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Posted Jan-31-2018 2:19 AM

Now the dust has settled with Alien Covenant, i would like to discus and compare the Xenomorph (Classic) with the Xenomorph (Protomorph) which i will refer to Davids Xenomorph as, because it appears Ridley Scott is going the route of the Alien Covenant Xenomorph being the Predecessor to the Classic 1979 Xenomorph.

The Ovomorph and Face Hugger Stages seem very similar so we shall skip this part.

In order to compare the Xenomorphs i will score them round per round 1/0 or a 1/1 if they are equal.  The Xenomorph (XM) vs Protomorph (PM)

GESTATION:  XM 0 vs PM 1

Alien Covenant seems to show us that the Protomorph has a more faster Gestation Rate, this would be a massive advantage when populating a Target with Xenomorphs. (there is a inconstancy between Oram's and Lope's Gestation time however).

CHESTBUSTER: XM 1 vs PM 0

The Alien Covenant Chest Buster appears to be Fragile and while we don't see much of it as far as movement i will assume the Classic Alien Chest Buster is more quicker and suited for evading capture.

GROWTH RATE: XM 0 vs PM 1

It appears the Protomorph has a faster Growth Rate than the Classic Xenomorph.  This will counter the more fragile looking Chest Buster Stage of the Protomorph if it grows so fast, and again a faster Growth to Adult is a huge advantage to populating a target with Xenomorphs.

STRENGTH:  XM 1 vs PM 1

Its hard to gauge this area as we see great strength displayed in both Xenomorphs, and so i think we have to assume they are of similar Strength.

SPEED: XM 0 vs PM 1

While this may be harsh, because in Alien the Xenomorph was confined to cramped spaces, and it was played by a Man in a Suit, i think the Bio-logical differences seen in terms of the legs and the speed we see the Protomorph would give it a advantage over the Xenomorph in this area.

STEALTH: XM 1 vs PM 0

It would appear the Xenomorph is much more better suited as a Hunter, the Protomorph seems to rely less on Stealth and more on Aggression and Speed, which has its advantages but i think in some instances the stealthy tactics of the Xenomorph are a advantage.

AGILITY: XM 1 vs PM 1

Both Xenomorphs display great Agility and ability to climb up different surfaces, i think maybe the Speed combined gives the Protomorph a advantage to being able to use terrain to scale a quick attack and ambush, however the Xenomorph uses its Agility to Ambush from using the Environments to its advantage so this ones another Draw.

AGGRESSION: XM 0 vs PM 1

The Protomorph displays great Aggression wich has its advantages and disadvantages and while the Protomorph is more Aggressive, this Aggression can sometimes be a weakness. 

INTELLIGENCE: XM 1 vs PM 0

The Xenomorph seems to show much more intelligence than the more Animalistic Protomorph, even if we consider the Aliens Xenomorphs.  The Xenomorphs better awareness and use of its surroundings compared to the Protomorphs rushing in, would be a big advantage to the Xenomorph.

RESILIENCE: XM 1 vs PM 1

Both Xenomorphs display great Resilience, this is a hard one to call, and just because we dont see the Xenomorph killed, does not mean it cant be killed.  The Protomorph we have seen can take some damage, and while Cameron's Aliens were easy to dispatch i am going to have to call this one Evens. 

REPRODUCTION: XM 1 vs PM 0

This is hard to judge, because we dont see either Procreate, only in Aliens we see we can have a Queen.  But we dont have enough to really see how a Protomorph would Procreate, if we look at the Alien DC extended Scene then the Xenomorph has the Egg Morph and its a Question of if the Protomorphs have any ability to Procreate either by Egg Morph or Producing a Queen.  If they could i would still say that if both can Procreate the same, that the Xenomorph holds the Advantage due to its Stealth, and Intelligence.

Xenomorph: 7 vs Protomorph 7

Based on those Criteria, its evens.  I would say that a Xenomorph vs Protomorph battle would be a slight advantage to the Protomorph and that a battle vs Non-Intelligent Organisms the Protomorph again would be the more supreme hunter.

However... against Intelligent Species i feel the Classic Xenomorph has a advantage due to its Stealth and Intelligence.

Do you agree?  Or what are your thoughts on the Xenomorph's which has the more Superior Biology and which is the more Deadly Threat?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

19 Responses to Xenomorph VS Protomorph

dk

Jan-31-2018 9:08 AM

Pretty much agree. I lean toward the XM.

dk

Jan-31-2018 9:08 AM

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daliens

Jan-31-2018 9:39 AM

Thanks for this analysis  BigDave.

