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The Fox in the Mouse House

The Fox in the Mouse House

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daliens

Mar-22-2019 2:30 PM

Guys, what do you think of this recent post by Deadline about the Fox film staff's future after the Disney-Fox deal?

"While uncertainty abounds, other producers seem a firmer fit into Disney. Chernin seems secure; 21 Laps makes Disney-esque movies like Free Guy, the Ryan Reynolds-starrer that is expected to be a Disney tentpole for 2021. Ridley Scott’s Scott Free seems also a good bet to stay: beyond the next  Aliens installment that he’s working on, Scott is expected to next direct Merlin, a live-action movie on the formative years of the wizard, for Disney."

"We’ve known for some time that film chief Stacey Snider won’t be part of the Disney future, even though she has been in her office this week. Watts has long been known as a very strong executive, and several have said she is about the only one there who has been clued in on the Disney plans. Does she have the clout to prevent Fox film properties from being repurposed as TV projects or as streaming projects on Hulu and Disney+ with low budgets and no back-ends? Sources said that in the recent past she fended off an attempt by Hawley and FX to take the Aliens franchise and turn it into a miniseries, and when Searchlight once wanted to do something with The Omen, she held fast because who wants to give up your franchises? She did that before the Disney deal, when it was a whole different ballgame."

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

15 Responses to The Fox in the Mouse House

dk

Mar-22-2019 7:33 PM

I think FOX would not go with the Scott story but instead invest in Cameron's more action heavy (?) approach for now. As much as I would like to see RS's story arc, I just don't think it would put as many asses in seats as what Cameron or even Bloomkamp might do. Disney needs to go after what will rake in the most money. It seems to be a gamble. Will Disney make the safe bet or take a risk? After the numbers of RS's last two movies, I would lean toward the former.

daliens

Mar-22-2019 8:51 PM

Could the fact that Stacey Snider turned down a miniseries by Hawley mean that she wanted Ridley Scott to go on with the prequels first?

In an interview for Variety from 2017 she said: "It was a disappointment, but I trust Ridley [Scott] and Emma [Watts] to know the right story when they find it. When universes are as rich as “Alien,” they can stay in a too familiar groove — in which case you’re in trouble — but they can also find a planet or a storyline or a villain that also lives in that universe that can be groundbreaking.."

 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

daliens

Mar-22-2019 8:56 PM

What does it mean: beyond the next  Aliens installment that he’s working on?

Is Ridley Scott working on something we will find out on Alien Day?

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

dk

Mar-22-2019 10:25 PM

A lot has happened since 2017. Going for a crowd pleaser blockbuster seems like the best way for Disney to jump in with the Alien franchise. Use Amanda? That seems realistic. A reboot? That is possible but could alienate old farts like me if not done right. A reboot of sorts using Amanda with Ellen's backstory could work though- Isolation is very true to the franchise while not interfering.

Making a movie from  a book or comic? That could also work. 

I don't see a reason to put much stock into what Snider says, but I could be wrong.

daliens

Mar-23-2019 1:33 AM

I don't know if Amanda would do. Maybe it works in a video game or a digital series, but not more. Amanda is a name better suited to a cartoons character. Maybe we don't need any Ripley connection for a reboot. They should start anew, for many there can only be one Ripley, and that's Ellen. And would be interesting to make the xenomorph a smarter beast.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Lone

Mar-23-2019 6:10 AM

What does it mean: beyond the next Aliens installment that he’s working on?

Not sure daliens 

Is it purely speculation on the part of the writer or does he have some insider info? Unfortunately, given that there are no links to anyone quoted as giving out this information we are left with nothing concrete. 

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

HYPERNOVA

Mar-23-2019 9:53 AM

A WEYLAND tv show charting the near-future, Robocop type hypthetical technocracy We would be living in heading ever further into a Blade Runner-like Earth. Dabbling in exotic concepts that have a concequence of spilling into Our daily lives providing a false promise/hope to better Our world & world view but down the track the bubble bursts & We are left with a Blade Runner-like choking world making Us want to get off the Earth & travel the stars.

But, equally interesting is after being "out there" & knowing what bad state the world is in due to the over-advancement of technologies across the planet We would rather want to come back here to the choking smog & atmosphere than be wandering out there.

A limited show between events could chart the slow upward ascention of a key few & the downward economic slide of the many.

