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BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-14-2019 6:05 PM

I said the other day i had a interpretation of Ridley Scotts Short Film/Advert for Hennessy XO.  Video Here

Here is my take on it.

The RS Advert is interesting, to me it seemed to show a Species arrives at a world and they Discover some Liquid Substance (This World seems Baron/Desert) The Substance has some Special Properties, it seems implied this Substance may have Formed the Baron World, where within the Rocks this Substance had formed/stayed.

The Substance seems to have Particles in it (we see similar with the Goo on Davids Finger) it also Levitates, the  Substance seems to have no real effect, but we then see the Humans mixing it in little Pools, (i had mentioned before about the relevance of needing Water/Liquid for the Goo to work in the way we saw in Prometheus).

Rising Heat.. is Act 2

We see a World that has more Sand/Dunes and Sand Storms (Sand Tornado's, like we saw Silica ones in Prometheus).  The Humans are dressed in WHITE and we see some Giant Bald Humanoids as if made of this Substance, its implied these Species have a Good Relationship with each other.  Where are they BOTH going?

Was those Giants Created by that Substance mixed with Water/Liquid?

Act 3 Spice Edge

I get the impression we are seeing the Gold Substance, being Mixed with Blood to Artificially Create that HUMAN.. is she a AI, is she Human Sized or Giant?  Its not known.. but its a Sub-Creation, could it be the mixing of those Giants Blood and a Humans?

A FEMALE... what Relevance is that?  Would it be wrong to ponder those Giant Sexless or Male Beings CANT Pro-create, did they intend to Create the Female or was it the other Humanoids we first encountered in the Short Film?

Act 4 Flowing Flame

To me this has a connection with the Space Jockey... to me it shows these Humanoids in those suits have DESTROYED a World, Turned it to FIRE but WHY?  I interpret as maybe similar to WHY the Engineers intended to Destroy Earth... to UNDO a undesired Creation, or a Creation getting out o Control.

Are those Humanoids in that Ship, the Originals we see at the START or are they the Creation we see in ACT Spice Edge?

I then interpret this scene next as showing the Charred Remains of this World, but we see a Reptile so maybe LIFE had Spawned from the Worlds Destruction (sometimes to Create One must First Destroy)

We then see a Humanoid walking, it then leads to.

ACT 5 Chocolate Lull

This leads me to think we have this World after its Destruction entered a period of being Asleep/Inactive, The Rocks start to LEVITATE... indicating once more that Gold Substance has been inside Dormant, but now ALIVE again.

This Human has a moment of EPIPHANY he is meditating and Soul Searching and then he Eats what i interpret as a piece of this Rock (contains the Golden Substance) He then Levitates/Ascends too.  As if his SOUL has ascended.

ACT 6 Wood Crunches

We arrive at a world, a Paradise, Forest, Birds then a BEING  like a Spirit, that is using Leaves to give Form to his Body, i interpret this as the Humanoids SOUL from the previous ACT... He Reaches out with his Arms in a Embracing Pose. (i could interpret this wrong).  Was this showing he is Embracing his Sacrifice has lead to the Creation of this World?

Then the Birds Swarm/Embrace him and he becomes a Tree, does this mean i am wrong, and was many Spirits what formed the other Trees?

ACT 7 Infinite Echo

We are seeing how a Paradise World is Formed from a Baron World, while we see a few of these, we also see a Gas world forming, then another as if these Gas Worlds gather Rocky Matter (contains Golden Substance) and these form into the Rocky Worlds that require a Sacrificial Soul to turn them into a Paradise.

We also see a World or a Sun being formed..

There is what looks like a GIANT Ship Observing this.

We then cut a Nebula looking Cloud in the Formation of a Humanoid surrounded by the Planets and a Sun.

THEN... we discover its a BRANDY Advert and all that went on is what makes this Hennessy XO so Unique...

OR... is it a Parting Gift by RS?