IMO XM is superior to PM.

I remember that deleted scene before XM got Brett, it was swinging in some kind of a ritual, like Brett was chosen in that moment for egg morphing. 

The PM would have banged his head against the walls and mindlessly killed everyone.

XM seemed slower but all the more frightening.

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Dark Nebula

Jan-31-2018 9:45 AM

I agree with most of the criteria, but I would go with the Proto xenomorph chestburster. The classic chestburster is born snake-like and after it bursts from its host it scurries away until it reaches its adult form. The proto-xenomorph chestburster was much like the neomorph bloodburster, which was already born with arms, legs and spiky tail so I would assume it would be capable of defending itself.

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daliens

Jan-31-2018 9:58 AM

The PM chestburster seems more vulnerable than the neomorph. The Deacon too. Since no parents are around to protect them they should be able to run and hide until they can defend themselves.

 

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Ati

Jan-31-2018 1:33 PM

Profound comparison, BigDave, thank you.

The Covenant scene in which the protomorph attacks the crane makes me think that the xeno is the better version. I believe David thinks the same...

BigDave

Jan-31-2018 6:54 PM

Indeed i think its a case of asking what would be the greater threat....

Coming across a Tribe of Cave Men, or Pre History so Humans from 8-10'000 years ago or coming across a Troop/Group of Apes be it Chimpanzees or Gorillas and then asking which encounter would be the most deadly.

While Apes would be a Psychical Threat i think that over the long term, i.e chances of long term survival then encountering a Early History Human would be the greater threat.  Due to their Superior Intelligence and Team Work compared to Apes.

I see this being the deciding Factor between the Xenomorph and Protomorph,  Intelligence OVER Animal Instinct would be the greater Factor, certainly as far as VS Humans.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

Jan-31-2018 7:10 PM

The 1979 Xeno wins. It has intelligence, cunning and physical attributes (the perfect organism). The proto is brutal and impulsive. A force to be reckoned with for sure, but may not last over the long haul from what we have seen.

Spearfish

Jan-31-2018 7:36 PM

Both fall victim to the thin, untrained female human.  So I think humans win here.  Especially females.

dk

Jan-31-2018 8:02 PM

Spearfish Ripley fits your descriptions. She died.

Spearfish

Feb-01-2018 3:24 PM

Just having fun on a slow day, but DK - we all die, so I ask what was her kill count at that moment?  And in addition, she killed 2 queens.  But if pressed to get back on topic, I would say the Xeno's perceived cunning would prevail unless sheer numbers (a hoard of animalistic protos) overwhelmed it.

Spearfish

Feb-01-2018 3:47 PM

Would be interesting to see a 3v3.  The Xeno's would likely set a trap and the overly aggressive Proto would rush in guns-a-blazin.  Although it seems with what I know, that the fight would be a race to the bottom.  They kill and don't hunt, so food would dry up.  I wish the original film would have addressed this lifecycle issue.  I think it may have been planned but they shelved it.  If you consider the deleted scenes, the Xeno made eggs, then seemingly prepared for death until Ripley bothered it.  Points to an insect type lifecycle.

Thoughts_Dreams

Feb-02-2018 12:13 PM

I will probably always dislike the raise up the arms and say hi to David – scene, it looked dumb. The morph at the ship looked interesting.

BigDave

Feb-02-2018 3:48 PM

I think that Scene did unsettle a lot of fans Thoughts_Dreams on one hand it was quite beautiful but on the other it was totally ignoring Alien Lore.. We have to Question how does this Evolve into the Alien Chest Buster which looks a Evolutionary Step Back?  Unless David was EVOLVING the Xenomorph.

The Scene in part seemed cheesy as far as how it seemed to follow the actions/movements of David, but i think this was to Emphasize that David was the Puppet Master/Creator.  There are also numerous connections regarding the way David Raised his Arms up, as far as in Philosophy and Mythology.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Leto

Feb-03-2018 1:08 AM

This thread makes me think about comparing the classical "Big Chap" Xenomorph and the bug Xenomorph (Cameron's). Obviously, these two species have much difference from each other (or even more), than the Protomorph and the Xenomorph. This applies to the physical characteristics and behavior. And appearance too.

