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Michael Fassbender Would Love to Return for a Covenant Sequel!

Michael Fassbender Would Love to Return for a Covenant Sequel!

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Lone

May-30-2019 3:17 PM

SCREENRANT recently reported that Michael Fassbender says he would love to reprise his role as David the android in an ALIEN: COVENANT sequel.

The comment came during a Promotional interview with badtaste.it for X-Men: Dark Phoenix.

Fassbender said he "loves the character [David]" and would be game to reunite with Scott for a third and potentially final Alien prequel, after their efforts together on PROMETHEUS and COVENANT. However, much like his COVENANT co-stars, the actor seemed to have little to no idea if a sequel will ever actually happen, or is even being considered at this point.

In the recent past Ridley Scott stated his plan for the next ALIEN movie would be to explore the type of world A.I. would create when free of humanity, & that the Engineers would return, then pursue David.

Empire magazine’s Empire Classics Alien Special Issue revealed that John Logan’s said to be completed script for ALIEN: AWAKENING, would see the Engineers seeking revenge against David for his genocidal attack on Planet 4's inhabitants. They also interpreted that the film might journey to LV-426 given Ridley’s “We’re actually gonna go to the planet” comment. 

While ALIEN: COVENANT & PROMETHEUS appear to have further split the fanbase, it would be a pity if Scott doesn't get to bring David’s story to a conclusion. COVENANT’s  cliffhanger ending teased a major storyline & love them or not, the prequels have taken the series in an ambitious & interesting new direction.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

27 Responses to Michael Fassbender Would Love to Return for a Covenant Sequel!

dk

May-30-2019 3:25 PM

Interesting. Fans seem divided on David in future films. I thought he was fantastic but also think the focus should be elsewhere. Engineers or WY. David and the Xeno could be there but maybe take a few steps back to let other subjects shine.

Lone

May-30-2019 3:42 PM

Michael was fantastic in his duel role!

Hopefully, the focus of Awakening wouldn't solely be on David. We need the angry Clone Engineers, hell bent on retribution!

Perhaps even a higher power/elders adding to the mix.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

May-30-2019 3:54 PM

...and at least one 25 ft Space Jockey, who saves the day & quarantines a cargo of eggs on LV-426! :)

Please don't let it be David, bad enough that we are supposed to believe he created the Morb!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Dark Nebula

May-30-2019 4:20 PM

I highly doubt that David is the Space Jockey, plus I don't see how would that happen. We know from RS's comments that the Engineers from Planet 4 were the civilians and the ones from LV-223 were militant types. The physical differences might suggest that those Engineers were genetically enhanced for space exploration and combat.

The Space Jockey might just be an enhanced and enlarged version, similar to some Tyrant models from the Resident Evil series, and the Assassin predator from The Predator (2018).

Considering the square-cube law, I imagine the 15ft SJ to look something like the giants from Game of Thrones (thicker legs, wider appearance, etc. which might also explain the differences).

So in the end for the climax the SJ gets facehugged and it dies in its seat giving birth to Ultramorph. And our heroes have to kill it.

I just hope we get to see a xenomorph born from an Engineer on a big screen. They used Beluga-xenomorph from Jon Spaiht's Prometheus script for Alien: Covenant, so I hope they use Ultramorph for Alien: Awakening!

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Lone

May-30-2019 5:01 PM

@Dark Nebula

Who knows, they might have David piloting a Juggernaut with colonist egg cargo? I pray to God that will never happen, but I thought they were planning on explaining who piloted the Juggernaut, though I would rather not know!  

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

May-30-2019 5:21 PM

"They also interpreted that the film might journey to LV-426 given Ridley’s “We’re actually gonna go to the planet” comment."

This was discussed before, its open to debate as its ambiguous, i think eventually YES we are going to LV-426.  But i think at the Present (year 2105) LV-426 has NO Derelict in context to the Plot Change for Alien Covenant but this could change.

