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Posted Jan-24-2018 4:57 AM

Have you guys seen this video? Interesting details on the Engineers from the Prometheus script. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ONSFeRy9iQ

 

17 Responses to Prometheus Clues

BigDave

Jan-24-2018 7:18 AM

This Script had been covered here a few times and recently HERE

I would be 95% certain this is a Fan Edit of Lindeloffs Paradise, where they have taken some theories and applied them to the Draft, they had used some things that were hinted from Jon Spaights Alien Engineers, i think the draft has flaws that dont add up to what Lindeloff has commented on in the past.

But even so its a nice effort by who ever did this draft, but i feel it is FAKE.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Jan-24-2018 7:24 AM

But what is you are wrong and its not a fake? This information if it was included would have made Prometheus a FAR better film. It makes so much sense too. The movie would have been so much less open ended and disjointed. 

BigDave

Jan-24-2018 8:00 AM

I think a bit of ambiguity helps, but i think Prometheus was too ambiguous for people.  There are a few differences to the way this draft was done as far as parts that was different to Lindeloffs Paradise, that look like they are not laid out in the style of Lindeloff.

There are some other flaws too...

I will latter attempt to go through the drafts changes and highlight what i think does not add up and makes me suspect this is not Lindeloffs work.   I will however say it would have made a more interesting movie, some of the changes would... some dont add up to what previous drafts and comments prior and after by Ridley Scott and Lindeloff, there are some flaws and contradictions too.

But as far as theories, this draft does add some theories that could work...  i think maybe we could try and contact Damon Lindeloff and see if this is Legit or not, i think on AVPGalaxy they had done that and concluded the Draft is Fake.   But i dont really visit that site so i cant be sure..  I think its very likely its a Fan Edit, but i dont recall Lindeloff coming out to Confirm or Deny this.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Jan-24-2018 8:09 AM

Also, keep in mind Ridley ect contradict themselves constantly in interviews...

BigDave

Jan-24-2018 8:40 AM

Very True....

You have to wonder did they ever have a A-Z Plan, and if so it appears they never stick to it, and it appears a lot of times like its a Make it up as you go along, or constantly changing mind on certain things without any thought of how it effects or contradicts the prior information/clues.

Hopefully they NOW have a idea of where things fit within the Franchise, we can only hope that 10 Page Alien Franchise Guidebook has the answers even if they are never explored, as long as this Guide Book has the Answers that future movies etc will stick too, instead of a constant changing of ideas/direction.  I also hope this Guide Book is NOT just a Book regarding the Xenomorph and Alien Franchise but also a guide to the Purpose/Agenda of the Engineers, connection to Black Goo, Mankind etc

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Jan-25-2018 6:45 AM

What baffles me most his how all of these incredible concept artworks we are seeing were rejected, there was the potential for the best Alien movie yet in all of this that was cut from the prequels especially AC. 

BigDave

Jan-25-2018 8:18 AM

You can at times Question those working on the Project and make the Final Call....

I think with Prometheus, as they changed the direction to tone down the Xenomorph DNA, they took this one step further by changing some things like Fifield Concepts, right down to giving us just a Toxic Avenger looking Zombie...  Which maybe was because they felt the other ideas were TOO Alieny.

With Alien Covenant there was some very much HR Giger Aesthetics that they had been told to tone down, there was a lot of cool concepts and props in Davids Work-shop and i feel we just could not have enough time to explore these in the movie as it was already trying to cover so much in such a limited time.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Jan-25-2018 3:49 PM

Thank you Critters5. I've gone through the script and each time I find something new and interesting. Nice video.

Thoughts_Dreams

Jan-29-2018 8:25 AM

That picture gives me the creeps, I don't know why.

As far as being too alieny, if you do an alien prequel then it should be more tied to it and not being too vague. To say that it is too alieny is to make a movie about Donald duck in his early years and then you show a relative to him and you complain that it looks too much like a duck, that is just bizarre to me. Either make it a prequel that is a bit closer to it or do not make it at all if it will be too ambiguous.

BigDave

Jan-29-2018 4:18 PM

I actually enjoy the ambiguity, as i like to have movies challenge you to think, but for some its just too much of a investment of time, and i think they used a little bit too much ambiguity.

I agree that some of the things could have been done to show us a bit more Xenomorph DNA connection.  I can totally understand the  route Ridley Scott was going though which was a thought provoking kind of movie rather than a Action/Horror Flick.  The Problem is though as its set in the ALIEN universe a number of fans are going to expect more Alien Connections, and even though the Project started more closer to a Alien Prequel, it evolved into a loose Prequel that was set in the same universe, trying to offer a few clues but move onto something more different.

FOX/RS thought in Hindsight this was maybe a mistake and so we ended up with a more direct prequel to Alien with Alien Covenant, which would now draw closer to Alien with the sequels rather than further away.  And yet now a number of Fans are not pleased with that direction.

I hope they just have a Plan Now, and Screw the Fans, because you can never get to please them all, and just give us a Good set of sequels that are Coherent and connect the dots more and not keep changing direction every-time a movie gets some criticism etc.   I feel in hindsight they should have kept with what ever plans they had before bringing Harper and Logan on board.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Jan-30-2018 5:45 AM

Bigdave, have you heard any news on the sequels actually going forward in the past week or so? 

BigDave

Jan-30-2018 9:09 AM

I am about in as much of the know as every one else on here ;)  I can only speculate really, and i think they are going to be in a state of limbo at the moment.  But i am sure when Ridley Scott sits down and talks to Disney about doing the Merlin Project which appears Disney hope will have a similar impact as the Lord of the Rings Trilogy and Hobbit by Peter Jackson.

