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Anyone think the set design in Prometheus is outstanding?

OhioDude25

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Posted Mar-08-2018 11:20 AM

How much of it did they really build, and how much time/money did it take? The interior of both ships, the Prometheus and the cabin of the engineer's ship were absolutely beautiful. I am amazed every time I watch it.   In addition to the detail, the moving parts and mechanical aspects of the doors and things like the med pod, unreal.

25 Responses to Anyone think the set design in Prometheus is outstanding?

OhioDude25

Mar-19-2018 3:27 PM

Man nobody?

BigDave

Mar-19-2018 3:49 PM

Going to be a bit busy now, so i will try and help another time.

But i will say that Ridley Scott is a fan of Massive Sets and quite a lot of Alien Covenant as far as Up close shots of Actors and the environments were mostly Practical and Built.

There are a number of behind the scenes shots and videos on the internet, i will link some another time and indeed the DVD/Blu-Ray Extras should have plenty of behind the scenes too.

As far as how much these all cost, thats something we cant really put a number on, but i would not be surprised if 25% of the Budget went on such things... maybe more.

I will see if we can arrange some interviews with some guys who worked on the Sets ;)

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OhioDude25

Mar-19-2018 4:02 PM

I am talking about Prometheus not Covenant. Apparently you didn't read the entire post lol.

I Moon Girl

Mar-19-2018 6:06 PM

BigDave said, "I will see if we can arrange some interviews with some guys who worked on the Sets"

THAT needs to be done!!!  That would be cool if you could do that!

I Moon Girl

Mar-19-2018 6:07 PM

I agree about the sets of Prometheus.  If there ain't good sets, there is fantastic visuals and CGI, with wonderous choice of colors.  I watched the whole movie of Prometheus many times just to admire the sets and visuals.  

Lone

Mar-19-2018 7:12 PM

Sir Ridders certainly earned his title of World-builder on Prometheus. I call him The Master World-builder. If you watch The Furious Gods, there's a spectacular time lapse sequence of the construction of the SJ cannon/Juggernaut interior.

Plus you see the construction of the Prometheus bridge, which was built on a gimble.

On ALIEN too, the Nostromo set construction was massive. The whole thing fitted together to form enclosed corridors etc, and could be moved to allow for camera access etc. The actors said that it was cramped and claustrophobic, which added so much realism to their performances.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

I Moon Girl

Mar-19-2018 7:44 PM

Great photos Lone.  I really like the one with Ash.

I don't know where to obtain a copy of The Furious Gods.  Wish I did 

dk

Mar-19-2018 10:23 PM

I agree with the OP. I think mentioning Alien and AC are relevant since RS has his finger prints on all of them. Prometheus had excellent sets- everything looked crisp, sharp and real. I am pretty sure there were CGI enhancements in places but I could not tell- and that is what set designs should do.  

ali81

Mar-19-2018 11:54 PM

RS is huge on sets. the pilots chair set in alien was a huge cost and the studio didn't want to spend the money but RS told them this set IS the movie and was needed. he knows the value of spending money on great sets and all RS movies are visually stunning, Prometheus and AC included. I love Prometheus but admit some of the characters could have been given more depth but visually its stunning

Lone

Mar-20-2018 7:45 AM

@I Moon Girl The Furious Gods was available only on the Collector’s Edition Blu-ray set. However, it is now included as an iTunes extra, if you purchase an HD copy of Prometheus from the store.

Even if you already own Prometheus, it's worth the download price just to have the extras viewable on your devices!

I have the DVD, Collectors Edition Blu-ray and a digital copy in iTunes ;)

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

I Moon Girl

Mar-20-2018 7:24 PM

@Lone

fantastic news!!! I LOOOOOOOOOVE Prometheus.  It's a 9/10 for me.  To solve the problem, it should've went for 3 hours (or at least 2 1/2 hours).

So, Lone, this includes the WHOLE "Making of Prometheus" because I thought I read the there was a Blu-Ray version which had even more material?

Lone

Mar-21-2018 3:36 AM

Totally agree I Moon Girl Prometheus deserved a much longer cut! 

Yes, it's the entire thing. The Furious Gods: Making PROMETHEUS, The Peter Weyland Files, deleted and alternate scenes, Weyland Corp Archives, plus you can choose commentaries by Sir Ridley or John Spaights. 

HD or 4K, all for just £7.99 in the iTunes UK Store! Happy viewing :)

PROMETHEUS

I watched PROMETHEUS with a friend the other night. She's not into Sci-fi as such, but she really enjoyed it, found the premise very interesting and thought that the sets and holograms were really cool! 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

Mar-22-2018 3:11 AM

Silly ME ;)

Misread the Post.....  oh well not in best frame of concentration at that time.... so forgive me..