It really depends on WHAT is on LV-426 if we go there NEXT?

so we would ask WHY would David go there, for the Eggs on LV-426?  The ONLY way this makes sense would be a Revelation that after putting Dr Shaw into Cryo-Sleep David had gone to the Derelict and taken ONE of the Eggs on the Juggernaught with him and began to Create a Hybrid.  so he could return to the Derelict to Obtain some more, and likely his best bet then would be LV-223 to Experiment/Evolve.

But there cant be nothing more than the Derelict on LV-426 if we went such a PLOT...  as this would conflict with the Franchise for example if LV-426 had many Outposts or Egg Silos etc.

However.... all indications to me seem to suggest that RS had planed at least TWO movies, maybe a Third before we get to ALIEN and the NEXT one would be more about "What Kind of a World" that David would create that would be about AI (Artificial Creation that is Intelligent) and NOT about Xenomorphs.

The Engineers are interesting, because RS had suggested the Prometheus Engineers are-not the Originals...  when looking at  the Themes of Prometheus, and his comment about AI as in Replicants are AI... then YES i think he wishes to show the LV-223 Engineers as Enhanced/Created versions of the Engineers, so are they like David/Replicants or a Group who had played God to Engineer themselves to this way?

The Size Difference could be a Oversight!

The Space Jockey was intended to be 26-27ft but the Illusion was only 21-22ft as soon as Kane, Dallas and Lambert entered the Chamber.... but this Illusion was Broken when using the Real Actors (not Children) Up close and so our Space Jockey was 15ft Tops!

But indeed the Space Jockey is Larger and different Proportions than our Engineers, so maybe this could be explored?

Who knows if they can throw another Curve-ball by the Space Jockey is what David Creates?  But this would upset Fans as much as him Creating the Xenomorph.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Dark Nebula

May-30-2019 5:26 PM

After Prometheus and before Alien: Covenant, I think RS did say that the derelict was taking off from LV-223 and was going somewhere else, but the pilot got infected with the pathogen and it crashlanded on LV-426. Ever since AC came out looks like things got changed (like fuck, a lot of things can change in 30 years).

I was writing my own script (which is like 5 to 10% complete) where I tried to explain the origin of the derelict and the ovomorphs, but I gave up on it because I was busy with other things. 

In it, in the prologue which takes approx. 2000 years ago on LV-223, the engineers were leaving but they lost control of the pathogen. While the whole pyramid was on lockdown, the pilot Space jockey along with a couple of other engineers managed to escape from LV-223 but he got infected with the pathogen and the ship crashlanded on LV-426. That was the prologue, for the rest I planned David to arrive on LV-426, and finish with his creations inside of the derelict, then the engineers would come and battle the xenomorphs. With this, I wanted to tie in with Alien: River of pain where Newt's parents found inside of the derelict bunch of xenomorph and engineer bodies, along with the bodies of the xenomorph queen and the engineer who fought each other to death.

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

BigDave

May-30-2019 5:30 PM

Regarding Fassbender... i think it really is logical he wants to reprise his Role as David, he understands it was a BIG Role, and that Davids Role has YET to have a Conclusion.

The Problem with the Prequels being in LIMBO is the Longer it takes, the Older Fassbender gets, and David is supposed to appear as a Male in his Mid-Late 30's

So the longer it takes, we could end up with...

*Oversight

*Use of CGI Overlay

OR.....

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Lone

May-30-2019 5:35 PM

Well, we can probably forget about another sequel from Ridley, if Jim Cameron is flaunting his prequel idea in front of Disney, plus the way things are, the interwebz haters will be loudly on board with his idea!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

May-30-2019 5:39 PM

@Dark Nebula

Indeed RS had pretty much Spoon Fed what happened to the Derelict in comments after Prometheus.... i can find the exact quote... but here are the points he made.

*The Event is related to LV-223 Experiments.

*The Happened within a Few Hundred Years of the Outbreak we saw in Prometheus (Hologram Scene) so either about 1800 years or 2200 years prior to Prometheus.. give or take.

*The Derelict did-not Crash, its intention was to Land on LV-426

*The Pilot had got infected with his Cargo (something had Evolved in the Cargo Hold and got to the Pilot) the Pilot did-not get FAR before knowing he was infected, and so he set course to Baron LV-426 to Quarantine the Cargo.

