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VANILLAMORPH: Past or Future?

VANILLAMORPH: Past or Future?

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BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-08-2022 3:46 AM

With the NEWS that there is NOT ONLY a TV Series in the Works but also a MOVIE, we are aware that the TV Series will have Xenomorphs and we can ONLY go and Assume the Movie will too.

My Question is SHOULD we see the Xenomorph as we are Familiar with, or would you be OPEN to them Introducing some Variant of some sorts?

The Xenomorph from ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3, Alien Resurrection and Alien Covenant are all SIMILAR but have some Differences.... the same can be said with BOTH of the AVP Movies.

These are WHAT i have referred to the Vanillamorph as in the kind of STANDARD look that we are Familiar with.  And while each of these has some Differences we can Recognize them all as the XENOMORPH.

And while some of the Differences are more than the Others, lets compare say the Alien Covenant to Alien, these are still some Minor Changes.

Would you like the TV SERIES and MOVIE to STICK to something thats as Familiar as the above?

Or would you be OK or LIKE to see them TWEAK the Design a Little?

This does-not have to be as EXTREME as we saw with the NEWBORN..... but we also have had the DEACON and NEOMORPH that are Xenomorph Related.... but they Differ by Quite a LOT compared to the Original Xenomorph.

There has been a LARGE amount of Concepts over the Years from Movie to Movie that have NEVER been Used (but some Earlier Ones have Contributed to the Design of Newer Monsters, such as the Neomorphs).

Should the TV Show and Movie stick to the Familiar, could they also INTRODUCE a Variant?

And is there any Design from Unused Concepts/Prop work that you would LIKE to see in Future?

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

16 Responses to VANILLAMORPH: Past or Future?

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3846 XPMar-08-2022 4:48 AM

I would like to see a bodyburster and a goreburster on screen

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Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1641 XPMar-08-2022 5:21 AM

Those colors remind me of avocado :D I would like to see new variations of it, some of them that might look very different. I like to think about the Engineers and what kind of monsters that they might have discovered and developed. Having more of the same Xenos would feel like a repetition.

BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-08-2022 5:21 AM

I think it would be Interesting to see Different ways to Exit a Body... i always FELT that ALIEN 3 would have been Better if NEWT was to be the ONE who Chest Busted, that would have been more Shocking..... as i dont think the GORE alone seems to do anything as we are USED to it Now...

Seeing a Female with her Fetus/Child becoming Mutated and Belly Bursting could be Horrific but we KIND OF saw that with the Pred-Alien from AVPR.

We have kind of Seen them ALL.... a Head Buster we have NOT (Hallet was a Mouth Buster). And we have NOT seen the ASS-BUSTER!

My Response to the OT....

I dont think Initially its WISE to STEER to FAR from the Aesthetic of the Vanilla-Version if you would... Certainly NOT as Different as the Neomorph and Deacon (never-mind the New Born).  So HOWEVER they make their Initial Xenomorph Discovery should be CLOSE to the Original....

But then maybe in the Latter Stage of the Movie (or Sequel) or Latter Stage of TV Series or Season 2, then YES i would like to see some CHANGES.... be that Experiments on or a Evolution of the Xenomorph.

I Certainly want to see OTHER kinds of Procreation Explored... (EGG MORPH anyone).

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-08-2022 5:25 AM

"I like to think about the Engineers and what kind of monsters that they might have discovered and developed"

If they go with the Engineers as Canon... or even IF they Reboot the Space Jockey but some PARTS of the Plot are the same (Race who Genetically Engineer/Create some Horrific Biological Warfare of which the Xenomorph is just ONE KIND).  Then YEAH! that would Work and allow for a ALL MANNER of Horrors...

Or.... what Happens to a Infected World after Hundreds of Years.... do we see some Evolution going on to Create something Different?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3846 XPMar-08-2022 7:54 AM

Well the two bursters types I mentioned are in the ALIEN RPG, the bodyburster is a xenomorph offshoot. Since it infects a human host with spores rather than a facehugger similiar to a neomorph however, instead of a chestburster, the host transforms into a xenomorph by shedding its skin.