HYPERNOVA

Mar-23-2019 10:40 AM

Maybe if Disney ok's another Alien-verse film, this one can serve as a continuation/conclusion & a reboot (of-sorts) rolled into one so We possibly get Ridley Scotts talk of an A.I.-based film as-well-as introducing new themes or advancing & augmenting older ones to seem fresh, if possible to connect with Alien.

Even to serve as the introduction to a streaming theme based on what the next proposed film presents to Us.

BigDave

Mar-23-2019 10:41 AM

It seems she was a Fan of Ridley Scott and Supporter and Champion for his Projects, its interesting that FOX was considering a TV Series a while back.....  but with the Disney take over, i doubt she would have as much POWER/CONTROL over what ever Disney wishes to do with the Franchise.

It appears she does value FOX's  Main Franchises, but as to how much of a ROLE or how much control she would have now, thats anyone's guess and it depends IF anything was thrashed out during the Take Over that would allow her a certain LEVEL of control as part of the deal?

Regarding Ridley Scott and his ideas... i think his vision for the Franchise was the right way to go, there is only so much SNARLING and CHEST BURSTING and EGG LAYING that you can do after-all.

The Problem in HINDSIGHT was that the Prometheus we ENDED up with was Toned down too much, so some Alien Fans never had enough Answers (but sometimes some things are better off left a Mystery) and more so there was just not enough ALIEN like Content...  Even if Prometheus had a bit more of Alien Engineers to it, so say our Fifield was more a Hybrid, and we saw a Neomorph like Organism escape from Milburn,and latter attacked some of the Crew...

some Fans would STILL! not be happy, they would expect to see Traditional Xenomorphs, and Clues to HOW the Eggs are made, which again some would EXPECT the Queen to be shown in this role...

Prometheus was supposed to be something that would loosely connect to ALIEN which can then go off on its own Path to expand beyond Ripley and Queens..  it was NOT intended to be a Literal Prequel as far as would Chronologically lead to ALIEN, and its sequels would have STEERED more further from Ripley and Queens.

But as it was a Alien Universe kind of Prequel, the Expectations were there from FANS! In HINDSIGHT if the FIRST Prequel had a few ALIEN Monster encounters more like Alien Engineers, and offered less vague clues to LV-223 and its connection to the Derelict on LV-426.

THEN....  they would have given Fans more of what they needed, and then would have been allowed to take the Sequel to a NEW Direction and Steer Away from ALIEN.

This would have allowed FOX to go TWO routes... bring out another ALIEN movie that could be connected or not connected to Prometheus. (Set Alien/Aliens) or prior to Alien or Aliens.   But also then allow another Branch to go off with a Prometheus 2 and the Engineers.

Where Fanboys have to accept the Prometheus Franchise is something NEW... but also get some ALIEN movies that would tie into what the First Prequel had shown...

But ALAS!

Having to Cave in to assumed Demand, and give the Fans Eggs and Xenomorphs and a Prequel Series that will eventually lead to ALIEN  they have the Juggling Task of HOW do you continue with Prometheus and Themes, while also having to Literally Connect to ALIEN?

Your going to find the Balance Hard, or One Aspect will suffer from Sacrifices... they tried to Balance it out, and KEEP it that David plays a KEY role...   The route and themes must NOW be more ALIEN by Virtue of the Change of Direction, if they try to make a NEXT movie that would not cover the Xenomorph and try and be about Creation/David then it would just be a Distraction from whats expected from now on... which is to JOIN THE DOTS to Alien.

AND SO..................

with that in mind, i agree with what DK has said, and Disney will look more for what would get more Bums on Seats and make more Money. Having Misled us with a Literal Prequel Series, and that AC Poster... its going to be expected to have a more ALIENY set of Prequels next.

And so i feel any too deep ideas that RS had would be a Distraction and most of his ideas would sadly have to be By-Passed...

THIS... does not mean we have to abandon the Prequels, and give Fans a Cameron's Fanboys Wet Dream.... which no doubt would be more RIPLEY than Alien Covenant was David..

I think we should get a AFTER-MATH to Alien Covenants Sequel that is more ALIENY than Alien Covenant and would Answer HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got on the Derelict.  

Or a Prequel that would SHOW/DETERMINE that David's Xenomorphs are NOT and Can-not be those on the Derelict... in either case its so we can close to the DOOR to ALIEN.

Then any ALIEN movie set after ALIEN i feel should explore some of Blomkamp's ideas BUT not bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt... Jonesy lol.

