone and Robotic but i guess this is the point and i have no problems with that..... its just WTF is that Accent lol... cant make out if its Australian, Meets USA with bit Irish.
So does come across as a Irish Actor trying a different Accent and FAILING.......
But anyone who knows Fassbenders Performances know he is a very good Actor and doing this would be piece of cake... So i kind of think its Intentional.
I am also lead to seeing the Crudup is kind of a bit of a Naive Character like Milburn... maybe thats why Putting his head over a Egg seemed a good idea ;) I also get the sense of his Character being like Davids in Prometheus.. where it seems he feels left out of the group a outsider, a loner and not respected like David maybe felt as far as some treated him.... and we can assume the actions of people against David maybe had a effect on Davids Personality....
Could we see similar with Crudup? a sense of feeling left out and not respected and so when he finally takes Charge what intentions could he have?
I definitely get the sense now that Franco is not a Bad Character and not no Burke Corporate kind. When we first had the Cast List way back last March etc time i was thinking either Crudup or Bichir Potentially could play the Corporate Slime-ball of even a Robot kind of role... Is this kind of role now what Crudup would play? A Sinister Motive, maybe pushed this way due to how he feels Rejected?
Bichir seems to play a joking and goofing around Character and Security and also a Same Sex Partnership with Dean's Character which i think is a interesting and nice touch.
McBride... he seems to be the Jerk of the Bunch, a Joker, a Arrogant guy and reminds me of a Fifield and Holloway, thats not to say his is BAD as far as intentions... i think when S&"$£ hits the Fan.... he will Man Up and be a Heroic Figure?
I THINK its going to be interesting, but i think Ridley will be throwing some Twists and Curveballs.... so who knows who is the Bad Guys or not... and who knows he could be pulling a Double Bluff so we could think hey this character seems Bad..
But is this too on the nose? Ay Ridley you trying to pull wool over our eyes and this person wont be bad...
But then they are in a Double Bluff way.
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-23-2017 11:18 AM
As far as the Dog Tags...
I was always under the impression these belong to someone on the Covenant or maybe a previous mission but certainly not from the Prometheus crew.
Waterstons Face she seems suprised to find them, which must mean if its her crew..... then there has been someone who has misguided their where abouts to her.
Seems she discovered someone's who should not had been there as far as where she thinks they was or where they got to..
So maybe like in the movie a "where did say Englands Character Get too" ?........ oh he went back to the ship, or i have not seen him etc... By either say Walter or Crudup....
Only that then this discovery proves this Character (Walter or Crudup) has lied... or similar.
It could even be Crudup's...... if Walter said he went some place else or no he has not been down here and i have not seen him..... Then Daniels finds this clue that would not doubt get her to Question some of the Actions/Motives of someone else.
I think maybe Walter, as i think David could be painted in the light of not being trusted...... and this moment Daniels maybe finds out some miss-direction/miss-loyalty etc
VipermorphOvomorphMember17 XPFeb-23-2017 1:56 PM
This is going to be a very emotional film! I am GEEKING OUT!!
VipermorphOvomorphMember17 XPFeb-23-2017 2:00 PM
I have watched the prologue over and over, analyzing every little bit that I can! Walter reminds me of Bishop! Does anybody else get that vibe as well?
sosseOvomorphMember66 XPFeb-23-2017 2:11 PM
makes me wonder if all the crew members (except Walter) are in couples...if so then who's together with Uli Latukefu, Benjamin Rigby, Tess Haubrich and Alexander England
and seeing who's together and knowing about some possible early deaths makes it all the more dramatic - and makes me wish for believeable acting cuz of that
BatchpoolFacehuggerMember357 XPFeb-23-2017 3:20 PM
I got the same vibe about Walter reminding me of Bishop. It was the way Walter was pronouncing things and his general manner. The way he reacts after saying "I've got your back", and being asked if that was a joke. That seemed very Bishop.
We know David based his character off Lawrence of Arabia. I hope we get to see where Walter gets some of his character traits from.
VipermorphOvomorphMember17 XPFeb-23-2017 3:35 PM
@ Batchpool, I agree with you!! I think Walter is going to have the best interest of the crew throughout this film..
