Eggmorphing has been a topic again in another thread - but perhaps not the xenomorph being a vampire? :)
In Alien, the xenomorph is clearly not mating. What it does is probably transferring its DNA through its secretion when building a nest? When a victim is placed in the secretion structure it is dissolved and transformed into an egg (if we go by the director’s cut, that is). Otherwise, a queen would be needed (which is also asexual)?
I don’t believe we have seen a xenomorph eating, have we? In Alien, it killed Brett, Parker and Lambert (but kept Dallas alive in the nest). It kills its victim by stabbing it with its inner jaw so that the victim’s blood spurts everywhere. Perhaps the xenomorph drinks it? All the victims are intact (except for the spurted blood).
The only possible proof of this thesis might be the neomorph? After having decapitated Rosenthal with a powerful bite in the neck, it sits on top of the body and seems to be feasting in the blood spurting out from the neck? It is drenched in blood when it comes towards David.
Interesting theory. However I wouldn't say that the Queen is asexual... if you look at insects like ants or bees, the queen is impregnated by any number of males.
Yes, you are right about bees and ants, but in that case, we have two very different xenomorphs in Alien (Director's Cut) and Aliens. In Alien it's asexual and eggmorphs and in Aliens the xenomorphs procreate sexually via a queen?
This is also discussed in:
Editorial - Ridley Scott's StarBeast and James Cameron's Xenomorph may not be the same creature?
hmmm I like the idea of vampiric Neomorphs! Something different but still parasitic
I think its something to consider....
Do these Organisms require Energy? So do they feed? how would a Neomorphs Dietary requirements differ from a Xenomorph? The Neomorph could just be feeding on Rosenthhal, it may be consuming Blood, it may also have started to eat other Organic Matter, its a bit open to debate.. We could ask the same of the Xenomorph does it just KILL?
We have the Egg Morph in Alien DC, indeed but we dont know how this process really would work, its something that can be explained in a number of ways? A Question to ask is the Method of Procreation, and does the Organisms (especially Xenomorph) require Genetic Material to Procreate?
We know this is what say a Female Mosquito requires (Blood).
Regarding the Queen, and Insects, while Camerons Bugs may seem based of them we totally cant be sure how a Queen Xenomorph is created. We can speculate but this could be something totally Alien and so we may not have/need Males Sexual Xenomorphs.
Some Ants can Reproduce Asexually
I hope if we are ever shown Procreation that its something very disturbing, and different to a degree to Insects... But based a bit on them..
For example, i think the Big Chap Drone, would act as a Sexually Productive Male Flying Ant, only it does not go out to impregnate a Queen... NOPE! I would go the Egg Morph, where this Drone Impregnates a Human Host with some substance that Alters it to become a ROYAL EGG, and then it would require a host to cocoon for the Royal Face Hugger.
I would like to see a disturbing Procreation for the Queen too, I would have it where a Queen when given a Male Host, would be able to mutate this Host into a Cocoon that would grow a kind of Xenomorph inside, or indeed a normal Face Hugger, but maybe a different Face Hugger.
I would have the Queen vs a Female Host, use a Proboscis to steal the Females Eggs, and these then go into the Queens Womb where they are genetically altered to become Xenomorph Eggs.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Apparently, bees, ants and wasps determine sex through a system called haplodiploidy. A queen wasp mates in autumn and preserves the sperm over winter as she sleeps. When she starts a colony next spring, she determines the sex of her offspring by giving, or not giving, sperm to the eggs she produces (plenty). An unfertilised egg becomes a male. So males have been produced asexually (no father).
In Alien 3, Ripley is pregnant with a queen and in the end, kills herself and the queen. But, in Alien: Resurrection, she is cloned and gives birth to a queen. This queen then produces eggs (with facehuggers) which, through hosts, produce male xenomorphs (drones). So the question is if this is asexual? Was the queen fertilised? How one wonders? :)
Yes, the question is if the xenos need energy to survive (apparently they grow to adults, and very rapidly, without energy - energy as we see it, that is)?
Your suggestion of their propagation is interesting. Would then suggest an asexual one, BigDave?
Yes, the Dog Xeno was eating until it got interrupted and I think the neo was chomping on Rosenthal- both seemed pretty indiscriminate and could have just been eating whatever was easiest to quickly devour.
The only evidence I have seen in the movies seemed to be asexual reproduction or a very alien form of it as was stated above in Alien DC. AVPR may have had a strange sort of sexual reproduction but I think we aren't supposed to even mention that disaster.
The face hugger arguably sexually inseminates a host "face rape". Since that is part of the entire cycle, one might argue the xenomorph is involved in sexual reproduction indirectly or by proxy? Might be a stretch.
There is a theory that the biomechanical Xenomorph's acid blood powers him up like a battery. It doesn't need any food or other sources of energy.
The neomorph does not have acid blood so it might need some nourishment to keep going.
Regarding the reproductive cycle, if we can answer the question of how the eggs are made all becomes clear. If xenomorphs are just bio weapons they don't really need to multiply themselves. But then, what was the meaning of egg morphing from Alien DC?
IMHO the queen is just some bogus concept of Cameron, good for AVP type sequels.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
I think the Insect Kingdom, route of Camerons Aliens does lead some to speculate if the Procreation is similar, but not all Ants/Bees etc Procreate via Sex... certainly not as far as how to obtain a Queen. Some do require Sex and some only Mate Once and then all the Eggs they ever Produce are automatically fertilized.
