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Ridley Scott and James Cameron’s Alien 5 and Alien 6

Ati

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Posted Feb-12-2018 6:24 PM

Alien Resurrection had barely started screening when talk of a fifth movie began circulating. “We firmly expect to do another one,” Tom Rothman, Fox’s president of production at the time, told Entertainment Weekly. “Joss Whedon will write it, and we expect to have Sigourney and Winona if they’re up for it.”

“There’s a big story to tell in another sequel,” Whedon said. “The fourth film is really a prologue to a movie set on Earth. Imagine all the things that can happen.” That same year he set out his manifesto for the fifth film: “If I write this movie, and it has my writing credits on it, then it’s going to be on Earth … And it’s going to be very different from the last one.”

“The studio talked about Alien Resurrection as a kind of placeholder,” he continued. “They said, ‘We want to do Earth or the big Alien planet, but we’re not convinced yet that this franchise has legs. So we want to do a smaller story.’ I don’t think you can do that with Alien 5. I think the time of people running around in a tin can has passed. You have to work on a broader canvas otherwise it becomes an episode and not a new movie. The way Cameron exploded from the first to the second, you have to do that again, and that means going somewhere new … With Alien Resurrection, I used the first two movies as models, but with this one I can promise you something new, something completely different from what’s been seen before.”

However, a frustrated Whedon lost interest in doing any work for another sequel after Resurrection’s release, and the fifth movie, which was rumoured to be titled ‘Alien Revelation’, ended up on Fox’s backburner. “I’ll tell you there was a time when I would have been interested in that,” explained Whedon, “but I am not interested in making somebody else’s franchise anymore. Any movie I make will be created by me.”

Still, rumours abounded throughout the late nineties and early noughties  about a fifth entry. Cinescape magazine for one reported that Alien 5 was to feature Ripley 8 travelling to the Alien homeworld to settle scores. There were intermittent rumours of the film being greenlit and release dates and inflated salaries for Weaver were reported and denied on an almost yearly basis. In 1999 Sigourney spoke to Sci-Fi Wire magazine about another film and her participation in it. “I don’t know if there are any plans to do another one,” she said. “It wouldn’t surprise me if some time in the next twenty years or so, you see a white-haired Ripley hobbling around out there. But I haven’t heard of anything.”

Eventually, in 2002, there seemed to be some mobilisation for Alien 5, as Ridley Scott was asked about his potential involvement and responded positively, saying, “You know I thought it’d be nice. I’d do it. It really is entirely dependent on the take on the material. It’s all about material. I’ve been asked about Alien 5, and I said of course. We’ve started a script meeting. I mean, I’ve started it off so I may as well close the door – if in fact this is meant to be the last one.”

“I will decide in the next 5 weeks. I’m looking at Alien 5 [for] sure. Why not? Maybe.”
~ Ridley Scott, The Latino Review, 2002.

“We’re looking at doing another one. Something similar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I’ve even discussed the possibility of putting [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie.”
~ James Cameron, BBC One interview, 2003.

In 2003 Zap2it.com claimed that the plots to Alien 5 and 6 had surfaced. “Number five is set on Earth,” they claimed, “with the planet under attack from alien warrior drop ships, which made their debut in the original Alien movie. In the process they make Earth look like an incubator while attacking, leaving Alien eggs around the humans. When Ripley realizes her dreams have played a role in what’s happening she evacuates and confines herself to a cell, but inevitably she will meet her nemesis face to face again.”

The summary of the sixth movie was brief. “Number six takes place on the home turf of the navigator of the ship. Aliens are taking over other planets and Ripley finds herself forced to turn to the dark side in order to save civilization.”

Meanwhile, Cameron was stressing the need to be uncompromising when dabbling in this universe. “The original Alien holds a special classic niche as one of the great terrifying experiences,” he told The Edmonton Sun. “And the trick is you don’t go crazy and make a $150-million movie because you don’t want to have to compromise, you don’t want to try to do a PG-13 Alien that is all things to everyone. It’s got to still maintain its roots in this kind of cinematic Id. Ridley did it really beautifully. He just kind of put you into this Freudian nightmare space.”

However, Ridley announced his departure from any Alien project in an issue of Total Film, explaining that it was now in Cameron’s court. “We were in violent agreement,” Cameron said of his meetings with Ridley, “then nothing happened.” It seems that Cameron continued working on the film in some capacity, but Fox intervened. “I started working on a story,” Cameron said, “I was working with another writer and Fox came back to me and said, ‘We’ve got this really good script for Alien vs Predator.’ So I stopped working.”

In 2004, Ridley spoke with Japanese publication Famitsu Wave about Alien 5. and indicated that it was still in everyone’s minds, but would not be greenlit until Fox saw how succesful the spin-off movie would be. He spoke cryptically about the plot and whether or not he would direct it.