Goddamn Tropics in hereFacehuggerMember288 XPFeb-23-2017 4:17 PM
Let's hope Walter doesn't watch - Hitler - The Rise of Evil whilst the crew are in cryosleep!
VipermorphOvomorphMember17 XPFeb-23-2017 5:25 PM
I know this is way off of topic, but wouldn't it be cool if we see either Walter or David fight or defend against a neomorph!?
SvanyaPraetorianAdmin4331 XPFeb-23-2017 6:13 PM
The robot should know not to slap someone on the back when they're choking. :/
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-23-2017 7:52 PM
Who knows ;)
Indeed she would have to be the partner of one of those 3 or maybe not? We cant assume as we see 5 Females and 9 Males and a Robot that the other 4 Males are couples? Who knows it seems TWO are... maybe the others are single or maybe they and even Tess Haubrich have partners in Cryo-Sleep?
Michelle JohnstonChestbursterMember763 XPFeb-23-2017 8:31 PM
The perfect choice for Viral Marketing of a prequel, getting to see THAT scene which was always off the page. I am also pleased and relieved that Ridley has pursued the same real people in space feel of Prometheus so that even from this clip I have taken an instant dislike to McBrides character and the bearish gay guys. That whole lets have a party vibe is so irritatingly accurate. I love Crudup and Ejango's reaction I am right there with them, thats the bit missing from Prometheus, the "relative interpersonal" stuff that signposts for the audience where to go emotionally .
I was particularly pleased with Katherine who is nothing like Ripley. She is the optimistic science idealist to Shaws optimistic religious idealist rather than the tough no **** no trust Ripley.
Very relieved to see Ridley is sticking to his oeuvre and despite a reconnoitring force in one of the stills he is going to steer well clear of the Nam hero's and buddy language of ALIENS.
Walter's accent like his name is a riff, but off the other producer David Giler . I n the same way we will visually see the distinction between W & D in the "message" we have it already in his speech, for the uninitiated this isn't the guy that ended with his head off.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-23-2017 8:39 PM
I feel the exact opposite, Crudup's character seems like a douche. We're gonna be happy when he gets facehugged, like I heard some people say looks like Walter is gonna let it happen to him. And really the gay guys, why is it always the gay guys who get no love.
Neomorph ChestbursterMember739 XPFeb-23-2017 10:20 PM
That's exactly what you should do if a person suffers from a severe throat obstruction; back slaps and if not sucessful, heimlich maneuvers. SOP in first aid.
AortaFacehuggerMember316 XPFeb-24-2017 3:37 AM
I'm just glad there are gay people in an Alien film, and that they aren't cast stereotypically. About time.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-24-2017 6:44 AM
@Aorta Ain't that the truth
DPM714OvomorphMember17 XPFeb-24-2017 9:16 AM
Crudup's character reminds me of Lieutenant Gorman from Aliens. Desire to lead and be respected but frustrated by his lack of assertiveness. Prone to make bad choices under pressure - going by the trailer.
For everyone speculating there is a traiter, from where we left off Prometheus all the other crew were killed bar David and Shaw. All their tech was destroyed and they used an alien ship to travel to co-ordination unknown. They had no way to send a message or leave a marker. Hence as of the start of the film we should expect the company has no knowledge of the engineers, the black liquid or the whereabouts of David and Shaw. They would be presumed MIA after going off looking for the fountain of youth for their crazy old boss. Now we know by the time we get up to Alien timeline they do know and they send Ripley's crew with a sleeper agent to bring back a specimen. But for now there is no real reason to suspect there is an agent on board actively looking for these things they simply have no way of knowing about them yet.
Given what we know about David I would say he is the far more likely candidate. We know he is willing to experiment on crew members and in his on words is willing to do things crew members may not feel comfortable performing. And remember what Bishop said to Ripley when talking to her about Ash in Aliens - that the older models were potentially dangerous. David is the oldest model we know of!
MuzzleNZFacehuggerMember163 XPFeb-24-2017 9:41 AM
Crudup's character is desperate to be confident and respected. His dislike of McBride's character appears, at least in part, to be jealousy of the confidence and respect he has among the crew.
