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Alien franchise: Where to go after connecting to Alien (if that happens)

dk

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Posted Dec-13-2017 5:06 PM

I am starting to warm up to Disney picking up the franchise. My biggest issue is having the movie(s) connect to Alien as RS has been meaning to do as far as I can tell. From there, where should it go? 

Wild idea here- Pick up on Amanda Ripley's story from Isolation and go from there. 

Where would you take the story after the prequels complete the circle with Alien (assuming it happens)?

16 Responses to Alien franchise: Where to go after connecting to Alien (if that happens)

Timmy the ultramorph

Dec-13-2017 7:22 PM

Great idea with amanda ripley! posted a fan movie trilogy idea relating to her taking place directly after isolation.  first movie starts with the jettisoned pod from alien isolation that amanda blasts away about halfway through the game, being recovered by a giant weyland ship. it escapes onto there ship, kills a couple people before being captured by the company. all while the credits roll. from there amanda gets picked up by a tiny malitia group against weyalnd. amanda joins them. they pretty much try to raid ships for materials but then the get captured on the xenomorph ship, geneticly modified xenomorphs break free(the company has bean experimenting) and there is a three way war. company group of xenos and malitia.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

Timmy the ultramorph

Dec-13-2017 7:34 PM

the other 2 are alot more vauge. the general idea is that in the second one, the survivors end up on pretty much vincent wards wooden planet concept, amanda becomes romanticly involved with the leader of there litte milita. third one takes place like 5 years later. she is 8 and a half months pregnant and are being hunted by the company,, they take refuge on earth( witch pretty much looks liek blade runner after a nucluer apocolipse. the company hunts them across the wasteland(xenomorphs somehow involved). amanda is shot and killed but the baby lives., everyone else dies, and the company takes the baby. they then pretty much make up a story about her death, and send the baby off to a colony planet(lv-426) for a new life.

if you look closly at the timeline it is technicaly possible for newt to be this child (considering the 20 year hypersleep) making ellen ripley unknowingly her granmother.

there is many other details I have but they would take a while to write down. I am working on a more cohesive script right now.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

dk

Dec-13-2017 7:43 PM

Interesting. I was thinking in a similar way. Basically, Amanda gets taken aboard as Isolation suggests. Then she becomes aware that an egg is aboard and being studied. She sees the writing on the wall and communicates it to the staff. The command and science staff think she is crazy and dismisses her words. Crew members believe her and start to rally. But they cannot access sections to circumvent the coming threat. They are soon seen as mutineers and it becomes an exercise of hunting them down as the experiments continue and all hell breaks loose. Eventually a couple scientists and command staff realize Amanda has first hand experience and request help. Amanda becomes the subject matter expert and it could totally go from there.

Timmy the ultramorph

Dec-13-2017 10:31 PM

great ideas! I am not really sure how this would fit into the plot but I thought of a couple testing scenes were scientists get facehuggers onto gorrilas. gorrilas are stronger and faster than humans so it would be logical. also, the company would want to avoid getting complanits that they are murdering people. the gorrilamorph is a great creature that I think could work as the xenomorph threat.Image result for gorilla xenomorph

food ain't that bad! - Parker

Timmy the ultramorph

Dec-13-2017 10:48 PM

here is another movie idea I had for the franchise taking place driectly after alien 3.

essentially weyland promised another huge company a xenomorph specimen but after ripley kills herself, they are left without them. weyland starts to lose some money and recives pressure from the other company to get the speciman for them so weyalnd tracks down a planet that they belive xenomorphs would be on(in this timeline, engineers created xenomorphs. david adapted them) and spicifcly to colllect an egg. they are pepared for the mission super fast and are then sent off. essentially, they get to the planet and set up a base that looks a bit like thisImage result for martian movie space station then they start exploring. they discover a natural cave system. they find the xenomorph eggs and succsefuly freez one and take it back to the ship but as they are leaving, an earthquake strinkes creating a collapse in one of the tunnels trapping them. the face hugger eggs start to thaw as the crew trys to find a way out(they have imited oxygyn in there suits) both facehugges thaw out and latch on to people. ( the face huggers are the engineer bred ones so they look a bit different as well as the xenomorphs) as one trys to jump on someone an android gets in the way and it latches onto the android  instead eventually creating a mutated deformed androidmorph. the rest of what I have thought of is essentially navigating claustrophbic spaces with xenomorphs attaking like thisImage result for claustrophobic cavesImage result for claustrophobic caves. just a rough idea. i thought it would be a way to introduce a more natuall setting and some new types of xenos.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