Indeed i would say Prometheus more so than Alien Covenant had Epic Practical Sets... there are many of these on the internet if you google.... (or other search engine) Prometheus movie Sets, Prometheus Movie Green Screen.

A lot of the sets were Built... some  things they had parts of the set as practical while the rest would be built around as CGI.  Such as the Hanger.

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OhioDude25

Mar-22-2018 5:18 AM

Awesome, thanks!

Davefried81

Mar-22-2018 12:39 PM

Prometheus gets me every time with the set design.  Still fascinates me every time I watch it.

I Moon Girl

Mar-22-2018 7:33 PM

@BigDave

Lovely picture!

BigDave

Mar-23-2018 9:03 AM

Indeed Visually Prometheus was wonderful, the Engineers looked intriguing even the Elders.  There was also a nice use of CGI/Gloss to add that few details to the Engineers Appearance, that Sadly we never got to see in Alien Covenant.

Just shows that  a little lighting and touch up goes a long way.

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OhioDude25

Mar-23-2018 9:44 AM

What Elders were in Prometheus?

BigDave

Mar-24-2018 12:01 AM

There was a more longer Sacrificial Engineer Prologue Scene, the Engineer we see who drinks from that Cup of Goo, was handed this Cup by a Elder Engineer, there was a Total of 8 Elders in this Scene, 4 of them in the distance.

This scene in a cut down version is on the DVD/Blu-Ray Extras, there has not been the complete scene released anywhere though, there are a few other scenes in Prometheus that got cut with the Engineers that also are not on any of the Extras... but stills from these scenes are online.

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BigDave

Mar-24-2018 12:09 AM

I will add the extras as far as Engineer Scenes, and those that are not on the extras but images are online regarding them... do paint a much different picture to the Engineers Agenda and Purpose.

Rather than the Theatrical Cut, which just shows us a Engineer gets awoken,  he is in a foul mood and then goes Postal on the Crew.  Latter after the Crash he is again Angry and goes Postal on Dr Shaw.

The FULL Scenes (which we still dont have in their entirety) paint a much much different picture. A picture that could push us to consider this Engineer Actually was the reason Humans are alive by the year 2093.....   Detailed Schematics of the Juggernaught Set used by Set Designers/Production also confirm this, as the Engineers Cryo-Pod is labeled HERO CHAMBER so our Prometheus Engineer actually may have felt there was NO need for our Destruction and Potentially Sabotaged the Outpost/Mission...    Only to be awoken and witness Weylands Actions and Cruel/Selfish Intentions and then this Engineer realizes actually the FEAR the Engineers had for Mankind and our Rebellious Ways are actually true and in hindsight the Mission to Destroy us should have been allowed to happen... And so off he goes to carry out the Destruction that maybe he prevented 2000 years prior.

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OhioDude25

Mar-24-2018 1:37 PM

Interesting, I've never read about that. That would entirely change the story. Why do you suppose Scott cut that, and what do you think he wants us to believe the Engineer's motive was?

BigDave

Mar-24-2018 5:12 PM

Who knows... RS had mentioned he felt some scenes effected pacing, some scenes also gave too much away.   And then we ultimately have the Re-Shot Dr Shaw vs Engineer Scene.

Ridley Scott did say he Re-shot this as he felt the longer version simply made the Engineer look a bit underwhelming, and so changing it to having him simply Enter the Lifeboat and Aggressively seek out to attack/kill Dr Shaw, but she managed to open the Med-Pod Room door and unleash the Trillobite.   Made the Engineer appear to be more Aggressive and only Hell-Bent on the Destruction/Hatred of all Humans.

The Edited Engineer awakens Scene also portrays the Engineer as just Angry and Vengeful against Humans.  Ridley Scott had referred to the Engineers as Aggressive $"%£^&$

I dont know exactly why things was changed.

It appears he was not pleased with the whole Engineer Enters the Life-boat and is in awe at seeing the Technology we have and the Hologram Screen with the Violin Girl, and also seeing the Books and having a look at one (maybe Bible)  The whole full length (NOT QUITE)  Scene  when also looking at his reaction to Dr Shaw in the awoken Engineer Scene, did seem to show the Engineer was intrigued with Dr Shaw

It would appear after shooting the Final Scene, Ridley Scott felt shortly after they need to do a Re-Shoot while Ian Whyte was in his Burnt Face Make Up, and have him simply entering the Life-Boat to go after Dr Shaw with only One Intention... Destroy her.

So shooting this after they had shot the Final Battle between Engineer and Trilobite, meant he entered the Life-Boat Burnt and so many Scenes had to be cut as they contradicted this.

