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Arcturians

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BigDave

Jul-11-2019 8:48 AM

I thought i would make this Topic to Discus more in depth the Arcturians in response to LETO's comment on my other Topic.

"May be Arcturians are closer to Engineers, than humans. Arcturians is successful experiment"

I had said before it would have been interesting to explore them Visually, as ALIENS did lead us to Speculate a few things.

There is more information about the Arcturians on the AVP Wiki Page from some Novels and Games... i have not came across either Source yet.

Are these Canon?  Well Canon can be changed, as what we see in the Movies is considered Ultimate Canon.

I will mainly address ALIENS for this...

It is implied the Species must be quite Attractive for Marines to want to have SEX with them, so they must have some Features that are Sexually Appealing.  They also must be a Species where you CANT make out what is a Female or Male very Easy.

This implies that the Males and Females are quite similar.

*Facial Features may be Similar, and other Features such as Hair (if any).

*Body Shape may be Similar, which could conclude that Females May-Not have Breasts or Males also have Breasts, so that they are Pretty Indistinguishable in that Regard.  We need to remember NOT every Species on Earth have Breasts and Breast Feed so we cant assume the Arcturians are very similar to Humans/Mammals.

*Sexual Organs... it is likely these Species Procreate, we can ponder how... if there is a Male/Female then there would be some Differences as far as Sexual Organs, we have to assume they are a Species you can have SEX with (Females at Least) and so it is likely the Males/Females have Reproductive Organs but they may appear to be somewhat Different to a Mammal.

*How are their Young Born?  Live or Birthed from Eggs that are Laid?

When Speculating about their Origins, they could be Engineered by the Engineers, they could have a Totally Different Origin that is NOT connected to the Engineers.

We could even Reveal they are a Creation by David.

David seems pretty disappointed he cant Procreate, he is made in the Image of a Man but we can assume he has NO Sexual Aesthetic as far as Organs go.   If he found this Frustrating, maybe he would Engineer a Species that can Procreate but where there is Little Difference between GENDER.

Arcturians are also a speculated Alien Race from the Arcturus System that is located about 37 Light Years away, and the references to Aliens from this System are usually depicted as BLUE!

It would have been interesting to see HOW they would have been shown in a Alien Franchise Sequel, as they was a James Cameron creation/idea you have to Wonder how he Depicted them.

It appears the Colonial Marines use their World for some Recreational Therapy after Missions.  For them to pursue this Species for Sexual Pleasure we have to assume one of TWO Things.

*They are Sexually Appealing as in Attractive or offer a Very Pleasurable Experience.

*After Long and Dangerous Missions the Marines use this place for Recreation and become Intoxicated that it really does-not matter how Attractive or What Sex they are.

This Topic is aimed to Speculate about the Arcturian Species in more than just the Sexual Relationship

However from ALIENS i think we can Speculate a Few Things.

*They are a Attractive/Alluring Species.

*There is little Difference between Males/Females that they can easily be mistaken. So for instance Facial Features are similar, Body Shape is Similar, both Sexes may either Possess Breast or both Lack Breasts.

But there has to be more to the Species than these Aesthetic Qualities, maybe they are a Species who Lay Eggs that the Young Hatch from?

If so then from the Eggs do the Hatchlings look like Smaller Versions of the Adults?  Or do they go through some Stages/Molts so there are some Aesthetic Differences through the Growth Stages?

So if they have some Reptilian Qualities/Similarities then they could all look quite Identical as a Species (Male/Female).

We could also Speculate if they are a Creation by David in which case what Appearance would they be Engineered to have, and from what Origin?

They likely are a Pre-existing Species as the David Plot did-not exist back in 1986 and so we could ponder if the Engineers had any knowledge or Interaction with the Arcturians or indeed did they have any Influence on the Origins or Culture of that Species?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

17 Responses to Arcturians

dk

Jul-11-2019 11:48 AM

Maybe they are androgynous or maybe even have a scent that is irresistible to the Colonial Marines (beer goggles)? I only know them from being mentioned in Aliens.