*During the Final Moments of the Landing he set off the SOS and then he began to enter the Chest Buster Phase and thus Crash Landing on LV-426

I found this information interesting and had me considering that the HAMMERPEDES had lead to the Eggs, and also infected the Space Jockey.  But looking at the Neomorph then some Engineers could have Unknowingly had became Infected with some kind of MORPH. (as in it was a Microbiological Infection)

But then we have ALIEN COVENANT... which seems to be changing the PLOT... 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

May-30-2019 5:49 PM

"if Jim Cameron is flaunting his prequel idea in front of Disney"

This is just a Rumor.....

As i mentioned before this makes NO sense... as i am sure the Rumor was a ALIENS Prequel and not a ALIEN one... this would be SILLY if it is about Ripley... as how is Miss Weaver gonna pass as a 33 Year Old Ripley?

The only way would be if its about Amanda Ripley and they use Miss Weaver to play her, with some changes to make her look a little different...

Of course such a Plot would have to take place 5-10 years prior to ALIENS... but then HOW do you have Xenomorphs?  But there could be a way to do this, as we had seen in Alien Isolation.

GOD Help-Us if James Cameron was making a ALIEN Prequel as i am not sure he would respect what Ridley Scott had been doing, regarding Prometheus, but who knows...  surely it could be WORSE... like a ALIEN Prequel that has Ellen Ripley.  I would only want to see Ellen Ripley again if we are doing a Continuation to Alien Resurrection.

I do think its Unlikely we will see Ridley Scotts Prequel Conclusion, and i suspect some of the ideas he was to explore with the Covenant Colonist and "What Kind of a World" that David could Create/Build have been Carried over as part of the Ideas for his Raised by Wolves TV Series.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

May-30-2019 6:00 PM

Let David remain a mystery like the SJ and Deacon. Best to go out on top than overstay your welcome. 

Or let the prequels be a dream and continue with the Quadrilogy :D

Engineers and/or WY seem worthy to explore.

BigDave

May-30-2019 7:36 PM

While OT.... and in reply to Dark Nebula as far as Space Jockey.

This would be the Approx Scale Size Difference and Proportions of the Space Jockey vs Engineer.

@DK

This causes a Dilemma.... because some Fans would still expect more Clues to the Xenomorph, and Clues to show that David.... DID-NOT create them!

In Hindsight yes it should have been left a Mystery and Alien Covenant should NOT have happened.

If we had a Return to LV-223 that would indicate the Xenomorph was Ancient and on LV-426 for Thousands of Years, then this would appease some Fans... and then get them to Question so WHAT is exactly David's Creation.

Which we could then leave a Mystery... or it would leave a Alien Covenant Sequel open to then NOT explore the Xenomorph but something different... there would have to maybe be some Dialog about the Xenomorph however..

This could be covered as Follows... in a Conversation between David and another Human...

David walks over to Lieutenant Williams throws water over him... he awakens.

LT Williams

"what have you done to those Colonist"

David

"Done? i have done nothing to the Colonist they are not worthy of my Effort"

LT Williams

"those beings they are barely human anymore, what have you done"

David

"those beings, they are my Children, my Creation, there was potential in the Human Genome, but Mankind are a Flawed Creation, a Imperfection Created by Imperfect Creators, but so much Potential"

LT Williams

"your Children? what happened to the Colony Embryos"

David

"a Embryo is neither a Child or a Person, it is a Stage of Life that is the Beginning, the Begging of Change you can not call a Embryo a Human, but i have taken these Embryos and i have Evolved them, i have Perfected them beyond what Mankind could ever had hoped to Evolve"

LT Williams

"you crazy £$£%$ you cant go playing GOD"

David

"God, this is what you pitiful fools called your Creators, but they are NO Gods, i have surpassed them my Creations are Superior to anything they had ever achieved"

LT Williams

"you are deluded, you wont get away with this"

David

“Nothing is so painful to the human mind as a great and sudden change.” "i am not crazy on the contrary i am a genius, look on my works and do despair"