The Goreburster is the original bodyburster first introduced by Dark Horse Comics. Basically they are gigantic black chestburster that never matures into its adult form.

 

Both variants belong to the Xenomorph XX121 offshoot; Xenomorph XX121AB

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Thoughts_Dreams

NeomorphMember1641 XPMar-10-2022 2:21 AM

“If they go with the Engineers as Canon... or even IF they Reboot the Space Jockey but some PARTS of the Plot are the same (Race who Genetically Engineer/Create some Horrific Biological Warfare of which the Xenomorph is just ONE KIND). Then YEAH! that would Work and allow for a ALL MANNER of Horrors...
Or.... what Happens to a Infected World after Hundreds of Years.... do we see some Evolution going on to Create something Different?”

If they go with the Engineers I guess that they must be made more alien than Prometheus did. I don't count Covenant because they were hardly in it. Maybe they could save some of what we saw in Prometheus but come up with something that add to the mystery. One thing is that the more you answer, the more mystery you got to create and it also got to be interesting.

What if it ends with the Engineers dropping a bio-bomb and the last thing you see is a huge explosion or something similar? That would add some mystery and not explain everything, which is needed in a horror-movie.

BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-10-2022 4:42 AM

Ah! I see what you mean (Different Kind of Chest Buster and NOT the actual Method of where/how they Burst from).  In this case then YES the BODYBURSTER is kind of like the Host having its DNA changed like say the Worms had became the Hammerpedes and like HOW we had FIFIELD in other Concepts.

So seeing a Host become Infected and Mutate from inside into something NEW and seeing their Skin Break and Tear Off as the Hosts Bone Structure etc is Mutated into a HORROR would be Interesting.... in some of the Ideas i have had for ALIEN Stories i had it where a Host could be Infected in such a way.

And so YES something like the Body Burster would be Interesting to see, i am SURE that MANY of us remember as to how ICONIC the American Werewolf in London Scene (Transformation) was to see a Human become a Xeno-Hybrid and this Hybrid Extend and Tear from Under their Skin would be GREAT ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-10-2022 4:51 AM

I think that yeah for some the Engineers were NOT that ALIEN looking but they looked that WAY to FIT with the Ancient Astronaut Plot.... i mean they could all have Ended Up looking like Greek Gods or how Christianity Depicts God in some Works and so we have 10ft Tall Santaclauses ;)

The reason i mention the Engineers in this TOPIC was purely that IF we go for them being a Race who Created Horrors like we see with the Black Goo, then WHO KNOWS as to HOW-MANY kind of Horror was Created/Experimented on LV-223.

It seems like there was 5 Temple Complexes and inside Each there was more than the ONE BIG ROOM like the Big Head/Mural Room... would EVERY such Room in EVERY of those Complexes all ONLY have the ONE TYPE of Black Goo?

And then the Substance can Create Variants/Hybrids depending on WHAT LIFE it would Infect.... so the SCOPE for Various kinds of SPACE NASTIES is Huge.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-10-2022 6:03 AM

I would like to ADD some Context to the Past/Future....

The Vanilla-Variant i refer to as Originating from LV-426 (assumes in Context with the Prequels that Davids Xenomorph gets to LV-426).   And so YEAH the Aesthetic of THESE are Similar......

so by FUTURE i am looking at Encounters that Happen say after 2180 (or after 2122 but FAR FAR away).  Would such Encounters give us our Traditional Looking Xenomorph?

*Could they have Evolved on some World to be Different?

*Could we see them Experimented on to Produce something Different?

*Or should the Xenomorph remain as we have seen in the ALIEN Franchise?

By looking at the Past.... i am talking about Prior to 2122....

*Are the Xenomorphs we have seen in the Franchise found ONLY on LV-426 and so they will all Appear Similar?