7 Worlds, & Heavens, 7 Gods/Arch Angels..  7 Elders in the Prometheus opening Scene...   This video touched upon a lot of things i have mentioned over the years, on various subjects.

Could this be RS giving us via a different Medium what he may have revealed in his Prometheus 2 that he was Forced to Change to become a Alien Prequel?   Does this video give us answers in a loose way to HOW he would have Tackled Creation... remember he said prior to Alien Covenant, if the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then who is behind what makes Worlds habitable in the First Place... where is the BIG GUY.

His 2nd GIFT could be Raised by Wolves, which again i feel is him showing us the ideas/routes he may have gone with the Alien Covenants sequel to some degree...  IF he had some ideas he wanted to explore after Prometheus that was not about XENOMORPHS, and with Alien Covenant and its Disapointment meaning its UNLIKELY he may get to make his Sequel that would NOT be about the Xenomorph but about AI and what kind of a World David would build.

Maybe RS is using different mediums now to show us his ideas, because he KNOWS he may never be able to explore them in any ALIEN movies.

If so then Thank You Ridley Scott... its a shame that others could not see the Franchise Expansion as being more than just about Xenomorphs.

Thank You Ridley Scott.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Ingeniero

MemberPraetorianFeb-14-2019 8:22 PM

"His 2nd GIFT could be Raised by Wolves, which again i feel is him showing us the ideas/routes he may have gone with the Alien Covenants sequel to some degree..."

Raised by Wolves was the first thing I thought of when I watched The Seven Worlds BigDave

The giants were providing shade for those walking beside them...great shot. I hope that The Seven Worlds is a picture of the landscapes we can expect in Raised by Wolves and the images below are a preview of advanced manufacturing maybe seen in upcoming work from Ridley Scott.

Yes, thank you Ridley Scott and Scott Free Productions, great work.

SpecialOrder937.com

dk

MemberTrilobiteFeb-14-2019 10:05 PM

Great insights as usual BigDave . I wasn't sure how to take the short though. Many might think of the giants as Engineers? They remind me a bit of the Titans. So there was the golden goo that is easy to equate with the black goo. At any rate, it is strange someone thought it would be a good idea to eat it let alone touch it. 

Whatever RS is cooking up here, it certainly looks fascinating. Thanks for the heads up.

SuperAlien

MemberXenomorphFeb-15-2019 1:09 AM

 When I read the title of this post I thought BigDave is going to leave us and it was his parting gift :)

I'm glad I was misguided.

I hope it's not Sir Ridley Scott's parting gift too.

That golden goo looks like honey to me and all the seven worlds are creative interpretations of the seven tasting notes Hennessy XO is so proud of. I read the description below on their site:

"SEVEN WORLDS FOR SEVEN NOTES The Seven Worlds are creative interpretations of each tasting note, described by Hennessy’s Comité de Dégustation as illustrations of Hennessy X.O’s taste and feel: Sweet Notes, Rising Heat, Spicy Edge, Flowing Flame, Chocolate Lull, Wood Crunches. Culminating in Infinite Echo. These seven notes are envisioned by Ridley Scott as individual worlds each brought to life through wondrous and extreme physiography. The movie director leaves it to the viewer’s imagination if the film occurs in the future or the past, in reality or in a dreamscape as he takes us through vivid scenes offering snapshots of each world."

The beautiful shots of the people walking in the shadows of the giants reminded me of a passage from the Bible:

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me." (Psalm 23:4).

Must be that this XO can help you get past the hardships of the day with some serenity. I'd probably never find out myself, being so pricey.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Kongzilla

MemberChestbursterFeb-15-2019 2:06 AM

"Was this showing he is Embracing his Sacrifice has lead to the Creation of this World?"

"Then the Birds Swarm/Embrace him and he becomes a Tree, does this mean i am wrong, and was many Spirits what formed the other Trees?"

 

Or it's an act of union with Nature. It means that this Spirit (human soul) is part of Nature. The part of the World.