BigDave

Jul-11-2019 2:58 PM

I think Certainly if they are Quite Human looking then a Androgynous Appearance would make it hard to tell.

But also with some Alien Species (Talking in Various Sci-Fi) the Alien Species Features are all similar.  In Reality Humans are kind of Unique in that Male and Females look so Different, some other Species have Differences such as Orangutans and Lions but a Majority of Organisms the Male/Female look the same apart from some Species Sexual Organs and Breasts (where applicable).

If we take the Native Na'vi from Avatar their Features are Very Similar but their Bodies are Slightly Different too.

If their Species were more Androgynous so the Males were Slightly Less Masculine and Females Slightly Less Feminine then Visually you would NOT be able to tell them apart.

Male Na'vi are also Slender, the Females are not Quite Bosom Endowed but there is a different if Physically they were also Androgynous and the Species do-not Breast Feed the Young then you would NOT be able to tell Male/Female Apart apart from Very Close Inspection.

So as i described above, maybe the Arcturians are similar.

I think just because we have other ALIEN Species, does-not mean they have to be so close to Humans. When we see some Franchises take Star Trek for Instance the Various Humanoids, which include those NOT-SO Human looking, a Majority of these Species you can see Differences between Males/Females.  There is a Visual Difference as far as Masculine/Feminine differences but also they appear to have Mammal Traits (Breasts) and so i think we should not really expect Every Alien Species to be so similar.

Forgive me for my Edit Skills (also using Paint Shop Pro 6 from 1999 yes my PC is very Old)  But i took a Reptilian Hybrid Image and attempted to make the one on the Right more Feminine.

So a Reptilian Species may look VERY similar, but then if they are like a Number of Reptiles on Earth then there could be Color/Pattern Differences to set them apart.

So if the Arcturians are similar and have a lot of Reptile Traits then it would take a Very Close Inspection to Discover you had a Male and not a Female ;)

Some of the Expanded Universe Material paints our Arcturians a little too similar to the Xenomorph for my liking.

I would actually have them as a Cross Between the Reptilian and Na'vi as far as Aesthetic and have them as Hermaphrodites ;)   So they have Female Reproductive Organs but also a Hidden Male One

And so actually while Spunkmeyer could rip on Frost, they all actually had the same.

I would also have them Birth Eggs and have them Semi-Aquatic Species.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

Jul-11-2019 3:51 PM

They referenced "Arcturian poontang" which basically implies female Arctarians or at least in appearance. Vazquez never said anything about them either way. 

Then again, Soldier/guy tales can get more extreme with the passage of time- kind of like how a caught fish story grows. They also joked about rescuing females from their virginity.

Maybe it was just male bravado.

BigDave

Jul-11-2019 4:24 PM

Certainly as of ALIENS it was left open!

It could even be a Colony of Humans... we have today the LGBT Community but we also are seeing people who do-not want to be classed as BINARY they dont want to be classed as Male/Female. 

Gender Augmentation Surgery and Hormones have come a long way, we can only Imagine what they would be like in 100-150 Years.  So some Humans may wish to become None-Binary and Androgynous and maybe when other Colonies are Set-Up they could want to MOVE to them to get away from any Ridicule they may get on Earth etc.

Or the Colony could just have HUMANS and become a Place of Pleasure, retreat a kind of Bangkok meets Las Vegas place.  Where there could be SHOWS and Drinking and where there could be some Transgender Acts to Entertain the Punters....

And when the Marines are having a Good Time, and are Quite Drunk etc.... then maybe they could end up with someone who is not 100% Female...

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Arcturian

Seems to be collection of Various Expanded Universe Sources (Books/Games)

The Species are a Humanoid Bipedal Race that have Reptilian and Insect Traits, they are NOT a very Intelligent Species.  They have NO Eyes and use other Senses to determine their Surroundings. (like Sonar)

They Procreate via a SINGLE.... Egg Laying Queen.

So what they are similar to the Xenomorph?  Or something like this?