It seems pretty obvious Crudup's character will do 'something' that he perceives will give him a chance to be more respected (perhaps tamper with Franco's cryotube to get him out of the way), after which he will assume control and will likely lead to some poor decision making.
I suspect the time between being impregnated and where the alien is 'born' from Crudup may see him confessing and regretting his actions.
BiomechOreosOvomorphMember8 XPFeb-24-2017 10:00 AM
I kind of got this non Ridley Scott vibe from the way the camera shots were setup. Most shots were constantly moving so it makes sense.
MuzzleNZFacehuggerMember163 XPFeb-24-2017 10:03 AM
Further to my comment above, there were several shots of Crudup reacting to comments from others in the prologue (McBride's character, Daniels' comment about 'jerks'). There's also a shot of Crudup and particularly Ejogo looking somewhat disdainful as Bichir kisses his partner. This, in my opinion, is a further nod to the 'Judas' theory mentioned above, and perhaps also suggests that Crudup is a man of faith, at the other end of the spectrum as Shaw, seeing all the sin in people, rather than all the good, as Shaw did. The look Crudup gives McBride when Crudup says the view is 'pure majesty' and McBride says all he sees is a 'big old nothing'. A clear reference to Crudup being a believer, and McBride not. Crudup sees himself as better than these people (as I'm sure he believes God does), and that if given a chance, he would do a better job than Franco in leading them, and than Daniels' with the speech. He is the the bullied kid who retreats to his room to plot his ascension to greatness.
The trailer, along with the prologue, also shows us a hint of this with Daniel's asking Crudup if he's sure about going out there (poor decision anyone!). I wonder how much influence Walter and/or David may have on Crudup? Fuelling his desire to be accepted and respected by suggesting that he will be 'if he can secure a specimen of these newly discovered life forms and return them to the Company'. I mean, can the reference to garden of Eden, tree of life, 'here, just eat this apple/look in this egg' be any more obvious?!
The brief glimpse of fear on his face in the trailer as the facehugger unleashes is the price for selling his soul to the devil.
For the record, I'm not in any way religious at all, so this is my take on what seems to be more than just subtle religious symbolism.
DPM714OvomorphMember17 XPFeb-24-2017 11:07 AM
So these guys are out doing some run of the mill career work transporting stuff to some distant colony. And you think from those 3 minutes that the guy will flip like some guy working at the DMV or post office because he is not getting enough respect and thus decide to kill middle management?! I mean in Alien and Aliens the reason for espionage and betrayal was to get their hands on a super weapon/biotechnology that could be worth billions or used for a mass takeover.
MuzzleNZFacehuggerMember163 XPFeb-24-2017 11:25 AM
These guys are not doing 'run of the mill career work', as clearly stated in Daniels' speech. They're not 'space truckers' like Alien, or Marines like Aliens - they are colonists, taking humanity to the stars (and all that goes with that).
I haven't formed that opinion from those three minutes, but rather from taking notice of what it is we're being shown, in the prologue, in the trailer and in Prometheus. My interpretation may well not be correct, but the symbolism is pretty obvious.
I think the comment you make about espionage and betrayal in Alien, but particularly Aliens is all part of this. The quest for power and greatness is an age old struggle.
MuzzleNZFacehuggerMember163 XPFeb-24-2017 11:25 AM
Multipass....I mean, multi-post!
MuzzleNZFacehuggerMember163 XPFeb-24-2017 11:25 AM
Multipass....I mean, multi-post!
DPM714OvomorphMember17 XPFeb-24-2017 11:56 AM
I think when the **** hits the fan there may be some real tension and backstabbing. Just looked at the trailer again and it looks like Tennessee's wife refuses to let Crudup's wife out of the quarantine zone when it was all kicking off.
chliChestbursterMember935 XPFeb-24-2017 12:14 PM
This is shaping up nicely. The errors of Prometheus (although it’s very interesting indeed) seems to be mended? We will be drawn into a story where the characters intrigue us (in one way or another)? It will be fascinating on all levels - plot, characterization, themes (philosophy/religion/AI)? We will also be scared! I’m looking forward to taking part of all of your reactions after the premiere. This is really going to be something! Can’t wait! :)
suwhitedFacehuggerMember355 XPFeb-24-2017 12:21 PM
I did some serious analysis of the teaser and I was all stoked because I thought I had just about put it together. Then I realized, what if we are being set up by the producers to believe "we have it figured out"--Who's gonna be a hero and who's gonna be the zero?!?
