Will this affect the future of the Alien franchise in positive way?
At least maybe we can get an R rated sequel when we are in our 50's instead of a pg-13 when we are in our 50's.
I think this is good news. Of course, a change in hands for the Alien franchise, or any franchise, is a bit unnerving. Hopefully Fox's plans will continue on with Comcast.
Still, I think Disney would have hurt the franchise more than Comcast. Although, I think I know less about Comcast then about Disney, so I could be wrong.
If Fox had to sell between whoever was interested, Comcast doesn't seem like a bad option.
Of course, nothing is final yet...
I like the articles comment on "Diet Fox" if Disney got the deal. It would be so true too with regards to what could happen to movie franchises.
I'm pulling for Comcast.
I wonder how much the rights to the Alien franchise would cost?
I mean we're talking possibly 65 million for ALL of Fox. I could imagine maybe 2 million for the future of the Alien franchise. That wouldn't include owning the original four, just the prequels and their future? Is splitting up the franchise like that even possible?
I'm just throwing numbers out there and dreaming that a fan (or fans) of the Alien franchise could somehow own a stake in the franchise. That would be the day!
I find it funny that fans think Disney would mandate a watered down or "lighter" PG-13 Alien franchise if they take over. Does anyone remember that Disney used to own Miramax (which owned Dimension Films) for 17 years and continue to own Touchstone Pictures? Under those labels a mass of R-rated films were produced. To name a few: Con-Air, Kill Bill Vol. 1 & 2, Good Will Hunting, Sin City, Clerks, Bad Santa, the Scream trilogy, and many, many others.
Just because a conglomerate owns a company doesn't mean they don't let said company continue with what it's good at--Especially if they make money doing what they're good at.
gman, it would have all depended on WHICH company was going to make an alien movie. if Disney were directly producing the film it would be PG-13,simple as that. owning other companies just means they can make more 'out there' movies without having the Disney brand directly associated with it as all people would see is the Touchstone etc logo at the beginning and not the Disney logo. Disney is a family movie company and cant be connected to gore and horror so the pre-conception that they would make a watered down alien movie if they were making it themselves, is totally plausible. remember none of the movies u mention are regarded as Disney movies even though they own the company that did make them.
Disney said that Deadpool is going to stay as Rated R, they are probably going to do same with Alien.
Godzilla Generations was a beautiful game! I loved the fact that there's a laser cannon inside of Dr. Serizawa's eyepatch.
But that's the point, Disney wouldn't make the films themselves, plain and simple. That would take an entirely different conversation/deal with Fox after the acquisition. But in what instance have they ever historically done that?
You're right, Disney wants to separate itself from more adult themed films, which is why they use Touchstone, Miramax, etc. Fox would be no different. Disney acquired Marvel Studios, but Avengers: Infinity War was not made by Disney. Likewise, if Disney bought Fox, all of Fox's franchises would still be under Fox--Including Alien.
The Scream trilogy was made by Dimension Films. Just because Disney owned Dimension Films' parent company does not mean they pull the franchise into its studio. They want to make money in markets outside of family fare as well--If they didn't, they wouldn't be as powerful as they are.
There is no reality where Disney would make the Alien franchise directly themselves. All of that talk is overreacting fear-mongering.
I think it depends on the Reasons for WHY they would want FOX
If it is more so to do with TV Programing rather than the Big Screen Movie Franchises then ALIEN could still be in a State of Limbo... The Problem is not so much WHO buys into the Movie Franchises its a case of WHAT can they do with them.
Disney would look at a Movie that would appease to a Wider Fan-Base and so a more Marvel kind of Pop-Corn Type addition would be something maybe they would tackle. So we would get more of a ALIENS/ALIEN Resurrection kind of a Flick or like the AVP movies.
I think Disney would use Gore, we have to remember what made a Movie have to be a R/18 back in the 80's you could push a lot of that into a PG13, with maybe some extended Scenes for a Modern Cert 15
So i dont think Disney would give us a Toned down kiddy Friendly Movie.... i think Under Disney, the Horror/Gore we have seen in the Alien Franchise would not really be affected too much. It just wont push past the boundaries of a Alien Covenant/Aliens and i think Nudity would be something that would most likely be CUT
So Disney would maybe not do a kind of The THING kind of Graphic Horror, but a AVP, a Predator Franchise and Alien Franchise i think they would.... It really would come down to IF they think its Financially Viable.