ALIEN by NDKARTWORK

A lot of the Expanded Universe Material always seems to Center around the Xenomorph or Ripley in how they have to make Connections.

I cant help but think the Source Material for the Arcturian  Species are trying to Tie a Connection with the Xenomorphs.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

Jul-11-2019 4:31 PM

The Wikki is interesting and does sound like the Aliens Xeno in enough ways.

The serpentine female/male/androgynous  aesthetic from HR Giger has always been there as well.

Lone

Jul-13-2019 12:58 PM

The Engineers, or those above them may well have created & adapted many non-human species.

I've always felt that the Urns in the unexplored LV-223 silos contained different Deacon-related variants & or specimens gathered from, completely different species throughout the Universe. Or in the case of LV-223 perhaps just hostile lifeforms, which could be used for destruction. Of course, that was after Prometheus, now I'm not so sure!

I think Jim Cameron may have been influenced by the Dan O'Bannon-Moebius Arcturian from The Long Tomorrow

After all, the Bishop knife trick was certainly a nice homage to the O'Bannon-Carpenter penned Dark Star.

Dark Star "The Knife Game"

What if the Arcturians are genderless shape-shifters, taking the form of anyone you want them to be? Sound too good to be true? Then it probably is, see below :)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

Jul-13-2019 1:12 PM

Could the Mural creature be an Arcturian?

Just for you dk: Gigers Alien Monster VI

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

hox

Jul-13-2019 1:55 PM

@Lone, that's a slam dunk as far as I'm concerned. I'd heard before that Ridley's Prometheus was heavily influenced by Mobius. I mean, that's an Engineer in the bed, and he ends up fighting a creature trying to pull him into an airlock (slide 16)!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cameron had also seen this, and picked up on the Arcturian reference. Seems too much of a coincidence otherwise.

I don't believe the Mural creature is an Arcturian. Whatever it is, it's something nasty picking on the Engineer's liver. We don't know who sent it, but the Prometheus link suggests that it was the handiwork of the Engineer's creators.

Lone

Jul-13-2019 3:11 PM

@hox Yes, that was a bit of a stretch by me & not a very satisfactory one.

Like many here I've wanted to find out exactly what connection this beastie has to the lifecycle. It appears to have some significance given that it is featured above some of the doorways in the Silo and the Juggernaut. I'd love to see a living version of it, but I doubt that it will ever be revisited! If Ridley had been allowed to follow through from Prometheus, then perhaps, but alas, I seriously doubt that we will ever see anything so novel, awe-inspiring & interesting again! 

The murals are perhaps merely symbolic in that they depict the fate of the LV-223 Engineers/fallen angels/clones/Prometheus after they stole from their masters. Meaning that beaked species has no further significance. However much I wish it wasn't so!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

Jul-13-2019 3:19 PM

Ps Indeed hox, Ridley would tell you that MOEBIUS was very much an influence on Blade Runner, Prometheus & Covenant. Even his storyboard style & also his latest ad for Hennessy is packed with Moebius imagery.

Below are two threads you might want to check out, one by Ingeniero, second one posted by Big Dave.

The Seven Worlds - Directed by Ridley Scott

A Parting Gift

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

Jul-13-2019 5:05 PM

"I've always felt that the Urns in the unexplored LV-223 silos contained different Deacon-related variants & or specimens gathered from, completely different species throughout the Universe"

This would FIT Perfectly with the Gardner's of Space Agenda.  We did see in Prometheus the Urns had Various Sizes... which was Strange for a Bio-Weapon.

We have 5 Temple Complexes and it seems Each Complex has Multiple Rooms.  So its Likely Each Temple had a Variant Organism Experiments or even each Temple could have inside Multiple Variants too.

Alien Engineers indicated the Engineers had 7/8 Variants of the Xenomorph and it seemed to imply those were Engineered from something they had Discovered.

I am drawn to the LV-223 Complex being something Very Different in the Past more connected to Space Gardening rather than Produce Xenomorphs and the like.

But trying to get back to the OT...