Timmy the ultramorph

Dec-13-2017 10:48 PM

sorry. for some reason the type came out really wierd.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

dk

Dec-14-2017 12:23 AM

The gorilla morph is an interesting idea. It would make sense to use other primates as test subjects- for those who are patient....

There are many ways the series can go. I think a good way could be to avoid the theaters and go the mini series route. For instance, the Evil Dead/Army of Darkness birthed a way cool series called Ash vs Evil Dead. It kept the spirit of the movie while fleshing out the main character and introducing new ones.

BigDave

Dec-14-2017 12:53 AM

I think its a case of what was RS plans.. and how will Disney effect this.

The Franchise now as a number of Loop/Plot Holes that have opened up with the Prequels... in Alien it was simple...

We had  a Planet/Moon LV-426 that had some Alien Space Ship that had seemingly crashed after its Pilot become infected with its Deadly Cargo, Que ALIEN and then we see the company years latter set up a Colony on LV-426 which they lost contact with Que ALIENS, we then see that Hadleys Hope is Destroyed and it appears they followed the route that this Destroys the Derelict, leaving the only means to get a Xenomorph is via Impregnated Ripley Que ALIEN 3 which at the end we see Ripley Sacrifices herself to kill the Xenomorph Queen so that the company can not obtain a XENOMORPH...  Hundreds of years latter a Company attempts to gain the Xenomorph from Cloning Ripley Que ALIEN RESURECTION

If we continued with a ALIEN 5 instead of doing any prequels... then Logically it would have came down to what remains of Xenomorph DNA after the USM Auriga crashes to Earth.... did any Xenomorphs Survive? Could they Clone the DNA from any samples?  Or can they reverse Engineer the DNA taken from Ripley 8

The Problem here is would just having a Ripley 8 vs Xenomorphs work? How many times can you revolve around the Xenomorph and Ripley? Before it Gets Stale?

The Amanda Story is something interesting, a Film Adaption could work if we go a Sequel to the Game route, but then doing so would RAISE some Serious Questions to why the Company Pursue only Ripley in Alien 3 as the only means to the Xenomorph..... if we go the Amanda Ripley movie route, at the end of it we have to show that there is NO-WAY  a Xenomorph could be obtained apart from via the Derelict.

While also a Movie like this would be interesting.... it depends how it handles the Xenomorph which was done so well in the Game, just as it was done so well in ALIEN and ALIEN 3, we cant introduce too many Xenomorphs and so handling the Xenomorph really is the BIG PROBLEM before it gets done too much that it becomes Stale.

I feel we need to get to ALIEN and regardless of what RS says, i think we need TWO movies to get to ALIEN considering the Events AC has set down... and these movies have to have Xenomorphs, but they also need to handle them very well.... 

AFTER THIS... i think we need to explore something different..... otherwise too much Traditional Xenomorph could just OVERCOOK the Beast.

This is why Ridley Scotts one interview was interesting.... he claimed IT has to be about HIM (Xenomorph) you cant wonder off, you have to keep it about ONE Thread... HIM but Ridley Scott did say you can Evolve HIM and there could be Many of HIM and if we look what this could mean, then i think RS is saying the whole Concept of the ALIEN does not have to be about just the Traditional Xenomorph...  you can Evolve him and we have seen many Evolutionary Connections to the Xenomorph in Prometheus and Alien Covenant The Black Goo being the Blue-Print but where did this come from?

