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No More Bloated Theatrical Alien Movies

No More Bloated Theatrical Alien Movies

dk

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Posted May-26-2018 2:45 AM

Another dk rant.

I am tired of waiting years for movies that ultimately disappoint on different levels. I have less time and more years behind me than ahead of me.

Leave the franchise alone at this point for theatrical releases.

I said it before but will say it again- Why not take the franchise into three different paths: one for the creature fans; one for the android fans; one for the human element fans- and maybe have some crossover for some episodes. FFS- there could be a Predator cameo here and there! 

10 Responses to No More Bloated Theatrical Alien Movies

ali81

May-26-2018 3:06 AM

sometimes leaving things alone IS the best thing to do and the alien franchise may well prove to be proof of that when the prequels are done. but studios want money. its a problem now with most big budget movies. the art is compromised for the money

BigDave

May-26-2018 8:05 AM

I think that would please Fanboys... but indeed that would make money..

I know that a TV Series Spin off would be interesting... but its what do they cover?  The Weyland Company Spin Off?  be about Synthetics and AI,  be about Marines.... the Engineers?  

I think no matter what they try and do it would be expected at the Foremost to include the Xenomorph... its a Question than if this is not done Right, then the Beast could get Cremated..

I think a Official Canon NOVEL or Graphic NOVEL would be maybe the safer bet... that can then have its ideas/plot transferred in full or in part to a TV Series or Movie... the Novel route would be a Cheaper way to show things that they can Gauge the Reaction and Interest in.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

Jun-06-2018 8:13 PM

I think we know about the Xenomorph at this point. It could always be there looming while other aspects (WY, Engineers, androids) are developed and fleshed out.

I Moon Girl

Jun-07-2018 7:20 PM

ali81 said, "sometimes leaving things alone IS the best thing to do and the alien franchise may well prove to be proof of that when the prequels are done. but studios want money. "

This comment makes me think of the Jurassic Park franchise reboot.  I'm not to excited in seeing the new one coming out in a week.  I mean, dino's mixing with humans?!  It's a logical continuation, but it's just because the studio's want money...

Thoughts_Dreams

Jun-08-2018 6:54 AM

Unfortunately there are now more bad and mediocre alien movies than good ones. They got it right with the first three Alien movies and then it went downwards. Maybe they could do some TV thing with it like X-files but just a few episodes but they got to be done right. I would be fine if they do well made human characters and put the AI (robots) aside. Perhaps a novel could be alright if they get well done human characters because I would much rather have that then another alien movie with the quality of the prequels.

Perhaps they could make the Engineers interesting enough or give the company a bigger role. I would not be against this but they got to get the human characters right, at least get as may as possible right so we could care about them. Alien Covenant should be an example of how it should not be done.

A novel could be interesting but they got to make the human characters interesting and fleshed out otherwise we will get another AC when it comes to that.

I Moon Girl

Jun-10-2018 4:43 PM

dk said, "Leave the franchise alone at this point for theatrical releases"

I'm going to argue against this at the moment.  The idea of the story for Prometheus was spot on.  The Alien: Covenant story just got to warped with the idea that a Xeno HAD to be in it.  It probably wouldn't have received such bad comments if it wasn't forced into the story.  For example,  the title has the word A L I E N in it.  That is now what everyone is expecting to see, whether they are a fan or not of the whole franchise.  Then, how the Xeno was treated in the movie went against everything that the franchise built up with the original four.  I mean, Xeno's have rights, YOU KNOW!  Alien: Covenant was fairly abusive to the Xeno.  It really tested fans long held beliefs of the whole franchise.  For example, "where did the Xeno come from?" "Why is the Xeno not scary?" "What are these monkey sounded pale things running around?  Where's the Xeno?" (I would like to admit that I did enjoy some of the Neomorph action.)

I think the two prequels we got, and hopefully the final third, are actually a great idea.  I would've been very upset if Prometheus wasn't played in theaters.  I would HATE to see a Prometheus TV show.  I think it would just lose it's unnerving pace since there would have to at least be 24 hours before the next one comes on.  Alien: Covenant just got caught up in how corporate can make more money off of a great idea.  I would like to see a third and final prequel.  After the prequels are done, I really just don't know where the franchise can go.  We did the the "Out of the Shadow" trilogy in the novels and I did like the first two (haven't read the third, but I have the book) (I liked the 2nd one better then the first.  I felt the first was just stretching the Ripley character to much and it kind of makes it unbelievable since it kind of intertwines with the original four.  I'm not going into details though)

So, in short... I feel like the Alien franchise is on tract with the prequels.  It's just that sadly Ridley Scott is just getting mixed up with Alien: Covenant.  Sadly, I don't know where the franchise can go next, while still staying fresh for the fans...

I was thinking that Alien: Awakening was going to be another Prometheus, in it's own way, but now that Disney is in control and with the fact that I'm not seeing any news on production for the 3rd of the prequels, we could be left in a state of despair since all we now think about is Alien: Covenant... 

All hail Prometheus!!! 

ali81

Jun-10-2018 5:33 PM

Hail Hail Prometheus.

the prequel concept was awesome and Prometheus was a great start imo.

ignorantGuy

Jun-10-2018 10:19 PM

I Moon Girl Disney in control? With the Comcast intervention we don't know how the merger is going, so it might be no one is in control right now, meaning no commitment to a sequel.

I Moon Girl

Jun-12-2018 7:40 PM

@ignorantGuy

Regardless who's in control, I'm just surprised that Fox didn't create some form of guarantee that Ridley Scott and continue and finish his prequels.  After the final movie, then the Alien franchise should be in limbo (if that's what the new owner wants).  It really doesn't sound like that guarantee would be hard to get whoever is slowing down Awakening to sign.  It's just there to keep things that were (basically) promised to happen happen.  I would've figured Scott would've have wanted that too?

Thoughts_Dreams

Jun-16-2018 2:07 AM

I Moon Girl

Prometheus had some interesting ideas but most of the characters were lame. I agree that the studio or whoever got it totally wrong when they thought that getting the Xeno in was all that was needed and that was not what the majority of the criticism was about. Google the criticism against bad characters and you see that many more had problems with that than the lack of Xenos.

"… are actually a great idea.”

The thing is that you need more than interesting ideas for it to work. It needs quality characters that we as an audience can see ourselves in and support. None of the prequels have had that, Alien 3 was the last time that they got enough characters right for the movie to work, it has been bad since then. My opinion is that if they do not get the characters right then the movie is trash especially when it is a horror movie where we got to feel something for the characters that will die and if it does not manage to do this then the movie fails.

Even though Prometheus is just OK at least it is about more than a crazy robot. It is sad that Alien Covenant became the way it did because they messed up the human characters even Daniels that I felt that we got no connection to. What I understood from Daniels was that she wanted to build a cabin by the lake, that was all. She was a character that I did not get any connection to but at least she was not as annoying as Shaw.

“The Alien: Covenant story just got to warped with the idea that a Xeno HAD to be in it.”

It was more than that to me, it was mostly about lame characters and too much focus on androids. I agree that it did not help that they forced the Xeno into it. We shall see where they will go from here.

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