Or carry these ideas on as far as a ALIEN 5 thats set after Alien Resurrection....  That could show Ripley being tricked and experimented on to obtain the Xenomorph... or even have her experimented on that Extracts all Xenomorph DNA from her..... making her Human Again, at the Cost of Aging her!

I think a ALIEN 5, ALIEN 6 and ALIEN 7 that will be about Ripley would just get BLAND!  Regardless of if this is a continuation Trilogy after Alien Resurrection or a Reboot Trilogy of Alien 3.

The ALIEN Franchise does-not and should-not be about RIPLEY!   One more MOVIE with her would be Fine! But not if its a Reboot of Alien 3.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-23-2019 11:06 AM

@HYPERNOVA

As discussed on your Topic i do think a TV Series about other aspects of the Franchise would be ideal, be it WEYLAND or be it COLONIAL MARINES...  The Problem is how many would be interested in a Weyland TV Series, and some would expect a ALIEN connection... and any Colonial Marines TV Series they would expect it to also be connected to Bug Hunting Xenomorphs!

Your Alien-Verse movie post above, again i think it would be interesting to mix elements, but anything that connects the ALIEN Prefix would be expected to be about Xenomorphs..   The Prequels leave many Loose-Ends... that could be explored in a more ALIENY movie that would NOT have to be about Traditional Xenomorphs.. Sadly it comes down to What do you Call it and gain interest so people would know what its about, because if you do this by adding a ALIEN Prefix... so say Alien: Leviticus were another Mission goes to LV-223 and they Discover more about the Sacrificial Rituals of the Engineers and maybe Mankinds Role in them too...  But then some Fans would expect to see and want to see more Traditional Xenomorphs than something NEW.

Alien: Leviticus was a working Title to one of my Prometheus Sequels i had in mind.

I think it would be interesting to see how Raised by Wolves does...   then it would be interesting to see if Ridley Scott via Disney could indeed cover another SCI-FI TV Series be it NOT connected to ALIEN.. or a Weyland TV Series or BladeRunner one..

Back to the OT!

"Ridley Scott’s Scott Free seems also a good bet to stay: beyond the next  Aliens installment that he’s working on"

Who knows what this means.. i guess we would know by Alien Day this year... or in Interviews after Raised by Wolves or Merlin Projects... if there was another ALIEN Project that Ridley Scott was working on, i would expect information on it at some point this year, even if its to say "YES there was a Project but it was canceled in XXXXX Date" if we get to Alien Day 2020 and we still have NO News on any ALIEN Projects be it TV/Streaming or Movie and be it Ridley Scott or Blomkamp or Cameron... then if we have NO news by Alien Day 2020 then i think we would have a good idea of Disneys plans for the Franchise.. which may just END-UP being Comics, Novels, Games and Merchandise.

Because i feel if Disney will pursue another Movie or TV Show within the ALIEN Universe i am sure we should have information/confirmation within the next 12-13 Months, if they indeed have such plans.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

HYPERNOVA

Mar-23-2019 11:06 AM

As for David, I always thought it would be great to have Him exploring His "quest" to be more Human than Human (borrowed irony from Blade Runner intended) like data in Star Trek: The Next Generation but then when He finally understands what it is like to be a Human being & is perhaps gone through changes biologically somehow so He is a sort of "new" life form on the scene that truely thinks & feels then by an over confident slip-up or lack of foresight,  He lets his guard down & unbeknownst to Him a Facehugger egg is nearby & gets facehugged before He has time to enjoy being a: "Being".

But will now know the fear He instilled in others when He unleashed horrors upon them the chicken would now have finally come home to roost & karma being visited back upon You.    

daliens

Mar-23-2019 10:17 PM

Is it possible that Ridley Scott is working on a new Alien installment in secret?

He will not start shooting for Merlin before this fall.

Since he finished All the money in the world, Ridley Scott only shot 2 ads, for Turkish Airlines and Hennessy. He was still involved in various other projects as a producer, but did he give the impression that he might be engaged in a new Alien film?

Would Fox greenlight another sequel before the Disney deal was complete? 

Did Ridley Scott agree with Disney for the Covenant sequel already and then he'd carry on with Merlin?

We get news of an abundance of Alien staff this year, like a new game, digital miniseries, the Tongal/Fox shorts, comics, all before the Alien Day. Why? Why not keep something for the big day?