I dont think Disney would be after FOX mainly for things like ALIEN, particularly as far as License/Rights to previous movies WITH NO intention to make any further movies... but maybe the Games/Merchandise and Comic Aspects could be interesting so who knows. So EVEN if Disney Purchased the rights to the Franchise, i think as far as ANOTHER movie they would want to make sure its something that would attract a wide Audience and Make Money and at the Moment the Franchise is in a PICKLE as far as HOW do they continue from where the last one left off.
I think COMCAST it would be similar, it would be IF they feel making a ALIEN movie would be Financially Viable. I do think maybe Comcast would be open to explore a Spin Off TV Series? But then maybe this is something Disney could consider, but i feel as far as TV Series go, then COMCAST would pursue something a bit more Gruesome, than what Disney would for a TV Series.
I think as far as the ALIEN Franchise goes... maybe when the DUST has settled and Who-Ever Purchases 20th Century etc.. Once a deal has been done we can then find out WHY the Purchase was made, and then the Potential to see what Franchises etc could be SOLD OFF to other Production Companies or kind of Licensed for other Companies to Produce..
so its like Gman said just because its Disney does not mean that other brands under ownership by the Company would not Produce more ADULT Orientated Movies... as far as Graphic/Horror Scene.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Sorry I can't remember or find the source but Im sure I read somewhere that Disney planned to use Touchstone as its platform for any of FOX's adult content assets as G. H. (Gman) mentioned above.
To be honest it kinda infuriates me the ignorance when someone assumes that should Disney succeed in acquiring IP's (Intellectual Properties) for their forthcoming streaming service, that any such content such as Alien or Predator will get diluted into PG-13 mainstream entertainment.
Should Disney acquire Fox they will never produce an Alien movie with the Disney name attached. Instead, they will use one of their subsidiary production companies, possibly even retaining the Fox brand itself. This is a practice already used by Disney and many other conglomerate media companies, such as Comcast and Sony. Take the latter, whose IP's such as Ghostbusters and Spider-Man are often mistakenly labeled as Sony IP's when in actuality they are the property of and produced by Columbia Pictures, one of Sony's subsidiaries.
If you want further proof that any future Alien movies will not get watered down should Disney acquire Fox then you need to look no further than the serial show The Punisher starring Jon Bernthal in the title role. The first season not only featured a number of sex scenes (including possible anal sex) but was renowned for its violent content, such as that seen in the season finale in which Castle dragged Billy Russo face through a broken mirror, shredding his face and creating Jigsaw.
That is interesting even though I am not sure what it would mean for the franchise.
Hopefully they will not stay away from blood and swearing making safe movies. Not everything needs to be about green grass, balloons, and fluffy rabbits that are painted pink. Alien movies were not made for kids and it should stay that way no matter who is the owner.
If no one is going to read what I posted, then read what Gavin posted. That is the route that they would take.
Indeed as Gman and Gavin had mentioned and i mentioned it prior that IF Disney Purchased the Company 20th Century Fox the movies would be produce under the same 20th Century Fox as a subsidiaries and so likely not Under Disney.
I mentioned when the News about a Disney Take Over First broke out, that for Disney they would likely look at the Predator/Alien Franchises as something different to the Movie Franchises they own already, THUS giving them a Extra String to their Bow. Rather than making them be more Super Hero PG-12 Friendly. But by having these Movies under their Wings gives them a different kind of Movie aimed at a different kind of Audience.
Regardless of the movies being Produced under any Subsidiaries if we did see Disney Take Over or Comcast... those Parent Companies would still look at if any Movie Venture would be Financially Viable...
Which is WHY i do think and especially if Disney WON, i think they would try and cater a more Aliens/Alien Resurrection Action kind of Movie as this could be something that has more appeal for the General Public, so it wont be a case of what movie would Attract Prometheus Fans, or Alien Fans as far as the Short Cast, Lone Monster Haunted House Horror... they would likely want a Flick that appeals to the Broader Audience for potential $$$$$ Return.