*Had something Evolved or been Experimented on to become our Xenomorphs and THIS Organism they Originated from SHOULD it look Similar or Different?

*Was the Derelict the ONLY Ship that had those Eggs and would ANY that are on other SHIPS be Similar or Different?

Again this is WITHOUT looking at LV-223 and the Black Goo as these are Avenues to Many Variations of MONSTER...

And so WHAT i was asking is that say IF we have the New Movie, then should its Sequels also ALL stick to the Vanilla-Variant?  And IF we have the New TV Series then should Season 2, Season 3 etc all STICK to the Variant we are USED too?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3846 XPMar-10-2022 7:35 AM

I would like to see more variants of the vanillamorph, having xenomorph bursting from non-humans is always a fun concept to me. Think of the variations

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ninXeno426

PraetorianMember3070 XPMar-11-2022 12:00 AM

I would like to see different variants like the neomorph but I imagine they'll play it safe with the standard XX121. I personally would love to see the Belugamorph canonized. I know the the neomorph is basically the same thing but I can't help it.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3846 XPMar-11-2022 4:24 AM

I would like to see a canon Beluga xenomorph too, they maybe be similar to a neomorphs in design but the belugamorph is a different creature

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BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-15-2022 9:53 AM

There is some Confusion as to WHAT the Beluga-Morph was, some Interpret as what the Holloway Chest Buster was from the Earlier Drafts, some being some of the Baby-Head Designs of Fifield and some Count it as the Organism that was Removed from Watts (Shaw) and so there was a Number of Designs for Various Morphs for the First Prequel that were NEVER USED.

Holloways is Described as being White/Pale, Gelatinous, Boneless and Able to Move through Spaces like a Octopus can, but Latter it is Described as Standing Up having a Elongated Dolphin like Head, with some Fleshy Skull beneath that Resembles Holloway.

Watts however gives Birth to something that Described as more Armored, the Concept work for this MORPH does indeed look a LOT like the Neomorph. The Ultramorph is also Described as Armored just LARGER and some Concepts for this are the same as Dr Watts birthed BEAST just LARGER. (looks similar to the Neomorph).

So as i have Mentioned we have seen Various kind of the Beluga Design... the Neomorph looks Very Similar to some, and so i ASSUME that you want to see something Different and so the BABY-HEAD Design?

Which was ONE of the Designs for Fifield of which there was Many....

Looking at the Concept Work and some Information from the Earlier Drafts and looking at the Concept Work for some Earlier Work for Alien Covenant, they BOTH to seem to PAINT a similar Transformation of a Engineer who is Infected with the Black Goo.  Which is the SAME kind of Transformation we see for Fifield (however Fifield we have Multiple Different Concepts/Ideas).

I think the Baby-Head would be Interesting to see, say if a Pregnant Female Human (say 12 weeks) was Infected and then we see the Baby-Head Belly Burst Out!

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3846 XPMar-16-2022 11:40 AM

well I am planning on adding a biomechanicanoid creature that could be the xenomorph's natural enemy or counter measure. Using rejected xenomorph concepts like the winged worm headed xenomorph thingy

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BigDave

DeaconMember10357 XPMar-17-2022 4:50 AM

That work by HR Giger had Influenced the Queen from ALIENS. (especially the Hands).

The Head However does seem SIMILAR to  the Organism in the FRESCO in Prometheus.  I think when we look at the Xenomorph and Engineers Experiments then we could Assume to have a LOT of the HR Giger Influence but this does-not mean we will see a LOT of his Work Used, as it would Require the HR Giger Estate to give Permission... 

But any Official Concept and Work he had made for ANY of the ALIEN  Franchise are things they could COPY/USE.  But there is ALSO a Large amount of Concepts for the Movies, most being the Prequels and it would be Interesting to see some of these USED or something BASED OFF them.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Xenotaris

PraetorianMember3846 XPMar-18-2022 12:09 PM

The ALIEN RPG seems to churn out creatures that are based off of unused concepts

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