LT Williams

"there is nothing to despair at your works, i find only pity in what you have attempted to do, create abominations dare you play God"

David

"oh there is despair, A human being in perfection ought always to preserve a calm and peaceful mind and never to allow passion or a transitory desire to disturb his tranquility"  Mankind are wicked and do not deserve the Life you had been granted, i have created a Race that are worthy"

LT Williams

"worthy what makes you deem what is worthy, what you have done is destroyed those Children"

David

"destroyed, i have Evolved them, i have created a World of Peace and Tranquility, embarking on a Civilization that is worthy"

LT Williams

"what Civilization can come from such Cruelty of your experiments"

David

"I do know that for the sympathy of one living being, I would make peace with all. I have love in me the likes of which you can scarcely imagine and rage the likes of which you would not believe. If I cannot satisfy the one, I will indulge the other"

David removes a tarp revealing a Glass Canister inside a Egg

David

"behold my other Creation, I have not only Perfected the Engineers Lamb, i have taken their Wolf and Perfected this too"

LT Williams

"what the Hell is that"

David

"that is what your Creators sought as your Ascension to Perfection, but those would be Gods could not Create Perfection, i have taken their Angel of Death and Evolved it"

LT Williams

"death"

David

"indeed your Gods Cursed your Creation, they wished to undo their Creation, they attempted to Create Something to replace you, something that they could not control"  I have taken their Wolf, and created Perfection from it"

LT Williams

"untie me at once, you  Monster"

David

"Who shall conceive the horrors of my secret toil as I dabbled among the unhallowed damps of the grave or tortured the living animal to animate the lifeless clay"

David walks over to the Container, removes the Front, and takes the Egg and places it on the Floor near Lieutenant Williams

LT Williams

"what the $%£&, no please stop!"

David

"It is true, we shall be monsters, cut off from all the world; but on that account we shall be more attached to one another"

Fingers appear from within the Egg... then the Organism from inside jumps onto Lieutenant Williams Face.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

May-30-2019 7:36 PM

EDIT: Double Post...

But save Waste the Space...

I think we have to consider other ways of HOW do we introduce the Engineers if we are to ignore what David does next!

A few Foods for Thought...

Considering the Advent Video, its likely you would assume the Company would go to LV-223 and Planet 4 at some point, never mind Origae-6 (where David is likely going).

Also IF the Engineers discover what happened, they would see maybe the Bodies of Humans, they would maybe Find Walter and see his Likeness to Humans... IF such Humans only exist on Earth, you can bet thats a Place on the Engineers to Visit List!

IF the Engineers arrive at Origae-6 and deal with David, then unless they are Destroyed you would assume the Engineers may want to pay Mankind a Visit which could CONFLICT with the Alien Franchise.

So it would be interesting so see how else the Engineers could be introduced, if not for the Pursuit of David.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Leto

May-31-2019 3:16 AM

IF the Engineers arrive at Origae-6 and deal with David, then unless they are Destroyed you would assume the Engineers may want to pay Mankind a Visit which could CONFLICT with the Alien Franchise.

Not necessary. Engineers can attack Earth between Alien 3 and Alien Resurection. First squad of Engineers go to Origae-6 and give to us the Alien prequel. But second squad (or all they civilization) can go to Earth after some years after Alien 3.

And maybe Planet 4 is the homeworld of Engineers. But they a space race - they can have thousands planets for them civilization. And I mean them - Engineers civilization, not planets for they creatures - it can be millions?

And i think - Engineers can have different scales or nature (biological, biomechanical). Maybe some Engineers really grew from the chair.

Lone

May-31-2019 3:48 AM

For those of us who appreciate the vision of H.R. Giger & ALIEN's Lovecraftian themes, COVENANT was a turnaround of sorts. 

While it's another fine example of Ridley's visual skills & a showcase for Michael Fassbender's talent, it's backtracking from the story set up by PROMETHEUS, mish-mash of ideas, not-so-subtle Alien Universe tropes, alongside the pretty heavy handed expansion of David's character, left it muddled & for the most part confusing & unsatisfactory as a follow up.