Famitsu Wave: And what of the rumor of another Alien movie?
Ridley Scott: We have been talking about doing another one for years. It’s been a complex situation. At the end of the day, a studio has to be pleased, a core audience has to be pleased, and a director has to agree to all that. I am glad to say things are progressing…
FW: With you as director?
RS: I don’t think I’ll be directing, but I will have some involvement. It’ll probably be based on an idea I have, so I hope I’m asked to be involved.
FW: Can you talk about the idea?
RS: In broad terms, it’s something for those folks that want to see Ripley’s journey come full circle.
FW: Does that take her to the home planet of the Aliens?
RS: She won’t necessarily see the home planet, but you might…

After the release of AvP director Paul W. Anderson was briefly rumoured to be helming the fifth Alien installment: hearsay that he quickly shot down. “That’s not a reality,” he said. “I’ve heard that. I’ve been doing press lately for AvP and a lot of people said that. I don’t know where that came from. It’s not something I’ve been approached about.” His choice for Alien 5‘s director? Ironically, James Cameron.

AvP may have caused him to lose interest in making a new movie in the series, but Cameron still got around to seeing it.”I think of the five Alien films, I’d rate it third,” he diplomatically said of Anderson’s film, which is no real feat considering his opinion of the third and fourth movie. Ridley however couldn’t bring himself to see it or its 2007 sequel.

Of Ridley’s eventually return to the series, Prometheus, Cameron said in 2014: “I thought it was an interesting film. I thought it was thought-provoking and beautifully, visually mounted, but at the end of the day it didn’t add up logically. But I enjoyed it, and I’m glad it was made. I liked it better than the previous two Alien sequels.”

As for any involvement in the new strand of Alien stories that the prequel has opened up, Cameron was straightforward. “I don’t think I have anything to offer on the Prometheus sequels, that’s Ridley’s.”

Taken from: https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2015/03/05/ridley-scott-and-james-camerons-alien-5/

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5 Responses to Ridley Scott and James Cameron’s Alien 5 and Alien 6

daliens

Feb-13-2018 12:19 AM

“We’re looking at doing another one. Something similar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I’ve even discussed the possibility of putting [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie.”
~ James Cameron, BBC One interview, 2003.

God forbid.

Cameron and Blomkamp and the likes of them should keep clear from Alien. All they can do is bring in more guns, more shooting.

Cameron is really the most pathetic director alive.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

dk

Feb-13-2018 12:34 AM

LOL! This almost belongs as an April Fools Day thread in a couple of ways.

I understand developing the franchise, but there should be some kind of balance to avoid diluting it. 

I love the franchise thus far but psst....RS- as much as I love it, it will never be the box office crusher of SW. And I like the Alien franchise way more! This is ridiculous.

Ingeniero

Feb-13-2018 11:34 AM

"Cameron is really the most pathetic director alive."

Oh, so we have read the same things that has come out of Cameron's mouth daliens

He should make movies about fiction and keep his mouth shut about reality. His only contributions to my "Benefit" column are the android Bishop and going industrial with the atmosphere processors in Aliens. I loved The Abyss, as well as, Terminator and Terminator 2. Avatar was great regarding the breakthrough graphics and hopefully the story will be worth a dime (currently valued as fecal matter equivalent) by the time they spend another billion dollars hammering out the sequels.

Most everything James Cameron has said that I read makes the "Curse" column in my analysis. Talented, rich, philanthropic, and shown a total fool when he speaks towards an update on historical facts with his documentary based on "evidence". As long as evidence means not talking to experts and not looking into historical record.

I can get excited about the direction they were heading in prior to 2004's AVP when speaking to Ridley Scott and James Cameron. 

Excellent documentation Ati. I hadn't read this.

Ati

Feb-13-2018 2:56 PM

Ingeniero - I'm glad you like it.

BigDave

Feb-14-2018 5:17 PM

There was a few times they planned to do other movies, we can but just wonder what they may have been....

It would have been interesting to see what RS vision would have been after ALIEN, i know he had 2 ideas where to go next, before he ended up being busy with his schedule and so James Cameron got to make his ALIENS

Looking at comments RS made after ALIENS regarding the direction he was going and again at around the time of ALIEN 3  on of his ideas was to go to the Planet of the Xenomorph.

But with the route they took with Prometheus, you have to wonder how many ideas that went into the Brain-storming that lead to  Spaights Alien Engineers had been ideas RS had for the Franchise, many many years prior?

I am glad some of these other ideas never came off as they would have made the Franchise even more about RIPLEY... i also think they need something different and so NO Blomkamps Alien 5

The only Return for Ripley i would see, would be a direct Alien 5, which i had put down a few times a idea here, which would turn her Story Full Circle.... it would mean no effort to De-Age and give us a Young Ripley, and NO old age Ripley either.

A Plot where Ripley 8 would be CGI for a bit, then gradually replaced with make up, as she changes, evolves in skin texture and color until the Xenomorph DNA Re-writes so much of her Human DNA that she is now a HYBRID

A Plot Twist where Call was actually on the Betty not to Sabotage the USM Companies Agenda...  But to actually Obtain Ripley 8, and the reveal the Cult that Call is from is a Synthetic Cult that hold Worship to David 8, as the Original Creator of the Xenomorph and also behind what lead to Synthetics gaining more Free-will and Freedom.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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