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ninXeno426

Mar-15-2019 9:21 PM

I'm pretty sure I recall reading that Alien Covenant was supposed to have significant ties to Ellen Ripley. It obviously did not. Does anyone else recall these claims?Or am I imagining crap lol.

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BigDave

Mar-16-2019 10:19 AM

This is a tricky one as its a bit ambiguous regarding IF he meant that Alien Covenant has a Ripley Connection or that it will lead to one via the Covenant Ship

This made people WONDER is Daniels Ripley's Mother or some other connection?  Or is Ripley on the Covenant Ship in Cryo-sleep or at least some Family Member.

Some interviews with Waterston and Ridley Scott did tease around a Daniels Connection...

Ultimately it could have meant that the connection is that Daniels is like a Spiritual Successor AKA intended to be the NEW Ripley of the Prequels, and this is what the connection i feel would have been.

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Ingeniero

Mar-17-2019 7:44 PM

It looks like the video where Ridley Scott spoke about this was taken down but some of the transcript, below, is in the article ninXeno426 (source).

"We’re heading toward the back end of the first Alien so [using CG] may be feasible. I don’t think it’ll... but Ripley’s going to be somebody’s daughter. Obviously. We’re coming in from the back end. The time constraints, of what’s the time between this film, where we leave David going off heading for that colony, I think you’re probably two films out from even considering her."

Chris

Mar-17-2019 10:01 PM

Ingeniero is right, initially Scott alluded to a connection to Ripley, but ultimately it was scrapped since Covenant again represents one of 3 or 4 prequels required before we actually result in the original Alien. Personally, I'm glad there was no connection to Ripley in Covenant.

Lone

Mar-18-2019 4:40 AM

Funny you should bring this up ninXeno, I was just thinking about it the other day!

Yeah, I'm kinda glad it didn't happen, not in Covenant anyway.

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Ingeniero

Mar-18-2019 5:25 AM

Ridley's comment was very funny to me at the time so it stuck. 

Ripley is somebody's daughter.  Thank you for the update Mr. Scott...we were already aware Ripley was NOT formed from clay. Every female character in Alien and all Earth women are somebody's daughter.

daliens

Mar-18-2019 6:27 AM

I think he meant: Ripley is not my daughter.

Didn't he wanted Ripley dead at the end of Alien? Why would he want her back now? 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Lone

Mar-18-2019 6:38 AM

daliens Exactly! Why would he want a connection to Ripley? *Cue Cameron* 

Perhaps it was another idea which the suits tried to force upon him, whether he liked it or not?

Puts me in mind of this little sequence I made a while back!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Ingeniero

Mar-18-2019 6:57 AM

That's wonderful Lone

Yes daliens...and a xenomorph with her voice talking into a space walkie-talkie. I am really glad someone hit the brakes on that.

daliens

Mar-18-2019 7:19 AM

Look what he said about the Hennessy suits, at their own event:

“They sent me a script which was interesting, because it gave me an opportunity to do my thing with their thing. I was not to know that they were really a tough bunch of sons-of-bitches, so I really didn’t get away with anything, but that said, coming to the table, I like people who are strong,”

The suits from Fox asked for more aliens, less engineers, Ripley, or at least her mother, a queen??, a Predator??

For Ridley, Ripley is Cameron's daughter and the queen fits better in AVP + AVPR kind of movies.

Fox or Disney or who the hell is in charge now will go ahead with Blomkamp, Cameron, Shane Black et Co. because this is all they can dream of.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

BigDave

Mar-18-2019 4:20 PM

That Interview was a bit ambiguous...

His response was to a Question about Ripley appearing in Future Movies, this is where he had suggested you could introduce her and De-Age her with CGI.

The Ripley is someones Daughter, should not be taken into account too Literally, he may just be pointing out the obvious that she would have a MOTHER and its maybe not suggesting that her Mother would be on the Covenant or another Ship that arrives at some point during the Next Few Movies that are set prior to ALIEN.

We have to consider the Covenant appears to be a ONE-WAY Mission, those Colonist set off on a 8 year+ Journey, they would not arrive at Origae-6 until the year 2112 and so 10 years prior to ALIEN.  The Colonist would likely be heading to Origae-6 to make a NEW Start and unlikely to Return back to Earth/Our System.

So we have to consider a few things, UNLESS they change a lot of Canon as far as Places of Birth and Dates.

Ellen Ripley would be about 12  Years Old when the Covenant Mission Departed, WOULD her Mother Leave to Start a NEW LIFE on a World 8+ Years away and leave her 12 Year Old Daughter Behind?

If Ripley is on the Covenant Ship with them, we have to ask HOW long does she remain in Cryo-Sleep because we have to assume 8+ Years in Cryo-Sleep would not have Ellen Ripley appear as a 20 year Old Woman when she arrives at Origae-6 and even IF it did, then her Background/Training does-not fit with her arriving on Origae-6 in the Year 2112, having departed Earth aged 12, and then 10 years after they arrive on Origae-6 we have Ripley Aged 30 head to LV-426 on the Nostromo?

Logically this does-not add up and so i think we can RULE-OUT having Ellen Ripley on the Covenant.

So then we have to ASK!  Would her Mother leave her 12 Year Old Daughter while she takes 8 years to get to Origae-6 and then even if she just stays on Origae-6 for a Year or Two then heads Home...  then Ripleys Mother would be AWAY for 17-18 years...  Can you really see her Mother doing that?