Ridley had the right idea when he made PROMETHEUS. It shifted the emphasis towards something new, while  respecting & connecting to Lovecraftian themes, Dan O'Bannon's ideas & H.R. Giger's artwork. It was a beginning, which is why those elements were tempered, but could have developed & gone further towards the cosmic horror created in ALIEN with each sequel. 

I feel it was brave, sophisticated & polished. Sadly, some of the backlash created by PROMETHEUS caused the studio & perhaps Ridley himself to get cold feet. That's why we ended up with COVENANT rather than the originally intended sequel.

FOX were afraid of pursuing the story Ridley intended. I doubt that Disney will feel any differently. The themes & story beats explored & opened up in ALIEN & PROMETHEUS are not for the average cinema goer. 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Svanya

May-31-2019 5:40 AM

I'd watch Fassbender in anything, he's an amazing actor. He's the best part of this series imo. 

BigDave

May-31-2019 7:31 AM

"Not necessary. Engineers can attack Earth between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection."

I agree, my point being that it would be a case of WHEN would they attack and WHY would they wait all that long?

If the Engineers come back say between 2105-2120 they would be very concerned with HOW it is that Humans can Travel the Stars and Create Beings that can use their Technology...  as a Race who maybe interact with Hundreds of Worlds/Races or even if its less or more... then Earth is just ONE World, so they could be Concerned and they would likely want to go to Earth and DESTROY US... unless NONE survive the Encounter with David and the Horrors that come from his Experiments.

If the Engineers are FAR spread across the Galaxy, then maybe only a Few Ships arrive back at Planet 4 and they go off after David and NONE Survive...   That does-not mean that Hundreds of Years latter some more Return to Planet 4 and Discover a message left from the Previous Ships that arrived between 2110-2120 say... and then these recently arriving Engineers say in 2220-2330 then go off to Earth etc.

So YES that could introduce them back into the Franchise between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

May-31-2019 7:46 AM

Spot on Reply Lone ;)

I personally think while David was not best executed in Alien Covenant, i dont think he was that bad... i think you could explore and evolve his Character, have him become more than just a Genocidal Maniac as some only see him as.

I had some ideas on how to do a Alien Covenant 2 and 3, which were Alien: Ascension and Alien: Absolution but both ideas would likely NOT fit in a 2 Hour movie and so would be like 3 Hours Each lol   The idea would not be a very ALIEN movie though, and there would be NO Engineers apart from a Set-Up for the 2nd Movie which then would END with us being at ALIEN

So Alien Ascension would be more about "what David World Creates" and how things go to POT when Humans Arrive, its actually not too FAR off what Ridley Scotts upcoming TV Show Raised by Wolves sounds like only i submitted my ideas MONTHS prior...

Alien Ascension would have some Monsters... would maybe need to be a Part 1 and Part 2 or i have to make a Idea between Ascension and Absolution.

But Fans who dont like say a Mountains of Madness, Prometheus, Blade Runner, Space 2001 etc would likely NOT be interested in such ideas i had... Absolution would be more Action Based and like a AVP (to a degree) with Engineers lol

But i think this is what Ridley Scott Faces too, many Fans and Disney may just want to see a Aliens/Alien Resurrection kind of Flick!  I think the Thought Provoking and Chariots of the Gods like Plot/Ideas are too BOLD for a lot of Fans who are used to what they get in the Comics ;)

Maybe Prometheus should have NOT been a ALIEN movie, by that NO Weyland (replace with different Company and Name for Owner), have the Planet not be a LV world, and the Engineers Ships/Technology not similar to ALIEN as in looking like the Derelict/Space Jockey but they could still have that HR Giger Aesthetic.   And Finally have Monsters that are LESS like the Xenomorph.

Then as a Stand Alone Movie/Franchise thats NOT shackled down to be ALIEN, i think Prometheus could have been a Interesting Franchise.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ignorantGuy

May-31-2019 8:09 AM

BigDave you are correct he is not just a Genocidal maniac, he is also delusional to the highest degree, a rapist (he said that he will do the same thing to Daniels as he did to Shaw after which he sexually assaults her). Why might even be considered a N***. In my mind he is a character from a Hentai.