BigDave

Feb-04-2018 8:11 AM

Good Point...  i know a lot of Cameron's Bug Haters view those Xenomorphs as in-superior and brainless, but actually they seemed to show more Intelligence than the 1979 Xenomorph that basically just went around stalking its prey and killing them.  (The DC versions shows it actually had a Procreation Agenda).

The ALIEN Xenomorph was never pitted against Military Expertise and Weapons and to quote DUTCH from Predator...."if it bleeds, it dies"   so the Xenomorph was not as indestructible as some thought, and while the Xenomorphs in Aliens seemed to just flock to their deaths, i claimed before this is due to Numbers, and if the aim was to Protect the Queen and Hive, and they had greater numbers, then just like in the Military you would sacrifice yourself for the objective and have a less cautious approach when in greater numbers against what you persevere as a lesser threat.

The 1979 Xenomorph was alone, had a Agenda to Procreate the Eggs and so would be like dropping in a Special Agent into a Conflict zone like a James Bond, and so Stealth has to be key.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Feb-04-2018 8:20 AM

I will have a crack at it though....  So we have the Xenomorph (XM) vs Cameron Morph (CM)

GESTATION:  XM 1 vs CM 1

We dont get much to judge by, so we can only assume they are similar.


CHESTBUSTER: XM 1 vs CM 1

They appear to be the same


GROWTH RATE: XM 1 vs CM 1

Again we dont have no time-line for Aliens Growth so we have to assume they are similar.


STRENGTH:  XM 1 vs CM 1

I would say there is not much difference in this department too.


SPEED: XM 1 vs CM 1

Both we can assume are of similar speed, there is nothing to suggest one is faster than the other.


STEALTH: XM 1 vs CM 0

The Classic Xenomorph used more Stealth, but the Aliens ones also use the Environment to their advantage.


AGILITY: XM 1 vs CM 1

Again there is not much seen that can conclusively suggest one is better than the other.


AGGRESSION: XM 0 vs CM 1

The Aliens Xenomorphs showed more Aggression IMO


INTELLIGENCE: XM 1 vs CM 1

Both showed signs of Intelligence, for different scenarios so this is too close to call


RESILIENCE: XM 1 vs CM 1

Cant judge this until we see a Classic Xenomorph shot at by Military Grade Explosive Rounds.


REPRODUCTION: XM 1 vs CM 1

Both showed that Procreation was the Agenda (Alien DC) and they had to tackle different ways to gain/protect this agenda so this is another one thats hard to call.

Overall:   Xenomorph 10 vs Camerons Bugs 10

The difference being one showed more Aggression, the other more Stealth.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Feb-05-2018 9:37 AM

Few have the credibility to construct a legitimate rating system for the morph organisms we have seen so far. I can't imagine that anyone else could do a better job in this arena than you BigDave. Thank you.

Growth Rate; Lope and Oram's protomorph gestation is hard to reconcile because we don't know how long Oram was out but it certainly seemed like Oram had more time to make it to the Covenant after running across the surface of Planet 4 shortly after making his way out of the temple. Kane had much more time.

I believe that STEALTH was one of the most significant differences seen between XM and PM and shown to explain the variance in the organisms.

The protomorph was washed with Tennessee's jet engines and could be a little mad from that and it could be why we saw such a "wild" morph fighting Daniels on the drop ship.

We now know that the xenomorph is at the very least a product of radical AI and the xenomorph showed an advanced intuition towards stalking prey. And displayed patience in killing prey slowly once cornered (Parker and Lambert).

The xenomorph from Alien either could sense the Nostromo internal systems all funneling towards the Narcissus ship (above) and it's escape pod ability or it smelled where the crew collected for long periods of time and went and hid there. None of this behavior is expected from the protomorph after witnessing it hunt in Alien: Covenant.

 

Thoughts_Dreams

Feb-05-2018 10:24 AM

Big Dave: It is nice from an aesthetic point of view but it is just dumb looking at the context of the alien saga as a whole. Unfortunately it came off as embarrassing. Alright it is one thing if David does that version but I would rather have it that the Xeno would have attacked David which would show its pure survival instinct (no conscience, morality, and what ever Ash said).

Cheesy? That is to describe it too nicely, totally ridiculous is what I would say. I understand that it was to show that David was the creator but it could have been shown in a better way that would not come off as dumb. Unfortunately this is one of the things that just adds to the list of silly or bad things in Alien Covenant.

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