So i dont think Ellen Ripleys Mother would be on the Covenant Mission either!

The way i read into the Interviews is that RS was indicating that Daniels would be like a Spiritual Successor and so the NEW Bad Ass Ripley like Character.

The CGI element i think was just in response that you could introduce Ripley Back using CGI at some point...  but its quite what he means by that?

A Blomkamp Alien 5... as in IGNORE from Alien 3 on-wards?

A Prequel were at the END of the Last Movie of the Prequels, we are taken to a point where Ellen Ripley is enlisted on the Nostromo or point when they stop off to welcome New Member of the Crew ASH on-board?

As surely we know Ripley and the Nostromo had NEVER arrived at LV-426 until 2122, and the Derelict would surely had been there for more than a few Weeks/Months!

A part of me was wondering if this CGI comment with Ripley could be RS considering to continue with his Movies after ALIEN and thus Remove ALIENS from Canon?

This would cause the BIGGEST S$"% Storm of Backlash in the Franchise from Fans however...   So maybe after his Prequels... they had indeed intended to do a Reboot of Alien 3, so that we get a ALIENS Sequel with Ripley and the Gang back, that could lead to future movies that would connect to RS prequels and Engineers?

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BigDave

Mar-18-2019 4:31 PM

"Didn't he wanted Ripley dead at the end of Alien? Why would he want her back now?"

Indeed he intended a different Ending, and the Imitating Her Voice to Lure People in/Fool People, was because RS felt the Xenomorph would go on to show signs of being VERY intelligent,  so you can bet IF he had been able to had done a Sequel to ALIEN then the Xenomorphs would likely had not been as simple a concept as Cameron's BUGS!

That being said, if we look at Theatrical Releases, then the Xenomorphs in ALIENS appear to be just as IF not more Intelligent than our ALIEN Big Chap who basically stalked the Crew and killed them off like a Cross Between a Alien Natural Predator and a Space Jason Voorhees

The Egg Morph showed the Xenomorph had a Objective  and was not just going around KILLING for the sake of it. I think Ridley Scott wanting to show the Xenomorph killing Ripley and then Imitating Her Voice, would have been a step to show the Xenomorph as a Intelligent Organism just as the STARBEAST Ancestors were in the Earlier Drafts.

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Lone

Mar-18-2019 6:03 PM

This is what Ridley told Empire magazine in Sept 2015:

In a way it is Prometheus 2. It’s exactly the same story. But it was always in the works to be called that [Alien: Paradise Lost]. Is Prometheus actually taking us off course from where I’m going, which is actually backing into the first Alien… I’ve even got connections with Ripley [in this], but I’m not telling you what.

 

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

daliens

Mar-19-2019 5:39 AM

IMO to have the xenomorph imitating Ripley would have been terrifying and with a lot of potential for better sequels. A similar effect was used in Annihilation and it was weird and alieny and scary too.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

BigDave

Mar-19-2019 9:00 AM

@Lone

Yeah that was the one interview i remember were he teased it would have a Ripley Connection, and if i recall he and Waterston did some interviews/press releases where the Ripley thing was brought up and there faces seemed to tease maybe there was some kind of Plan.

But i believe it was just in terms of making Daniels a NEW kind of Ripley Character compared to how Dr Shaw was not a Ripley type Character.

I cant see how there would be any other way of a Ripley Connection to Alien Covenant as far as the Crew/Colonist unless its NOT a direct connection,  so it would not be Ripley at all, or her Mother.. but potentially could be a Sister, Brother a Uncle, Aunt or Cousin.

I think it was connected via the ARC of Daniels Character, so that at the End we see her as more of a Ripley, and maybe the Next Movie should would have become even more than Take No %£$^ Bad Ass Ripley Character

@daliens

I have never seen Annihilation i have to check it out, i think certainly if RS had kept his idea it would have added a layer of terror to the already terrifying Beast

But i kind of prefer how we got our Xenomorph, and having them Talk would be a bit ODD!   But maybe they took this idea and used it with Predator as those Aliens did Mimic Human Voices.

I think to run with RS idea and expand it would have been interested if we saw the Xenomorph could infect/inject something into a Host and have Control over them. So say in the instance of Ripley we would see her contact the Company, and even via Video she could talk to them but have a kind of Blank/Robotic Expression...  Then when the company arrive they turn up to meet Ripley (or whoever) and then they just appear to be in a trance, and not talk at all...    As the other Humans take a close look... she Grabs them.... and Holds them tight... they ask to be let go, then we see the Xenomorph come from above and attack!

I feel this kind of Control/Mimic Trick would be something interesting to have explored.  They could also use a Human in this way to Communicate.  But alas we had seen similar already done with Independence Day... but as ALIEN Franchise was older, i think IF they had done this First it could have been pretty Terrifying and Interesting at the same time.

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Thoughts_Dreams

Mar-19-2019 9:27 AM

Yeah I remember that, I am happy that they did not have that in AC because that would have been a really bad idea. They don’t need to throw Ripley connections into every movie, she had her movies so that should be enough.

BigDave

Mar-19-2019 9:28 AM

Just checked out the Trailer for Annihilation, seems interesting, it does look like its borrowed quite a bit from Prometheus as far as the Mutation of Organic Life into something NEW (sometimes to Create, One must First Destroy).   Some elements seem to be taking a Prometheus Internal Juggernaught look too.

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