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Ingeniero

Mar-24-2019 5:52 AM

"Is Ridley Scott working on something we will find out on Alien Day?"

Please someone scream "yes".

The releases before the big day daliens sure seem to point toward that. Great news! Thank you.

"Because i feel if Disney will pursue another Movie or TV Showwithin the ALIEN Universe i am sure we should have information/confirmation within the next 12-13 Months, if they indeed have such plans."

I'll settle for another unclear statement about an Alien: Covenant sequel from Ridley Scott even if he yells it next to "get the hell out of here" from behind his garden wall BigDave.

If we have to wait any longer for an update on an Alien: Covenant sequel then society may just fall apart. It's that simple.

BigDave

Mar-24-2019 3:37 PM

@HYPERNOVA

Indeed when i saw Prometheus for me David came across a little of a Pinocchio kind of Character, and even prior to Prometheus when looking at Trailers and then noticing this SHOT below i thought this looks a bit on the Short Side, as indeed the Engineer does-not look anywhere near 7ft in this SHOT, and so i wondered IF this was either David being granted, or somehow changing himself to be more HUMAN (well Evolve his Body) or it could have been Weyland being Granted a New Body or Evolved his Body for more Life.

But then when a latter Trailer/TV Spot came to AIR which showed a Blonde Head on the Floor of the Juggernaught (it was either David or Vickers) i suspected that this was Davids Head and so that Shorter Looking Being over Dr Shaw could NOT have been David.

So that reveal cast doubt on any Pinocchio like Theory i had been draw to back then (prior to release), i had however still considered such a PLOT-TWIST as for potentially what could happen in Prometheus 2 as i was drawn very much to a  Pinocchio like Arc for David at some point, which could lead to a Great Hubris.

The Walter Viral that appeared to be somewhat Part Organic, and looking at David only having ONE hand, does still draw me to a Plot where David will Upload himself into a Walter Body and thus becomes a Synthetic Construct which then leaves him open to becoming infected with either a Face Hugger like Organism or the Black Goo.

I still think this would have been the ULTIMATE Goal to show how the Xenomorph gains its more Mechanical Aesthetic in ALIEN,  It is kind of the route i was thinking for my Alien Covenant Sequel Idea, only that a Incoming Female Synthetic Construct becomes the route to the Bio-Mechanical Beast from ALIEN.  a Female who David becomes Fond of... and the TWO ideas i had were she Betrays David and so he infects her... or the Engineers Infect her and David seeks Revenge.

Back to the OT...

I think only time will tell if RS has been working on a secret Project, but i have my doubts... especially if its a MOVIE due to the Budget that would cost, and in light of how disappointing Alien Covenant was both Financially and Critically so it would be  a RISK, especially if the Plan is 2-3 more Movies to ALIEN, because the Next would would leave the Prequels Dead in the Water, if it Disappoints/Fails.

But who knows... i think IF there is one being worked on, or if it was being considered, and some production had begun or was planned, then i think we would HEAR about it within the next 12-13 Months.

If such a RS Project exists, or any Alien Project then i feel ALIEN DAY this year the 40th Anniversary would be the IDEAL date to make a announcement.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

Mar-27-2019 8:41 AM

I don’t know but I would rather have a TV-thing rather than a David movie. Another David movie would be shit. As far as a general thing I am not sure if enough people would be interested in another prequel since the first two were poorly executed.

The prequels tried something new which I am kind of happy for but the characters were mostly weak and the emphasis on David was lame. I do not think that they need to spell everything out because having something to think about is interesting. Having the Xeno Fifield would have been enough for me because it looked awesome and it would also have had some better connections to the goo and the Xeno thing. Sure some would not think that it was enough but it would have been enough for me to make us see that there was a connection between the goo and the Xeno. Engineers + goo + life-forms = Xeno, that is how I would like it to be but things got worse with Covenant.

Having it about David is one of the things in the prequels that annoys me. They should never have gone that route, another thing that I do not like with Covenant.

The Engineers looked like they were connected to the SJ so having them as a big part in it would have been alright to me. They just needed to explain them a bit more. We have the SJ as a start that we can use to develop the Engineers. Not having the Queen was a good thing, I think that it is too early in the evolution of the Xeno to be at that stage.

Ridley should not affect the story, he is a good director but when he is trying to influence it then things get effed up. Let him throw out ideas and then people can accept or reject them but he should not have as much of a say as it seems now to be now. I agree that we have had enough of Ripley, let her be.

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