Yes the Arcturians could maybe trace their Origins back to LV-223 too.

Regarding the Fresco Creature... it does have a similarity to the Door Way Arches especially the Concept Work one.  This Beast is a Very interesting Enigma.   While i DONT think its the Arcturians we maybe cant rule out the Arcturians  having a similar Aesthetic as the Xenomorph was based partly on HR Gigers Concept but it also had Reptile/Insect Influences.  The HR Giger Aesthetic is a Mixture of Bio-Mechanical, Feminine with Reptile/Insect Aesthetic.

The Fresco Creature does bear a bit of a Resemblance to the Male Organism from Species 3.  

While a Different Franchise... Species does use the HR Giger Aesthetic.  And you could see that Aesthetic does have Elements of Humanoid with Reptilian and Insectoid Traits.  

So maybe the Arcturians  could have a similar Aesthetic?

The Engineers Under Pressure Suits have that similar Aesthetic too.

I had about 2 Years ago i think, pondered and i think i mentioned on here then, that i had a idea about the Arcturians as a Species that had a bit of a Agenda for Sleeping with Humanoids...  in that they required from Time to Time our DNA well SEED! 

Going Further that this is required to Create the Male Species which do-not LIVE forever and so they need to Mate with some Humanoids in order to Obtain a Male Versions of their Species.

But ALAS this was many of the ideas i had, that i never Progressed as FAR as in depth Fleshing Out.

I had envisioned their Species to be somewhat Aquatic looking more than Reptilian but still have a bit of Reptilian to them, but also to have a bit of that HR Giger Aesthetic like from Species, but also to have some Human Traits too.

A Species that would say be like 15% Similar to a Grey Alien like Traits, 15% Human, 15% Reptilian40% Aquatic with a 15% HR Giger like Gloss Over.

Grey-ish Blue in Color with some Pattern and a Race that is very Feminine in Shape/Features but LACK any Breast as their Young are Laid as Eggs and do-not get Breast Fed.

Thats kind of how i Envisioned them... but i lack any real Artistic Skills to do them justice in a Drawing LOL

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

Jul-13-2019 9:53 PM

Between Lone's and BigDave's ideas and illustrations, it reminds me a bit of The Thing. It is a shape shifter of shorts but requires a species' DNA in order to mimic it. Just an idea and not suggesting there is a relation. But the mystery of what The Thing actually is seems similar to the mystery of the The Black Goo- something that initially was an accident and took on a life of its own.

Lone

Jul-14-2019 12:24 AM

You're right about that similarity dk ;

Hah, how cool would it be to connect The Thing & the Alien by way of their origin. 

Think of the Arcturians as the exploited pleasure model variant of The Thing! Lol

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

Jul-14-2019 12:30 AM

Ah, I had forgotten about the male counterpart to Sil, Dave.

I like your idea of them needing human seed to produce the male, that would dovetail nicely & at least they would have some positive benefit from such relations, rather than merely being a species exploited purely for pleasure.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

Jul-14-2019 10:44 AM

It was one way i was thinking of making a Story about them, but i never got further than a Broad Base of Plot ideas...

Prior to that i felt they was a Species of Hermaphrodites but latter i considered what do they gain from Humanoids coming to Visit them?  Do they just enjoy SEX?  Do they make Money/Trade from it?

So i pondered that other Idea... but there are conflicts with this as we have to ask HOW did they Procreate for Hundreds and Thousands of years prior?

Did the Engineers perform this Function in the Past or Humans the Engineers had taken to Arcturus?

So yeah there are Flaws in the Needing Human Seed to Procreate.... so maybe not the best idea.  Also makes the Plot a little more like Species too.

The Various Moebius influences are very Prominent.

So the Arcturians as Shape-shifters?  Who knows ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Jul-14-2019 12:27 PM

Excellent Moebius Arcturians reference Lone.  Thank you.

 

Ingeniero

Jul-14-2019 12:30 PM

I love the Reptilian Hybrid image BigDave.  It reminds me of "V".

Great topic.

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