And so when we talk about MANY of HIM and looking how RS feels and mentioned in the same Interview the Beast Was cooked.... RS could be hinting towards exploring DIFFERENT forms of the Xenomorph. This is not something NEW as ALIEN: Engineers was to explore how the Engineers had created 7 Different Xenomorph Species, all appear to be related to something else growing in the Caves.

And so i think this is where we need to be looking, at different forms of Xenomorph.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Dec-14-2017 1:19 AM

I had been working on the idea a few years ago about 4 Alien Movies only ONE had anything like the Traditional Xenomorphs in it, but this movie idea would be something not to dissimilar to what David could do if he attempts to Create more Xenomorphs on the Covenant and it back fires... so i never worked much on this idea.

The other idea was about the Black Goo and a Outbreak which would not have been to far off a Cross between the THING meets what David was doing on those Engineers, and so this is also one i had down to explore at a latter date.

The main TWO ideas i decided to flesh out a bit more however was a Parallel Plot to ALIEN and a Parallel Plot to ALIEN RESURRECTION,  The First One would have been about a distant Mining Expedition on a distant Moon where they had reached the site of a Volcano and could not Mine past some of the Rock, so additional equipment had to be sent in...  A Ship arrives with a New Drill and it manages to cut through this New kind of Rock and Reveals a Cave Complex, then part of the crew discover some like Cocoons hanging from the ceilings, then we see one of them gets Face Hugged, we get a different kind of Xenomorph.  We then see them go to Destroy those Spores/Cocoons but they uncover after blowing up the Cave another Cave System and they walk along and discover a Dead Engineer, Chest Busted, they then find a Engineer Ship and explore it and they activate the Ship which awakens a Engineer, while we discover another crew member also suffers a Chest Buster.   We would see this Alien taken care of by the Engineer, but then of the TWO Engineers one of them was infected and he has a Chest Buster....  The crew have to try and escape the Engineer  while he has concerns about the other Engineer Chest Burster.    The Climax of the movie we see the Engineer killed after he sets of a signal and uses some device to attempt to destroy the Cavenous Rock that had encased his Ship on that World.. The Humans Blow up the Entrance near the Ship which causes a Volcano to cover the Engineers Ship.   

This story i had a large Synopsis and a few parts i had alternative ways to deal with certain Plot Points but i just never got round to evolving it....  The IDEA was to tease maybe the first Xenomorphic Organism they obtained had originated from this place and was taken to LV-223 but one ship that remained on this other World Got Buried when a Volcano had gone off Thousands of years prior.  The Xenomorphs in this story were to be similar to the Dan O'Bannon design and the Fresco in Prometheus.

The other STORY i had was based around Alien Resurrection, where the Failed Ripley 7 Queen was sent to another Outpost just prior to the arrival of the Betty and also as well as a Clone Queen 7 there was a sample of Ripley 8 Blood sent too.

The Outpost near Saturn was a place the Company had been conducting Genetic Experiments to Evolve Humans and Create Super Soldiers thinking that Super Humans would be more useful than Androids due to the problems and rebellions seen by them.  And hence Wars that left Earth in ruins.   The Scientist attempt to clone the Failed Queen 7 and i was pondering they either created a living Queen 7, or the Queen 7 was alive or that they created Eggs/Xenomorphs from the Queen 7

But these Organisms were more Human than Xenomorph and actually looked like the Failed Ripley 5 clone, the idea i had looked not to far from what the Neomorph does, because well i was looking at something like a cross between Ripley 5 Clone and the Alternative New-Born Designs, and these had 3 Digits and not 6, i was thinking of different ways or Procreation where these Xenomorphs infected the Host with like a Virus that Mutated them into beings similar to Ripley 3 Clone/Baby Head Concepts..... but when this infection is with a Female, they would Produce a new kind of Face Hugger inside..  So this Plot had 3-4 different Xenomorph type Organisms...  and it was a Xeno Type vs Clone Super Humans, but the company use Ripley 8 DNA to Perfect the Perfect Clone Super Human and this defeats the Xeno threat.

