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RAISED BY DAVID AND WALTER

RAISED BY DAVID AND WALTER

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setaverde

Jul-29-2020 1:19 PM

https://www.ibc.org/trends/behind-the-scenes-raised-by-wolves/6326.article

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“This is not a continuation of the world building done with Alien in Prometheus and Covenant but I still feel this is in the same universe as those worlds,” says Emery, who was second unit photographer on The Matrix and Alien: Covenant, and cinematographer on The Wolverine. “Ridley is particularly interested in using androids as an analogue for the human race and questioning what happens if we elevate the humans who created the androids to the status of god.” 

 

No one has ever seen anything like this before,” - Ross Emery

 

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/raised-by-wolves-first-look-kelly-marie-tran-monsterland

16 Responses to RAISED BY DAVID AND WALTER

dk

Jul-29-2020 2:20 PM

It sounds like it will be a good and thought provoking series. 

setaverde

Jul-29-2020 4:53 PM

To read the full article, open the link in an anonymous window. Sometimes, it works, if you clean your browsing history. 

 

Here's the teaser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Vj4tEyhm0

And some photos:

 

 

 

 

SuperAlien

Jul-30-2020 6:50 AM

Wow, thanks, setaverde.

I have to watch this.

Visuals are great by the pics and it's made after a book, so story and screenplay should be good. 

Thank you Sir Ridley Scott for this gift!

Disney, have a look and learn.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Thoughts_Dreams

Jul-30-2020 8:07 AM

 

Oh, more robot shit. Not personally aimed at anyone here

Leto

Jul-30-2020 8:53 AM

I don't understand the bias against robots. It doesn't matter on the screen - it all depends on the quality of the role writing.

Thoughts_Dreams

Jul-30-2020 11:12 AM

Leto: Thanks for asking so I can explain it. I have always been interested in the human thing. In Alien it was human corruption in the form of the company, in Aliens it was that they thought that they could eradicate the monsters with guns, in Alien 3 it was about how humans try to find redemption when they have done horrible things. My interest in the Alien franchise and movies in general has always been the human adventure and maybe Alien Covenant is the reason to why I started to think about it. Yes we had Ash and Bishop that were well done but they are not what the movies were about. When they start to focus on robots or when the characters are lame that is when I'm losing interest.

Leto

Jul-30-2020 12:33 PM

Thanks for the answer. For me - Alien Universe's robots/androids is the same people, but with synthetics instead of meat inside.

 

>>>When they start to focus on robots or when the characters are lame that is when I'm losing interest.

I would put "and" instead "or". Indeed, sometimes the writing of human characters is lame. But this is not the fault of the androids as such. I am more than sure that if there were no androids in Prometheus and Covenant - human characters would still be written as they were. It looks like it was a plot angle...

 

 

BlackAnt

Jul-30-2020 4:41 PM

My initial reaction to this production overall is very apprehensive. I enjoy great art and film; however, this is just more derivative time wasting chicken head BS!


This appears to be just another cheap entertainment fast food meal that leaves you feeling not so great wasting your time. 


With the dysfunctional populations that will watch this I am most certain it will have all the fast paced attention deficit nonsense with just enough special effects to delight the intellectually inept.


Incredible Art has always been as much about conveying beauty, tragedy, love, war, and all the things of the human condition that compels us hopefully to a more complex understanding about the relationships we have with everything around us through consuming these works.
We all understand Ridley Scott’s various other works where he has introduced many different relationships between humans and androids over the last few decades.


I enjoy a lot of his art work with respect to these themes. Just by looking at the few clips that I saw of this new AI and human subject matter I think it does not look so good at all.
The costumes look cheap. There are large plastic set pieces with blinking lights, high tech monitors, with some green screen of the mysterious planet in the background….SO WHAT….after you have seen a few of these I no longer care how he dresses it up and makes it a little bit slicker for the tv people that need to do something with their time.


Like I said I want real things not this derivative attention deficit jump cut shiny nonsense. I could take the time and cite other more interesting works that are worthy of everyone’s time; but, I won’t cause I do not care for the snapper fish head replies.


So I baited the hook obviously, and I see the fish jumping out of the water around the boat LOL! Let’s see what happens.