Lone

MemberPraetorianFeb-15-2019 2:36 AM

Great perception Dave, I believe you are onto something!

Ridley realises that he will never be able to make the ALIEN movie he really desires. He even provides us with some clues. Did you catch what he said on the making of video? 

It’s more than advertising, it’s a form of entertainment, my creative process has gotten me into more trouble than anything in my 40 years of advertising, but I’m still here so I must be doing something right….if I get an idea and I think it sounds good, I’ll just go for it and I’m unrelenting….if you get the art right you are going to communicate….am I getting your attention? If I’m getting your attention at the end of it you’re going to stay with it, then they are going to get your message.

Yeah, I know the message is all about getting you to buy Hennessy, or is it? I believe Ridley is actually telling us quite a lot here.

On Ingeniero’s thread I go on about how Ridley appears to be channeling MOEBIUS with this advert. I won’t repeat what I said there. I’ll just quote what our member Major Noob/Aorta said about Ridley- he is Moebius’s brother from another Mother. So true!

Both share a gift for visual storytelling. Moebius put pen to paper & took us on the most incredible transcendental trips. Ridley does exactly the same, only his canvas is the screen. Both tell wondrous stories through the visual medium, but these are not just fantastic voyages with beautiful, empty images, there’s a depth & perception that warrants much of our time. We look into & beyond them. We strive to understand their message. Many people have never gotten that & they underestimate him.

I’d like to thank him too. Much of the imagery in Prometheus alone has provided years of writing about how it connects to just about everything, it's all about everything to quote Ridley, religion, mythology, symbolism, making us question our own origin, as well as riffing classic Sci-fi. It can be looked upon from so many angles.

A picture definitely paints a thousand words. Isn’t that what we admire about Ridley the most?

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-15-2019 3:02 AM

PARTING GIFT....

As in by Ridley Scott, not saying he is going to be Meeting his Maker any time soon... I felt that with his AGE and his Plans for the Franchise he had hoped with Prometheus and then after the 5 year wait for a Sequel that he could take part and complete a set of PREQUELS within the next 5-10 years (From work on Alien Covenant in 2016).

With the Franchise in LIMBO and Buzz around a Cameron/Blomkamp lets Ret-con Aliens Sequels, i feel for Ridley Scott because it seems unlikely he may get to continue with his Sequels... certainly doubtful over the next few years...  

And so i cant help but think some the Ideas in Raised by Wolves and this Hennessy XO advert may touch on some of the Vision he had intended for his Prequels, that looks unlikely to be made.  Certainly NO Guarantees that Ridley Scott is still able to give Directing/Producing 100% by the time any Prequel Continuation gets the Go Ahead.

So maybe this is his Passing Gift, a way of him being able to show what a Prometheus 2 could have been like and a Alien Covenant 2 just in case he may NEVER be able to go back and complete them or introduce some of the ideas he had hinted at before.

Visually can you imagine a Prometheus 2, or now a continuation of Prequels with a Good Budget?   But it would come down to a Good Story and Execution as seen in Prometheus and Alien Covenant these were a bit Flawed in terms of that...  But the Visually Pleasing and Thought Provoking Elements remain...   Where as a Cameron Budget would go on Xenomorphs and Queens and Running and Shooting.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-15-2019 3:22 AM

"That golden goo looks like honey to me and all the seven worlds are creative interpretations of the seven tasting notes Hennessy XO is so proud of. I read the description below on their site:"

That certainly is the point, but i feel RS has felt he can add a story to those Flavors... by incorporating some MOEBIUS  Elements...

I could connect/interpret some things that relate to a number of things he has said about Prometheus/Creation and Engineers in the Video too...  but thats not to say it was intended by him... its maybe just me trying to connect it, like my Analysis of the MURAL which may be nothing more than a Tribute to HR Giger.

It just looks like it could connect a little...