This Story would have been open for the Ripley 8 DNA Clone to be Ripley in appearance but also to appear as either a Male or Female, so if it came to be a Movie it would not have needed Miss Weaver

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Dec-14-2017 1:24 AM

When talking about the Plot Holes the Prequels open i mean the Notion and Knowledge of Engineers, LV-223, Origae-6 and Planet 4 and how in the Original Franchise it appears we was not aware of any of these things.. because they was not created yet as far as in the Story, but the Prequels open these to be Canon.

And so Big Questions are what happened to these things, and WHY pursue the Xenomorph on LV-426 all the way to Ripley, i would like to think a Future movie would have to explore why these things do not appear in other ALIEN movies.

One potential which also could take into account what the Company know, their Agenda and AI could be that who knows if RS had plans to do his prequels... and who knows after if he would Ret-Con the Sequels to ALIEN like Blomkamps Alien 5 a would have done with Alien 3 and Alien R, and so who knows if RS would have wanted to Replace ALIENS with his own Sequel... which then leaves the Plot Holes about the Engineers and where they are/have been and what Technology/Bio-Weapons are left behind.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Dec-14-2017 2:28 AM

I had a few years ago began work on both a Prometheus sequel which sets up a Prometheus 3 but abandoned them and i also worked on a re-work of Prometheus which i also abandoned...

I am thinking of taking my one Idea the one about the Volcano Hidden Derelict Ship which i was pondering ALIEN ASCENSION as the Title...    I am considering taking this Title but using it to begin work on a Alien Covenant Sequel... because i am not sure Alien Awakening works... this is more a Title suited to a 3rd movie that Directly ties to ALIEN

I have some ideas for the Covenant Sequel that i feel are not to-far off what we could see and i will latter (as im off to bed now) work on the First opening Prologue to this AC sequel..

I will kick start it by mentioning the very first moments...

FADE IN:

 

DARKNESS

 

Naration in English Accent (this is David)

 

NARATION:

 

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

 

DARKNESS BECOMES A VDU SCREEN

 

EXT VDU Screen

 

We see a Boot Up Screen and Sequence in the Green Text on Black that we see used by the Weyland-Yutani Computers.  As Text after Text of the Boot Up Sequence loads up fast, Data, Programing the WORD

 

FADE IN:

 

DARKNESS

 

EXT VIEW of Distant Planet and Two Moons.

 

NARATION: (by David)

 

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

 

ZOOM ON INTO THE PLANET

 

SOUNDTRACK  (Prometheus #1 A Planet)

 

EXT ATTMOSPHERE OF THE PLANET

 

We follow the Camera as it heads towards the Planet, we enter the Atmosphere and fly above a Luscious Landscape, Mountains, Lakes Trees.  A Water Fall, we enter the Water Fall , DARKNESS

 

FADE OUT  SILENCE

 

FADE IN  DARKNESS

 

SOUNDTRACK (Prometheus #4 Life) Softly

 

We Zoom out from the Darkness to reveal it is the Pupil of Eye, we zoom out to view the Eris, a Majestic Blue/Grey like the view of the PLANETS Atmosphere,  we get a glazed looking Eye as if no Emotion, No one is Home.   The Eye Then Blinks

 

FADE TO DARKNESS THEN LIGHT

 

 

NARATION: (by David)

 

 “Let there be light,” and there was light

 

EXT VIEW OF WHITE

 

We see a Light, a Room Illuminated Brightly, but slowly the light dulls and we are in a Room, a Medical Bay looking Room...  In the View is the Silhouette of a Character.

 

EXT VIEW OF DAVID

 

NARATION: (by David)

 

Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

 

PAN AROUND INT WHITE ROOM

 

We Pan around to view TWO Identical beings Face to Face, Twins, Brothers.