I think we are in for the old "banana in the tater pot" switcheroo. Wouldn't not be surprised if what formulate in our minds based off the teaser and trailer is turned on its head...
Let us sit back and see...!
Michelle JohnstonChestbursterMember763 XPFeb-24-2017 1:53 PM
@Doctor Curt Connors Pay attention. I didn't say I liked the character that Crudup played I said I liked what he said and gave the scene interpersonal relativism. Crudup's performance is clearly layered. He is the earnest ambitious one and his witness of space reinforces that notion against the "I have always got to have a quip and bring it down" McBride. I like both performances indeed all of them but thats quite separate from whom I identify with and journey to the end with, for that we have a movie.
Something I have noticed on these forums are many people can not distinguish between a well conceived stupid character and a badly conceived stupid character. The only bit they get is the character is stupid and therefore wrong. Not so human activity is flawed, thats one not the sole reason but one of the reasons why peoples reaction to Prometheus are so divided. I like Crudup's performance what I think of the character he is portraying is way to early to say.
I also like Ridley's thematic introduction of homosexuality. In Prometheus Milburn was rebutted by Fifield but got the hammerpede instead, in this movie there getting it together. The fact that they are the irritating noisy couple is not a statement about gay behaviour its about behaviour period but we are still in that evangelical slightly touchy phase of gay rights so that there gay will draw a lot of comments indeed I have seen that already, for me its their behaviour not their sexuality that makes the scene. You will notice Crudup and Ejongo criticise McBride and his partner (the drinker) a wise move and avoids sexually politicising the scene. Big mouth McBride offers the positive slant but turns it back on himself .. all good stuff and not distracting.
On a separate point I love the riffs (The tribute to John Hurt the Last Supper) but that does not mean its driving the story though Crudup could play the Judas role. Is Daniels pregnant as she goes into Cryo ?
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-24-2017 6:41 PM
@Michelle Johnston Ummmmmmmm, ooooookay, whatttttt, ya lost me, haha
Roger33OvomorphMember13 XPFeb-24-2017 8:38 PM
Is amazing prologue! this is my first post here from long time, does any body knows where can I reach extended spot titled: THIS HOW IT ENDS? I cant find it. capture:
Roger33OvomorphMember13 XPFeb-24-2017 11:16 PM
Amazing! thank you very much Muzzle. I think the most scary seen till now. Thouse
shrill screems on the tunnel are distressing! LOL
KarstenphdOvomorphMember67 XPFeb-25-2017 1:49 AM
Would someone please explain why centuries into the future the most important member, possibly, of the crew, the Captain, would be sick? Colonizing planets would surely require an in-depth physical. You'd surely screen for flight duty the healthiest, most competent members of the human gene pool. Interestingly enough, at least one gay couple, maybe more or even bi-sexual (I believe Ridley Scott said that he believed while doing the original Alien that there would be a lot of same-sex couples in space, or rather since the limited amount of personnel, sexual shena****n's amongst the crew), but I believe they have 5,000 embryos onboard so every couple need not be for procreation, unless the guys who were a couple wanted to donate sperm, My main question is health, and this seems very intriguing and leads me to think that the company would not allow a dietician on board, let alone Franco to Captain a ship unless he was intensely screened and found fit for space duty. It seems Walter would know what his illness was, or anyone operating a med-pod like their medical officer, and I'm beginning to wonder if this is indicative of some good old behind the scenes alliances and treachery going on for Weyland Yutani amongst the new Burke (or Burkes), evil Ash (Walter), or is Captain Franco faking illness on purpose, or just suffering from a common cold at a time when I thought they had ridden mankind of most illnesses? By the way, I loved the clip of the crew! Almost thought I was at work, ha!
chliChestbursterMember935 XPFeb-25-2017 4:36 AM
I wonder if Scott is a leftie (and feminist)? In Alien he was on the frontier of having a female heroine (which is standard procedure in every sci-fi movie today). We have of course Thelma & Louise and now he is being norm critically correct in introducing a boisterous gay couple.