If/When Ridley Scott is in talks with Disney i am sure if RS is accepted to Direct the Disney Merlin Project then he would maybe talk to them about the Alien Franchise, because you can bet that Ridley Scott feels like they FINALLY have got on track to giving Fans the Answers that lead up to the movie ALIEN and while this Project appears to be a TWO movie Prequels before we get to find out HOW/WHEN those Eggs get on the Derelict, with David involved in this PLOT/DIRECTION then RS would know that it would be hard to do these Prequels in 5-10 years because if David plays a Large role, then Androids should not Age and so for the whole Plot/Franchise to have any plausibility they dont want to end up casting a 45-50 year old Fassbender to play the role of a Android with the appearance of a 35-40 year old Fassbender.  Unless CGI is more practical and cheaper in 5-10 years.   While giving us very good results.

The other thing i think Ridley Scott would push is to capitalize on the 40th Anniversary of Alien in 2019 and looking at the Planned Shooting Date and Release for Alien Covenants Sequel it would have meant a release date of April... and so April 26th    as in 4/26/2019 USA format would be very good for marketing.

If Disney hear this off RS, i think they may be prepared to do something, but i feel RS will be pressured to make the movie a Direct Alien Prequel where the movies events would lead or at least leave the clues to how the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph Eggs that lead to those on the Derelict are created.  I think Disney would want a movie where at the very End... Fans will know  What leads to those Eggs on the Derelict, which may mean the movie if it goes ahead would have to by-pass Ridley Scotts sequel plans unless he is given a 2.5 hour Run-time to play with.

The Set Up seems quite straight forwards though... and would require TWO movies.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Jan-30-2018 9:51 AM

Is the Merlin project a movie or a show? I think you are right that if would be given one film that would rush to the finish line. At least then we can start a fresh with a new director and direction. In future years perhaps someone can go back to the prequels and do something that fits in between (granted it doesn't need Fashbender or Niomi.)

BigDave

Jan-31-2018 1:36 AM

I think the Merlin Project is a Movie, be it a TV movie Series or a Theatrical one.  I am not sure though, but i dont think its a TV Series i.e 45 min run time episodes, it appears it will be a series of Films. It appears it will be some kind of Saga and so not a Stand Alone Movie so maybe a Trilogy?  Hopefully we shall get some more news in the coming months.

The Alien Franchise is in a state of Limbo at the moment, Disney could do a sequel to AC way down the line and it would not even need Fassbender, because they could just set the movie in the aftermath of Origae-6 where Fassbender could appear as a Damaged Android and maybe a few Flash Backs with aid of CGI.

A kind of movie that would pick up from where RS would have taken the sequel to Alien Covenant, and so actually the 3rd planned Prequel that would tie to ALIEN and be set after the (on hold) Alien Covenant Sequel.   A title like Alien Awakening would suit a more direct Prequel to Alien to be honest.

I agree that in future their is scope to do other Franchise movies that can be set within the time-frame of Prometheus ==> Aliens.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

Feb-02-2018 12:41 PM

Big Dave: A certain level of ambiguity is not wrong but Prometheus was too much. I am not sure who told the writers to make it more loose but I think that was a bad thing.

Right now my main hope is that they get the characters right because they obviously can do monsters.

BigDave

Feb-02-2018 3:27 PM

I think it depends fan to fan, some like Mystery some like stuff more Spoon Fed, and i feel Prometheus maybe needed to be a little less ambiguous but some ambiguity is still needed.  I think a BIGGER problem stems from what the movies Plot and Dialog points to compared to some contradicting/ambiguity that can lead to to view those Plot Points and Dialog a bit different to Visual Clues and then comments by Ridley Scott etc can make things even more ambiguous.

This applies to Alien Covenant too, while the Movie sets up certain events that lead us or intends to lead us to one conclusion, there are clues that the keen eye will spot that offer some conflict to certain things (such as the Origin of the Eggs), then we have the Novelization that seems to point more towards those Eggs being something the Engineers Created, but then you have Ridley Scotts comments that point to something else.

Then you will always have fans who are set in their ways of HOW they expect things to be, and so they was maybe not pleased at the Space Jockey = Ancient Bald Humanoids, the same as the Black Goo = Xenomorphs that are a result of David using the Pathogen.

I think the ambiguity is wonderful myself... because a little more Spoon Feeding and we may end up with the Following.

Engineers Created Mankind, Mankind upset them 2000 years ago, Engineers Created a Bio-Weapon to Destroy us thus LV-223 is/was only a Bio-Weapons Facility.

David takes Engineer Ship to their Home-world, Bombards the Engineers who were welcoming a Military Faction back, and then via the Pathogen Infection and experiments with the Black Goo David creates eventually the Xenomorph.

AC does leave some ambiguity to what if the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus took place on Planet 4, and also maybe those Engineers on Planet 4, had already had Xenomorph Eggs...   But its if you look deeper at the inconsistencies between Prometheus and Alien Covenant Plots, that set up ALTERNATIVE explanations...

Which my theories seem to be based off....  Basically is the Juggernauts ARE-NOT Machines of War, but the nature of the Engineers Seeding and Evolving Rituals/Technology could be used as a Weapon, but "To Create One Must First Destroy"

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Feb-02-2018 3:29 PM

But certainly Characters and how they are used and written is something that has to improve, but then we have suffered with Sub-Standard Characters since Alien Resurrection, where every movie since has revolved only around 2-3 well written Characters to a degree.  Only Alien to Alien 3 had the Characters been done well.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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