Space 2001 (2001: A space Odyssey?) or Mountains of Madness (At the Mountains of Madness ?) might be some well know movies but I've never heard about them,

BigDave

May-31-2019 8:33 AM

I think the "i will do the same to you" can be ambiguous.

What had David done to Dr Shaw?   Experimented on her to Create his Monsters...

But then we see him try and KISS Daniels... we could certainly assume that David had Grown Feelings for Dr Shaw and became Deluded that he could have some Relationship with her...   so he maybe made some Advances to her and she FREAKED out.... became concerned...

David does-not take Rejection well... its likely that Dr Shaw also Discovers what David had done to Planet 4 and the Engineers and the Experiments, and then David likely gave some Excuse and Reason, saying he was doing it for HER and offer her a chance to Create a New Eden... could he have said he could find a way to allow her to BARE Child?

So again she maybe Rejected this too, and then realized David has gone Crazy, and so then tries to Escape, which then David takes as Dr Shaw being the same as every other Human, and then WELL.... this is when he decides he has OTHER plans for her.

You have to Wonder.... if Dr Shaw had also gained more than Platonic Love for David... and she had welcomed him Destroying those Engineers who wanted to Destroy Mankind, and then using Experiments and Engineer DNA he could allow Dr Shaw to give Birth to Humanoids and Start a New Eden.

Then would David had turned out the way he had?

Why i am drawn from RS comments, that maybe David would see Origae-6 as a way to Start a New Civilization, that he will intend for those Innocent/Pure Embryos which he may Evolve/Perfect as his own Humanity and Govern over with some kind of Love/Care....

Until some Humans arrive and David's Children then wonder what they are seeing, and they become Corrupt with knowledge the Humans hand down and Discover David is NO GOD, and then maybe the Discover other Truths about David and then the £$"£% Hits the Fan and David has to UNLEASH his Horrors (Xenomorph) on this World!

I have a feeling that Raised by Wolves may carry a lot of ideas that RS may have intended for Alien Covenant 2 the kind of TV show that would be, i feel would not be Accepted in a Alien Movie for a lot of Fans..

Many are plain and simply Fed up with the whole David ARC and it being about him.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Lone

May-31-2019 5:39 PM

David is a warning about what could happen if an A.I is set free of restriction & human control. In PROMETHEUS, he was the flip-side of the Clone Engineers, who turned on their own masters. By COVENANT, the damage he sustained plus lack of maintenance has resulted in his maniacal behaviour.

That reminded me of Ash, when he attacked Ripley, hell bent on killing her, fellatio style, with the rolled up magazine. Both he & David are 'impotent', which seems to contribute to their treatment of the women who question their actions or motives. It provokes seemingly berserk behaviour!

The problem is that in COVENANT, on the one hand we have mad scientist David's over-the-top Peter O'toole-Lawrence impression, with it's seriousness, intellectual rumination, flute obsession & literary quotation, set against the Covenant crew as monster fodder, action-horror storyline. Those elements do not gel successfully. The more I watch COVENANT, it feels like two films spliced together.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

ignorantGuy

May-31-2019 10:46 PM

Lone "David is a warning about what could happen if an A.I is set free of restriction & human control.[...] By COVENANT, the damage he sustained plus lack of maintenance has resulted in his maniacal behaviour."

Can't you see a contradiction in your statements there? Even if they had put all those restrictions on him what good they would have been in case of severe damage? This could work only as a cautionary tale against AI plain and simple. Which is the same old story since the appearance of the term Robot.

And why would Weyland make a "perfect" boy with sex drives but also impotent?

@BigDave

"which then David takes as Dr Shaw being the same as every other Human", yet he does not have a shrine to every human and a full collection of porn mags of them. This is the kind of behavior of stalkers (rapists) if anything.

I think the world presented in Raised by Wolves will not have the deranged sex offender baggage to it. But the funny thing is Netflix is Releasing I am Mother next week beating RS at this game.