But when I see the movie I won’t put on any other glasses but the 3D ones (and “feel” the movie). What do you think about AC being 3D by the way? Being Swedish, I sometime get the feeling that it’s only the subtitle which is in front of my nose.
Roger33OvomorphMember13 XPFeb-25-2017 8:33 AM
Another detail! they are drinking the Nostromo's Beer "Rocky Mountain Aspen Beer".
I miss some more details?
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1686 XPFeb-26-2017 4:45 AM
That is a good one, the characters in this clip seem to be a lot better compared to how they were in the whole Prometheus movie altogether. I will keep my skepticism until I have watched the whole movie since this is just a clip. A healthy dose of doubt goes a long way.
Like Dark Nebula I recognized the food reference (about Alien), I like that.
Some references to Alien would be nice but I would prefer if they would be focusing on an original story. I agree with Neomorph about this.
Patient L: The characters in Prometheus were more like, personality types or what ever to say. It was almost like they thought that "this would be the goof ball, this one will be the scared type and so on."
Hopefully they won’t be one-dimensional like they were in Prometheus.
As far as the gay couple goes, well there are gays in real life so why not in movies? That is alright hopefully they won’t be like stereotypical gays but more like people in general.
God damn tropics in here: It would be nice if they have a character that is supposed to be in a way but that does something totally unexpectable. People can be like that sometimes so that would be interesting to see.
I am looking forward to see how Daniels and Walter will interact with each-other.
FacehuggersNeomorphMember1984 XPFeb-26-2017 5:15 PM
Anyone else get the "Interstellar" vibe at the end?
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-27-2017 5:15 PM
"Crudup's character reminds me of Lieutenant Gorman from Aliens. Desire to lead and be respected but frustrated by his lack of assertiveness. Prone to make bad choices under pressure - going by the trailer"
Totally agree, thats what i was trying to hint at and its how he comes across to me also. But maybe if he feels left out and undermined maybe he could then be turned into a malicious Character?
Also DPM714 i will add that indeed Shaw did leave a message, but how is for a while different debate and its covered before as to how this was done...but regardless indeed this wont apply to the Covenant Crew, i feel the Fact Shaw did make a Warning and how could the Covenant not know about this....
Leads me to think because the Covenant was on its way to a destination far far away from LV-223 and then it intercepted a SOS or Message from David that they then go to investigate and change directions to go some place else... (Paradise) that again is not no where near LV-223
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-27-2017 5:20 PM
Indeed this whole Last Supper Viral has that Christ and the Last Supper vibe and so maybe indeed who is the JUDAS? And so your point about Crudup taking Franco's Character out could be a possibility, i would not think he would poison him... i think Franco (Jake) is ill at the time of the Last Supper, and maybe Crudup could maybe interfere with the Cryo-sleep Pod to maybe get him out of the way.
Could he intend to kill him, or just maybe do something to make him more ill that backfires and goes to far? But certainly making Captain Jake (Franco) incapacitated would be a benefit to Crudrup as no doubt he becomes Captain.
But i think it could tease this.... like it will tease David to also be a Bad Guy but i am thinking in both Aspects that WALTER will be the JUDAS
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPFeb-27-2017 5:36 PM
"I mean, can the reference to garden of Eden, tree of life, 'here, just eat this apple/look in this egg' be any more obvious?!
It could be, i think we cant rule that out and its interesting you picked up on maybe Crudup being like Shaw...
Thats interesting and something i never considered, if the captain is Religious and feels like he is a outcast and he finds the actions of the rest of the crew against what he would deem the righteous way of acting as far as how GOD would look down on them.
Maybe when he comes across David, they share a bond because they both felt outcasts on the ship.... If Crudup is Religious like Shaw and Shaw is mentioned maybe it would allow for a conversation between David and Crudup's Character where indeed David can then suggest he has answers that Shaw was looking for and Crudup could be interested...