Generally I hold all reservations, even when watching a trailer….people when they put out a real shot trailer it usually means click bait….to get those snapper heads clicking that remote to watch nothing but some fast nonsense…..we shall see though.

I think I can save you all some valuable time and effort. Just watch these two clips instead....get a goooooood look!

setaverde

Jul-30-2020 10:28 PM

Androids exist in this missions to solve a real problem of Space travel. You need someone to fly the ship, make repairs, etc., someone that doesn´t gets tired, doesn't sleep and stays always sharp.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrIXM50lzaI

dk

Jul-31-2020 1:41 AM

I agree with Thoughts_Dreams regarding androids to the extent that the prequels focused too much on that aspect. I do think they were well balanced in the Quadrilogy though.

Raised by Wolves seems different though. It's up front on exploring androids raising humans and the philosophical questions that come up. That is the basic premise and I could enjoy it for what it is. That is just where RS wants to go and that is fine- I just don't want to see it as the major theme in the Alien universe. 

The very idea of watching androids raising humans itself is fascinating. There was a good little movie on Netflix called I am Mother that did just that. It's worth a watch. If some call it derivative, well, a lot of movies are that way- it doesn't mean they can't be good.

A little OT- what would be original, and as far as I know it has not ever been done, would have the most advanced AI available right now to write a sci fi story. Even then, it would technically be derivative since the AI would need examples of sci fi and literature from which to draw and some of those stories' elements would surely pop up in the AI's story.

 

BlackAnt

Jul-31-2020 2:09 AM

dk

"The very idea of watching androids raising humans itself is fascinating. There was a good little movie on Netflix called I am Mother that did just that."

Ok so we have not been here before with both Blade Runner movies? We have not already seen this theme play out in all the dynamics of the Alien movies as whole...RS has done a great job in these mediums conveying many interesting and powerful themes. Some how I doubt we are seeing anything new here except the scenes on the green screen change in the background.

I really do not see the point of any of this when so many other great directors have done this exact thing in a lot of other movies for decades...this is not against you dk or anyone else; but, there better be some ground breaking novel new stuff here...I looked at the commercial and I am skeptical of it right now. Saying this good or not is complete conjecture....or in the movie business maybe this has already jumped the shark....sure sure people can act real good we think they are these super advanced AI's. Well not exactly...maybe it is just me. I am with Thoughts_Dreams on this I feel I want to see something new and powerful or not at all in these productions. This all seems derivative. You want the entire cake not just the raw ingredients.

dk

Jul-31-2020 2:41 AM

BlackAnt

Sure, we have been here before but with different approaches on the same subject. I am OK with that. As far as green screens and such, I really don’t care. I was raised on B/W Twilight Zone and Outer Limits with laughable effects by today’s standards, but the stories and characters remain among the best today imo- and I suspect plenty of movies have lifted those ideas and learned how to improve effects from those early shows. As for effects in general, I am not too picky. If the story and characters are good, I tend to ignore visual short comings.

I don’t take offense. It’s just a discussion. But here’s the rub: what exactly is that “something new?” I offered an idea although not a great one. There are tons of shorts on sites like Dust, Omeleto etc that have great ideas but are limited with budgets and resources. Still, there are lots of great ideas where sci fi can go. From watching these shorts, I see the best ones imo are the ones that focus on the human condition and might have as few as two actors during the whole show. They are short, potent and to the point. As far as the next big thing, I don’t know.

It is subjective and maybe a loaded question, but what would be the next big new thing?

setaverde

Aug-01-2020 7:37 PM

As nouns the difference between android and replicant

 is that android is a robot that is designed to look and act like a human (usually male) while replicant is (science fiction) an android that is an exact copy of a specific human, or is indistinguishable from a human.

As adjectives the difference between android and replicant

 is that android is possessing human qualities while replicant is replicative.

setaverde

Aug-01-2020 7:39 PM

The difference from above is 'food for thoughts'.

setaverde

Aug-01-2020 7:54 PM

 I think Riddley Scott wants to build a perspective about a future colonization of exoplanets by humans. He wants to put humans as the gardeners of the universe. The humans inherit the role of their creators, the engineers. Maybe that is his main goal.

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