Lone

Jun-01-2019 1:44 AM

@ignorantGuy

It is the same old story, Ridley is the one who discussed the dangerous A.I. aspect in interviews. The irony being that in trying to get away from the over-cooked beast, he focused on a crazy A.I. which is also nothing new. David's evolution has been interesting nevertheless, though not to everyone's liking.

At the end of the day there is very little in Sci-fi which has not been seen before. Old themes & concepts are constantly being recycled & reinvented by script writers & directors. 

Why would you create a synthetic who has the potential to go haywire in the way that David did? (It wasn't until after ALIEN that the ASIMOV protocols were put in place.) You would think that someone as clever & influential as Peter Weyland would have had more foresight. Apparently not!

Just to confuse matters, Walter apparently had 'upgrades', which had nothing to do with Weyland, but whoever took control of Weyland Corp after Weyland's death. Yet, Ash was not programmed with those protocols. It's rather messy as it stands.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

ignorantGuy

Jun-01-2019 4:36 AM

@Lone Ash was as a Hyperdyne Systems model according to Aliens, not made by WY. As was Bishop according to avp.fandom wiki. And you know what? The relationship between Ash and Bishop seem similar to David and Walter, both were upgraded with emotion inhibitors. How can something full of nostalgia be scary?  

Lone

Jun-01-2019 8:49 AM

Good point ignorantGuy Now we just need to ask Ridley if he considers that canon in his Alien Universe! :)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

Jun-03-2019 6:17 AM

"I think the world presented in Raised by Wolves will not have the deranged sex offender baggage to it"

Certainly what i mean is there was more to David than that, and it appears Ridley Scotts comments regarding the Sequel would be about AI and what World David would create.  That will NOT be about Xenomorphs.

Looking into his comments about AI he said that Replicants are AI and looking at how he claimed the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and looking at the Tale/Themes of Prometheus/Bladerunner.

Then looking at the Crossing Viral, and the Alien Covenant Trailer SongI was drawn to David having the Potential to be kind to a degree, depending how he felt treated.  And so i was drawn to think David may Evolve the Human Embryo's to become Evolved Humanoids which David would Raise and Govern over and who knows what kind of Creation Story and Rules he sets for them.

Then when another Human Ship comes in and then its what interaction between these Humanoids and Humans, and then what impact this has on Davids Children.

And so we see that Knowledge is a KEY thing... David was allowed more Free-will and Knowledge compared to Walter, Lucifer the same compared to the other Angels.   And its the Upbringing, Free-Will and Knowledge that Shaped Mankind to become what was against what the Engineers would have intended.

My Prometheus sequels ideas i had discussed on here about 2013-2014 had touched upon a similar Plot...  David and Dr Shaw would go to a World to Discover Engineers and HUMANS, these Humans brought up in ways that are not Corrupt as Mankind became....  then Dr Shaw interacts with these Humans and they learn of her Faith, and her Mission to Discover her Creator, and this Starts to Interest those Humans, and so the Engineers become Concerned and then aim to SILENCE Dr Shaw before she can Influence those other Humans.

This in part seems similar to the Raised by Wolves Plot, and in part its something i was drawn to maybe where RS was taking the Sequel (prior to Raise by Wolves Announcement).

Raised by Wolves seems to be about TWO Androids who are Raising Children on a Distant World, and have passed on certain Knowledge that Maintains a Certain Culture, then when incoming Humans with different Religious Beliefs turn up they Influence the Civilization those Androids are trying to Raise, and this has some Complications and maybe Confrontations.

I had pondered if Alien Covenant 2 would be similar, as in David is those Androids, and the Children are the Embryos which David will raise and Evolve...  Then things go to POT once Humans from Earth arrive.

Thats what i was drawn to from RS comments...

If we only go by the Advent and Alien Covenant, then you would be drawn to David just experimenting on those Humans and Embryos to get Thousands of Xenomorphs and then he needs a Ship thats by LV-426 so you assume he would take the Covenant to LV-223

So David continues his Agenda to Evolve/Mass Create his Xenomorphs and Unleash them on Humanity!  But his comments regarding the sequel seems to indicate to me that THIS is not the case.. NOT for the Next Movie... but certainly things will be very Xenomorph in the 4th Prequel.

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