So by Favoring the attack on Dr Shaw we got in the Theatrical Cut/Home Video, meant scenes like above had to be CUT... as the Engineer clearly is not Burnt.

The Top 3 Images are not even on the Extras... the Bottom 3 are from the Extended Scene on the DVD/Blu-ray extras

I feel the Original Scenes Painted a much more interesting Picture and one were NOT every Engineer must have agreed we needed to be destroyed.. The extended Scene the Engineer did not attempt to Kill Dr Shaw, but he grabbed her, it was only when she got loose by hacking him with a AXE that he got aggressive.

He caught her and instead of killing her he held her down, maybe he was thinking of Forcing himself on her like David did with Daniels in Alien Covenant who knows... but she soon hit the button to open the Door to the Trilobite.

The Original Scenes opened up more for debate, it clearly showed the Engineers did not need the Space Jockey suits to breath outside, it also shows the Burn was likely from a Acid Attack from the Trilobite (thus more Alien DNA connection).

It also seemed to show a interest between the Engineer and Dr Shaw, did these Engineers never have Females, did they loose Females? Was we created so they could eventually regain Females to Breed with (Genesis 6)

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown"

Which added to the whole story of the Engineers as Fallen Angels as Ridley Scott referred them as.

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Ingeniero

Mar-26-2018 10:16 AM

Great topic OhioDude25. I've spent time in Shadyside, OH on the river and the state overall is beautiful. Welcome and yes, the Prometheus set design was amazing and arguably the best of the franchise. I'm with Lone and I Moon Girl regarding the need for a longer cut of Prometheus.

 

Biblical Inheritance of the Engineers

"It also seemed to show a interest between the Engineer and Dr Shaw, did these Engineers never have Females, did they loose Females? Was we created so they could eventually regain Females to Breed with (Genesis 6)

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown"

Which added to the whole story of the Engineers as Fallen Angels as Ridley Scott referred them as."

That is an excellent point BigDave. The Engineer most certainly hadn't seen a woman in thousands of years and maybe never. I hadn't considered that at all.

This biblical inheritance (Fallen Angels/Watchers) of the Engineers is also cited in David's notes above. 

What kind of set design would be required to film an act against the Engineers carried out by their superior?

Thoughts_Dreams

Mar-28-2018 7:48 AM

You mean like the ships and so on? They definitely got that right but that seems to be something that Ridley Scott is good at, the visuals. Both Covenant and Prometheus got these things right so that was good. We will probably see things like that as far as the quality is concerned if they make a third movie, there are other things that I question.

They should give us a longer cut of Prometheus that explain some stupid things like the cuddling with the space snake for example. If there are things that are stupid then at least give us a reason why these things are happening.

Aorta

Mar-30-2018 12:57 PM

Hi OhioDude and everybody! It's been awhile.

Without getting too deep into this, I have to explain that after seeing Covenant, I was deeply disappointed and didn't want to get immersed in negativity, so I had to take a break.

I loved Prometheus and was hoping for a similar tone, and while Covenant delivered on certain levels, I missed the beefy surrealism of the previous film and kinda gave up.

I found Prometheus to be spectacular, and having a history with and love for the mechanics of film making, I too found the sets to be amazing. The Prometheus ship in particular was fantastic, outside and in, with strong influences from Cobb, Foss, Moebius and Japanese sci if all woven in harmony. You can tell they were going for a vehicle that would translate well into a popular toy, but I have no argument with that.

The interior was a character unto itself, and the lighting was a marvel, especially in the opening with David moving through the space alone. Much of the lighting for those scenes was provided by the set itself, and you can practically taste the ingenuity and straight up fun they had with it. Coupled with Wolski's photography, it all felt like a glorious mythology being built. I was not at all put off by the lack of continuity with the Nostromo.

I was slightly put off by the lack of continuity between the Juggernaut and Derelict, though. I felt like the spookiness of the original was lost, or put aside for practical reasons. I do get the idea put forth that the Derelict was more organic in appearance because it was rotting, that's a great explanation but it wasn't a conclusion one could arrive at easily on their own. And the statues (or Engineer suits, if you like) in the corridor were awkward. However, the shot of the suited Engineer in the Chair with the star maps swirling around was pure gold.

Certain posters here may note that this is the most criticism I've ever offered about Prometheus (Hi Lone!). There are other things one could complain about, but I found the overall effort to be so bold and unique that I don't want to dilute it even for myself!

Sometime soon I'll post my thoughts on Covenant, I didn't hate it and the first 30 minutes had me biting my nails but for me, as soon as I saw the first burster my heart kinda sank.

All the best from Chicago!

 

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