Regarding the Giant Humanoids i think its not a case of this being Engineers, the whole Movie seems to indicate to me Creation of Life by using that Primordial Golden Ooze..  so those Humans could be the Engineers in this context, and Giant Beings there Creation.  Its ambiguous but i see those Giant Beings connected to the Honey Substance, for all we know they could have lived on that World and allowed those Humans the use of that Substance.

Or indeed implies they are created from it....

RS had teased the Engineers are not Gods, his comment about them being our Forerunners, then asking WHO made it Possible for Worlds to be able to Habit Life on.. where is the BIG GUY is a interesting comment RS made in 2016.   He then also pondered is the Big Bang a Accident? Or some Intelligent Aspect behind it.  This ADVERT does seem to touch upon something like this.

What i find Interesting, is the Source claimed some stuff from 2014 that could connect to this Advert too...  seemed to indicate the Engineers are more like David, and that Mankind plays the Bigger Role and we are 5th Generation of our Kind.

In this Advert we see Humanoids that are very like Humans...

One very interesting set of Concepts from Alien Covenant is also these.. by TWO different Artist, depicts a similar thing.  We have to ask... WHY these beings in this DONT look like Engineers!  Was RS going to show us that a Previous Version of Humanity Created the Engineers?  Did the Engineers Destroy their Creators and then Tried to Re-Create them?  As in Humans?

Interesting is it NOT?

Are we seeing it repeated...

David wants to Destroy/Rebel against his Creators... but then Re-Create his own version of Humans (using Embryos) and so could this be a repeat of Engineers, Destroy/Rebel against their more Human Creators, and then after attempt to Re-Create a Version of them to Rule over as opposed to Serve like they did to their Creators?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Lone

MemberPraetorianFeb-15-2019 3:37 AM

There's no doubt Ridley's plan has been totally messed up. At the end of the day the money men are in control.

It was Fox, now it will be Disney. Alas, they will probably back the safer option.

The debacle over Prometheus, now Covenant, has only served to blacken Ridley's reputation with some. There's little room for risk-takers in todays Hollywood. Everyone has to conform to a set criteria. It's getting very boring!

For me, the saddest thing of all, was when Ridley came out with that statement saying he had gotten it wrong with Prometheus. Imagine the circumstances that planted those seeds of doubt & pushed him into saying that. Just awful.

No Ridley, you were right all along! 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

MemberPraetorianFeb-15-2019 3:42 AM

Lol Dave, you've posted two lengthy replies in the time it's taken me to write a 13 line reply!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

MemberDeaconFeb-15-2019 4:19 AM

Lets hope Raised by Wolves is interesting....

And it allows for some Company to BACK our RS in exploring a Sci-Fi movie that would be a Spiritual Successor to Prometheus ;)

Where he can have FREEDOM to show us some Philosophical Creation Movie thats very Space 2001 and HP Lovecraftian with a serving of Blade Runner that Prometheus was intended to be..

Which suffered due to the Shackles of it being a Story set in the ALIEN Universe and connected to the Space Jockey, when it seemed a Distraction from the Xenomorph which many may feel a ALIEN movie should be about.

I cant help but in HINDSIGHT wonder if RS got his Alien Engineers Rejected/Canceled... in favor of FOX going for a ALIEN 5 rather than getting Lindeloff in to make Prometheus Draft...

Then RS pitching his ideas to another Studio who would run with his ideas... only now he has to not have Xenomorph looking connections, or Space Jockey/Derelict looking Creator Race and Technology

Keep the PLOT... but it has NO Space Jockey/Derelict or Xenomorph Aesthetic or NO Weyland/Yutani Company Names.

Then just LAMENT over the Freedom he would have had, in giving us a Project that does-not get retrained by the idea having to connect to ALIEN.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

MemberTrilobiteFeb-15-2019 5:03 PM

Another way to look at this is from a cynical yet comical view: 

It could be the most elaborate and artsy commercial conceived to date. We can now feel extra snobby for our choice of booze!

Regardless, it is a great 4 minutes to watch.

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