And sets him up for the FACE HUG... I am however not 100% sure thats David in that Scene.
Indeed thats a great comment about Stupid Characters... it appears the Covenant could be making more of the same Stupid Mistakes again.... Holloway taking Helmet off, Milburn Space Cobra petting and how that relates to Crudup sticking his Face into a Egg...
I think some fans could start to pick up on these things already.... but i do think FOX and Ridley would know that these kinds of things are what got Prometheus a lot of criticize and so i dont think they would go that route again.
I hope the Characters are done better, and i cant see them making such mistakes again and so while we may see what appears to be stupid mistakes... i think we would be shown Good Reason for them... much like the Prometheus Drafts had better ways to explain the few silly mistakes in Prometheus from Taking Helmets off, to getting lost in the Cave and then Handling a Hammerpede... the drafts had these scenes done in a way that they was far more realistic.
LVBankOvomorphMember40 XPFeb-27-2017 9:07 PM
Search "Flounder oh boy is this great" and that's how excited I am about this movie! As always like the comments from Big Dave and I agree the Prometheus (even though I loved the movie) character stupid mistakes were a bit much - I also agree that I gotta give the egg stupid mistake in the trailer a pass- not too stupid I'd cautiously want to see what's in there if I hadn't seen these movies. But I wouldn't go up to a hissing alien that resembled a king cobra like the hammerpede. Hopefully they ironed out the bad mistakes before the movie was completed this time. Without that egg mistake by Kane, the original alien (movie) was never born and I wouldn't be typing this! ...can't wait
Michelle JohnstonChestbursterMember763 XPFeb-28-2017 3:17 PM
@BD Thanks there are two elements to this "stupid" issue which I am sure your understand.
In order to tell a story you have to have jeopardy and some frailties and coincidences have to work overtime to make the story and character move on. These are not public information films about how to deal with "endoparasitoid extraterrestrial species".
"So the helmets are off" syndrome will carry on just as "following up messages" will and if people go to the cinema to micro manage and unpack fiction that they believe should be as real as a do***entary they may as well stay at home. Its the characters that need to be real if a little larger than life.
What may be different in this movie from Prometheus, apart from the more defined story telling values, and its suggested by this vignette is more spoon fed direction on character. In this vignette we already know McBride and his wife are loud and heavy drinkers and other characters have told us. In Prometheus Janek laughs off Fifield and Milburn and makes a joke of them getting it together. If that scene was done Covenant style Janek would have been extremely critical and unforgiving of their stupidity rather than let it go and switch off the monitoring, his response was loose and disinterested that will not happen from the anchors in Covenant. Put simply in a spoon fed movie someone needs to anchor/mediate the neutral value for the audience and this vignette does that nicely. You tell the audience how to feel.
I also suspect Waterston's and Ejogo's characters are going to be admired by the audience as realists who buckle down as the movie develops and therefore we will be rooting for them. Neither seem to have the idealism of Shaw and Ridley will not send a heroic unrestrained believer into space again simply because he will not want to repeat himself so those who tripped up over Shaw/faith should be OK.
Michelle JohnstonChestbursterMember763 XPFeb-28-2017 3:28 PM
@BD Again as you know there was uncertainty and juggling going on with Prometheus as well as Lindelof's more generally low exposition approach. As they are cool with the 121 and Logan has written the screen play from that position of certainty I think Wayne Haag's perception of Covenant in relation to Prom will turn out right. This vignette knows where its going and its about character and linkage directly into the narrative whereas the Ted Talk was much more random and symbolic the two pieces of viral marketing may come to symbolise the difference between the movies.
BigChap72OvomorphMember38 XPFeb-28-2017 9:51 PM
Alien: Covenant definitely wants the audience to care for every character in the film and the character development angle is coming across nicely. I enjoyed Prometheus, but there were some characters that you definitely didn't feel any attachment for, therefore you didn't miss them when they met their end. Covenant is definitely heading in the right direction.
Gravity .86OvomorphMember45 XPMar-07-2017 2:19 PM
So Red Lobster and DiGiornos survive until this futuristic time frame? Way to brand corps!