This does not mean a PG-12 Flick... i think the USA Rating System is hard to judge..... But i think IF Disney brought the Franchise and Produced a Movie it would be aimed at the 15 year olds plus and not 12 year olds. So in context to how Graphic the Franchise is overall, i dont think we have to worry about them cutting down a lot of Gore and Horror.
And as Gavin Mentioned with the Punisher this is a Graphic Violent TV Series with Sexual Content, that is Produced by ABC Studios and Marvel Television that are owned by Walt Disney. I dont know how Netflix work out their Age System... i know its a R... so i think if the Series came to DVD in the UK it would likely be a 18
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I really hope the deal goes through with Comcast. I am employed under the Comcast family and we are all hoping the deal goes through. My fingers are crossed...
So, Comcast raised their offer for Fox by three times what Disney bought Lucasfilm for?
"Nice offer for Fox Disney, I'll raise you the value of three Lucasfilms purchases for the same assets."
"Comcast Drops 21st Century Fox Pursuit"
Just across Bloomberg.
Disney is now free to pursue with prejudice the obvious.
Now thats out of the way it allows the Ball to Start Rolling to WHAT Disney will do with he Purchase of 21st Century Fox... i think we can assume Disney are still interesting in the Purchase and it will be interesting to see WHY and WHAT they want from their Catalogue of Franchises/Shows.
So i think this at least puts a End to any Delays to what may potentially happen to the Ownership and Plans for Franchises like ALIEN and PREDATOR
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
If Disney has bought it at least something is happening so we do not need to wait that much longer to see what will become if it so at least that is something. Hopefully they will not make a Star Wars out of it (although Rouge One was alright).
Well Ridley Scott did think the Franchise should be where a Star Trek/Star Wars are.....
This could only apply to his vision regarding CREATION as in the Engineers and what other Races have they created or have came into contact with.
Because the Franchise before the Prequels was all about the Xenomorph and Ripley and about Humans being placed in Jeopardy by the Xenomorph.... There was a lot of stuff in the Background (Company, its Agenda and History and AI/Synthetics) but these were never explored in any Depth...
And so trying to make a Star Wars as in release of Alien Movie after Alien Movie would just NOT work unless they introduce more than just the Xenomorph as Ridley Scott once said... "there is only so much snarling and Chest Pumping" that you can do before it well gets OLD and Cooked..
So it will be interesting to see WHAT Elements of the Franchise, (also considering what the Prequels touched on) and what route that Disney would choose to explore IF it considers making a Alien set of Movies is worthwhile.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Excellent point BigDave.
"This could only apply to his vision regarding CREATION as in the Engineers and what other Races have they created or have came into contact with."
I would like to see if someone else unleashed the xenomorph on the Engineers and they suffered a setback.
Indeed its all ambiguous and we cant rule out if these Engineers had been in contact with the Xenomorph well Related Organism in the past, we see it in the Mural/Fresco and maybe we have to ASK... Why, When and is this Event/Interaction only intended for Earth, was it only tested on LV-223 and Did it come from LV-223.
so its still open as far as connections with Xenomorph/Parasitic Organism in context to the Engineers...
When talking about other Races, i was implying that maybe and likely Earth is not the only World they had Seeded/Evolved and then do all Worlds they interact with have Exactly or Similar Life to Earth... are there many Humanoid Races and how similar are they.
Then IF indeed there are Many Worlds and Races that can thank the Engineers for playing their Part, (No Engineers, No Humanoid Alien Races) IF this is correct.... then the WHY as in the purpose for Creating Life on Multiple Worlds because maybe the BIGGEST Question in the Franchise.
We cant rule out to be used as Hosts for Xenomorph related Organisms? But there is NO 100% Proof to say this is what the reason is too.
The Alien Covenant poster was interesting... maybe its a Easter Egg and has no LITERAL or intentional connection at all... But it does imply Humanoid beings, much like the Engineers having unleashed upon them Xenomorph Related Beasts!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
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