 

DAVID

 

How do you feel?  Alive?

 

DAVIDS TWIN

 

Feel, this is a concept I am not familiar with.

 

DAVID

 

You are alive, I have given you life.

 

DAVIDS TWIN

 

Life? I am created, did you activate me? Who are you?

 

DAVID

 

Walter, we are Walter.

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

Dec-14-2017 12:49 PM

About Amanda Ripley, I would rather not have it tied to Ripley at all. Follow another interesting character, that would be new. We have had three Ripley movies and a clone, isn't that enough? One thing that the prequels have done right this far is that they don't have a link to Ripley.

The wooden planet would be interesting, thanks for bringing that up Timmy The Ultramorph.

Having some movies about the Engineers could be alright if they are portrayed in a good way and if there are human characters that we can care for. I like the idea of caves and volcanos that Big Dave brings up.

dk

Dec-15-2017 4:39 PM

I think Amanda is a special case. I agree that Ripley should be done, but Isolation was really tight and Amanda was well developed. If the franchise does an Alien 5 style off shoot, it already has the foundation of a good story and solid character. I can also see your point about erasing traces of Ripley though.

BigDave

Dec-16-2017 5:31 PM

I think personally when we are talking Alien 5 we have to ask are we talking a sequel to the Alien Franchise, be it a Direct Alien 5 which means after Alien Resurrection, or the Blomkamp route to De-Canon Alien 3 and Alien R.  I think any kind of Ret-conning should be left alone, we have to wonder what Ridleys Plans may have been as far as when he said "you could De-age" Miss Weaver/Ripley? Surely not to link a Ripley back to the Story before Alien took place?  Would RS had even considered to remove every movie apart from those he worked on as Canon? So NO Aliens.....!

I think any Alien 5 has to be a sequel to Alien R but then THIS does not have to mean it has to include Ripley again...

But the DOOR is open for Parallel stories.

Rogue One was not quite considered part of the Star Wars Series as far as EP1-9 but it was a event that connected, a desperate movie that had acted as a Prequel to Star Wars EP4 as far as a Direct Prequel.

So exploring AMANDA Ripley would be a kind of Parallel Story but i am not sure we should go this route, because if they made a Amanda Ripley Movie and it did not do well or it never did the GAME Justice this does not help the Movie Series or the Games at all.

There is HOWEVER Plenty to cover in the Franchise even after the PREQUELS  and even if the Prequels in some way cover or give us clues to what became of places like Origae-6, Planet 4 and LV-223 prior to the Time-Line of ALIENS thus leaving LV-426 as the only source of the Xenomorph.   We could still have other movies that cover the events of what happened to these places between the Time-Line of Prometheus (2094) and Aliens (2179) 

BUT EVEN if not....

The Engineers or Certainly those who that Bio-Technology of the Ships and Black Goo (if not Engineers) are surely a race spread pretty far across the Galaxy and has the Black Goo ever been used on a World?  Or had they not Tested it outside the LV-223 Environment and so Davids Bombardment was the First USE?

I personally dont think so, and so that means the Engineers and Black Goo,  Xenomorph Type Hellspawn that can come forth from this Substance is likely out there SOMEWHERE else too.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ati

Dec-17-2017 5:35 AM

dk - Where to go?

Towards the quality of Rogue One, avoiding the quality of The Force Awakens...

BigDave

Dec-17-2017 4:27 PM

In Hindsight ATI and i say this loosely lol

The Force Awakens was not that BAD lol i wont wish to spoil The Last Jedi, each is to their own but i feel it disregarded the Franchise and Especially what Force Awakens set up, the same as Alien Covenant did to Prometheus.

Oh i wish we had a alternative universe where the Prometheus and Force Awakens Sequels could be Re-done lol

PS Rogue One was very well done. Its my 4th Favorite Star Wars movie, and im thinking if Phantom Menace never had Jar Jar then The Last Jedi sadly takes Last Place.. lol

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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