wev discussed many things on here about Covenant and at times people have expressed their like or dislike to a particular situation or event in the film. it would be interesting to hear what things in Alien Covenant people liked and disliked, actually specify what u think helped further the franchise or do u think something specifically damaged the franchise etc.
personally, I loved the setting and the visual effects. I think the design of the Neomorph was spot on. looked menacing but I think they missed an opportunity. wev seen in comics and in the Spaights 'alien engineers' script, a similar creature can almost become gelatinous and squeeze through gaps far too small for others to fit through. id have liked to have seen that. I like the Protomorph design and glad they went with something that obviously predates the xeno we all know as to me it shows there is something older than the xeno and allows for more plots within the franchise which can only be a positive. how it is used though is yet to be seen.
the biggest let down for me, and there are soooooo many, was how the engineers were used. I just felt Prometheus put them in this all powerful light and AC just made them look like total dweebs with absolutely no back story. other than that the movie simply sucks imo. I hate how RS is going with the 'David created the xeno in alien' route. for me its not good for the franchise and I just don't think ill be able to get excited about awakening or have any burning desire to watch it like I did with AC. iv seen AC 3 times now and there wont be a 4th. the extra scenes were totally pointless as they add nothing of real interest to the movie or the franchise.
I agree on the extra scenes could be better, in prometheus the engineer who talks, I was stunned, an ingredient like that could be effective as extra in AC.For the next movie between news and various inspirations, I think it will be a film which combines Prometheus and AC in a single film.
The mystery of the Engineers is too exciting to leave it hidden again.
The character that I preferred of the crew was Walter because despite being an android, in his I is something more, but has not yet come out from being alive enough.
I am convinced that David was right, Walter loves Daniels, but he does not know what love is
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
it would be interesting to see if Walter survives or not as wel always have that 'whos side is he on' question.
based on the song the entrance of the gods in the vahlhalla, there is a myth about this, it is called RAGNAROK, the engineers should find the only body left, presumably the body of David intact, maybe the CPU of Walter them on the floor in the hall of the heads.
the engineer could not do anything other than insert the CPU, assuming that this is the problem and put Walter into operation to discover the architect.
I would see this act as the cavalcade of the Valkyries, towards Origae, the last horizon of ancient civilization.
they would only find death, but in time to understand who the space jokey is.
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
Let us see...
Likes: The attempt to spend more time with higher quality characters, Michael Fassbender's performance, David's descent into madness, the color pallete, the cinematography, the action sequences, the shower scene, David/Oram/Neomorph scene, the David/Walter scene (technically, it was amazing and it also pretty well written), the design of the Covenant, the protomorph design, the sound design, the questions and themes behind the story, and the final scenes (very scary and tense reveal of David even if we all saw it coming).
Dislikes: the design of the city (cool, but not what I wanted), the design of the engineers, the discarding of the engineers, the pacing/runttime, the human characters were once again pretty weak, it was not horror (I don't mind straight scifi, but they keep promising to scare the shit out of me. There are absolutely some scary ideas and themes going, but these aren't horror movies to me), the editing, and the final scene is great but sets up the next film to start with yet another underwhelming human protagonist.
Not a map, an invitation
Thank you cuponator3000 for listing my Likes above. I loved Alien: Covenant too.
From this list, I would edit one thing to reconcile my opinion on the shower scene. Someone before mentioned that scene could have been more like Ripley and Clemens in Alien 3 relaxing and talking...then the xenomorph. I agree but that is a small personal preference and a "so what" overall in my opinion of what should have been different in the film.
Dislikes: The transition from Prometheus to Alien: Covenant with very little to explain what happened to Dr. Shaw. Yes, I saw what happened but what I want to see is Dr. Shaw's reaction when she wants to burn incense in a cabin built by the lake and David tells her he wants to build a xenomorph queen. I bet momma was pissed with his bait and switch after she glued his head back on and then drank algae-malts the whole juggernaut trip. I want to see that argument and I could care less if only one side is organic.
Nice topic ali81, thank you.
Likes- Pretty much everything is stated above.
Dislikes- Deleted scenes added would have gone a long way making the movie better. The David/Shaw clip should have been incorporated in the beginning somehow. I just was not too keen on the neomorph for some reason. These may not have been an issue had I not chosen to view the tons of spoilers and just waited for the movie. By the time I saw the movie, a lot had already been revealed. Disney- ixnay on the oilers spay!
they keep promising to scare the shit out of me. I think a return to the less is more approach could help. The imagination can't work as well when most everything is shown.
dk, defo, the trailers def gave the film away. they should never have shown the back burster or neomorph. maybe even keeping the motes a secret would have been a better way to go aswell
ali81 What happened with Walter could make for some fine fan fiction. I saw a story that might be on BWW's sticky that was really good.
I will divide this into two sections simply the like section and the dislike part.
I like the landscapes and it was interesting to see how the Engineer city looked like. The David and Walter characters were interesting, to see the difference between them. As with most movies I am fine with the monsters (I write most since the monsters in AR were not that good and yes I think that they were better in Prometheus) so they got this right also. Oram was interesting so I liked that part of the movie. What they did right was that the characters were not as annoying as Prometheus but very few characters had any specific character traits which made them their own so to speak. No Shaw! :D
Once again they messed up the characters, if Prometheus had them as annoying the characters here lack any specific character traits which you can point at and go "this person is this and that which separates him or her from that character which is more like XYZ". Being that this is a problem you never remember a lot about them because we get no information what they are about. Unfortunately they spent less time with the Engineers, which was a let down. They Engineer city could easily have been a lot better. AC also mishandled the Xenomorph (death by crane jumping, duh!) but I liked the Neomorph. My constant complaint is that they spent too much focus on the androids and had them talking to each-other a lot at the expense of the human characters.
"I am convinced that David was right, Walter loves Daniels, but he does not know what love is"
Not to be an ass but how big is the possibility that David knows that?
Yes like Ali81 I also dislike how Scott is going with the idea that David created the Xeno, that absolutely sucks. They got to abandon that idea or else I will look at the prequels as laughing material with many bad ideas and underdeveloped characters. Maybe they should reboot the prequels? Perhaps this would be a middle finger to Scott but I do not care since there is too many bad things about them.
The scene with Ripley and Clemens when they talk and he gives his story and then the Xeno kills him is just a good ending and fits with the mood of the movie in general. Clemens was an interesting character so it was sad to see him die but it fits with the tone of the movie.
Go back to the first three Alien movies to see how you get the characters right. Those that come after get the character parts wrong, mostly.
Sign in to add a reply to this topic!