The whole Acid Blood debate, appears to be something maybe born from inconsistencies... compared to the Original Concept and Ideas from Alien Engineers, even to Prometheus as things got changed so only the Hammerpedes were shown to have Acid Blood.
so maybe we can now accept that other Creations on Planet 4 had no Acid Blood apart from the Xenomorph.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Sure the idea is interesting, that is something new.
R35: Yeah but that only goes for the Cameron idea but not egg-morphing.
the original script for alien also states that the xeno had indeed eaten part of Dallas when Ripley says shes gna help him he stops her and states it 'has eaten too much of me'. we also see in AVPR, though those films can be taken with a pinch of salt, the xeno eating next to the pool before the predator rams its spear through the back of its head.
great question dk. we seem to quote certain aspects of the production process to give weight to any point we make, myself included, but id say we should go by what we see on screen unless something is later shown in say a directors cut. before the directors cut of alien, its fair to say that egg morphing was NOT canon even though it appears in both starbeast and the script for alien. plus u have to consider the many people who havnt read the script and have only seen the film. this goes for the movie novels aswell. its the film that takes priority as in the AC novel, Daniels doesn't know its David at the end but the film clearly shows she knows. so the film is right on this occasion as not everyone who has seen the film will have read the novel. in starbeast and the early draft of alien, the xeno gets stuck in the escape pod door when the crew try to lure it in there yet this doesn't take place in the movie so again, the movie takes priority. long way to answer the question I know lol
For Alien, I would go with the DC, but the part you mentioned from the script with Dallas being partially eaten- that is hard to take imo. I like to go with DC or extended cuts since that is what most see. It is solid canon. However, novels and such certainly seem in play as well for those whom dwell deeper. Getting back to the OP, I would say that the Xeno was a carnivore and not vampiritic in its feeding habits- per the movies.
yea id agree that we don't see and there is no mention of Dallas being eaten in the film so id discount my earlier comment. a DC supersedes the original imo.
before the directors cut of alien, its fair to say that egg morphing was NOT canon
That is true, and the theatrical cut is still brilliant. However, that DC cut with the short Brett/Dallas/eggmorph scene changed everything big picture wise imo. Whenever I watch, I click on the DC. Actually, it is all canon if you want it to be.
ali81 "Ripley says shes gunna help him he stops her and states it 'has eaten too much of me''
That's actually quite a chilling and terrifying proposition. Imagine being strung up (eggmorphing or not) and being gnawed on!
I think it comes down to not having a set of RULES to follow for how the Morphs work, and their life-style etc, so what we have is free-range for each movie to change things to suit the Director/Writers.
I think AC shows the Xenomorph and Neomorphs to merely be Predators who will just going around attacking and killing Organisms like Bloodthirsty killers.... It appears the Neomorph was having a bite to eat/blood and well it makes sense as a Organism has to gain some Fuel/Energy. We KNOW nothing about Neomorph Procreation so we cant really be sure HOW/IF the Neomorph can Procreate, we could ponder does it need Blood for this Process? But we have no way to use this as any Factual Basis, the same is for if it needed Energy from Food like most Organisms do.
Alien the Xenomorph was shown to just go around killing people too, its only the DC where we see its agenda was Procreation, the Novel and Earlier Drafts indicate it required Food to Grow. So when combined and looking at the BLACK GOO maybe we can speculate the Xenomorph requires DNA/Food in order to Procreate. So that maybe eating/blood draining is needed for it to then use this Biological Substance to then aid it in Procreation... maybe they need Genetic Material in order to use its Body to then turn this matter (Organic consumes matter from a prey) into the substance they use to construct hives or manipulate a Host into a Egg Morph.
The Question is how does all Morphs from the Black Goo Procreate, do they all have some same basic needs? or is each Organism different?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
When looking at Asexual Reproduction i would like to come back to the Hammerpedes, if we ASSUME this Worms are like a number of Worms found on Earth, and the Black Goo basically took their Regenerative Trait to the Next Level.... Then could it also use the Procreation Traits of the Worms?
The common Earth Worm, is a Hermaphrodite it requires a mate to fertilize the Eggs, so TWO Worms Mate and then both have their Eggs Fertilized and these Eggs Grow inside them, not too dissimilar to the Queen Xenomorphs Egg Sack etc
In Prometheus we saw TWO Hammerpedes together, can we speculate that these Organisms had mated and now both have Eggs?
Why would the Hammerpede had gone down Milburns Throat?
In my Re-write of Prometheus i addressed this by revealing a Hammerpede that gets shot, and we see a Egg Sack with tiny Xenomorph like Eggs inside, and also Milburn has a Chest Buster, to highlight the Hammerpedes had in effect laid a Egg that Evolves into a Morph.
This was because i felt the Hammerpede was a Strong Candidate to explain the Chest Busted Cryo-Pods
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
true iraptus, gruesome indeed. but again, just theory, do u think the xeno injects its victims with a form of parallising toxin that immobilises the victim and would this possibly act as an anaesthetic? perhaps to stop the victim from dying prematurely due to a heart attack possibly?
“it's eaten too much of me…” doesn’t necessarily mean that the alien has literally eaten from him? It could refer to the resin that the alien throws up, which the hosts are entangled in, dissolves the victims and transforms (morphs) them into eggs? As Ripley finds the cocooned Dallas, parts of him might already have been dissolved? On the other hand, the lair is “full of bones, hair, shreds of flesh, pieces of clothing, and shoes” suggests that the alien has eaten (parts) of them?
In “Sea of Sorrows” (canon?) we get to “hear” the aliens thinking (and the main character is telepathic) and the aliens “say” that they use the victims both as food and as hosts for their offspring.
In “The Weyland-Yutani Report” it says that the xenomorph is asexual and I suppose we must take this as canon?
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