it is looking like disney is buying fox for sure now and its not likely that they are going to give any more prequel alien movies. probably just awakening to wrapp things up. they are interested in making money and right now the big selling alien movie idea is blomcamps alien 5.
now although I personally do not suport erasing alien 3 and 4, blomcamps movie is the most likley to be made.
here is the thing. I do not think it is nessasary to erase alien 3 and 4 to have an alien movie with ripley hicks and newt. here is my idea.
when alien 3 actually starts is never actually stated explicitly so it could very well happen like a year or 2 after aliens. in-between this time, there is enough time to tell a story and it could possibly even explain how the alien egg got aboard in alien 3. the oly thing that would have to be scrapped is newt being an adult. that just dosn't fit the timelines. also a ripley and hicks would nead makeup and cg to look a bit younger but other than that, i think it would work.
let me know what you think of this idea.
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Not a bad idea. The biggest issue would be explaining the rogue egg. They can't go back to a place that got nuked. Landing elsewhere and picking an egg- a royal egg at that- would be a stretch. Other than that, I like your idea.
I explored the possibilities of this in my ALIEN 5 Resurrect or Purge Topic this was prior to the Disney Take over News and i think Disney could be looking at what the FANS want instead of what Ridley Scott wants, which could be Good News for those wanting a ALIEN 5
The thing with Disney is they have more $$$$$ than FOX and so while SLIM they could be prepared to go about Producing another Alien Prequel as well as a Alien Franchise Sequel at the same/similar time, so we get Back to Back Alien movies as far as being a year or so apart... But this is still Slim...
I think Disney will follow through on finishing the Prequels... the Question now is do they make a Direct Prequel to ALIEN by-passing most of the Plans in the Time-line from NOW (AC) in the year 2104 and the year 2122 for ALIEN, it appears we would need TWO movies but then its if Disney Decide to By-Pass One of those.
The Franchise has a missing Movie/Event from Prometheus and this is covering the Time Between the end of Prometheus and the Start of Alien Covenant, the Crossing Prologue gave a tiny insight to this but Alien Covenant was basically a Movie that Skipped past those Events.
Its a bit of a drawn out time of events and limited between the end of AC and Alien, and i think the plans would be to pretty much By-Pass much of what David does from now on until they arrive at Origae-6 and so the plan would likely be to base the movie at a time after they arrive on Origae-6 but we still need One More movie at least to cover the events of after this to getting to HOW/WHEN/WHY the Derelict Ship ends up on LV-426.
The Question now is would Disney just By-pass the events of the Next Planned movie to bring about a Direct Alien Prequel?
Would Disney even ignore the Prequels and then Reboot them?
I think Disney will look at the most successful Alien Movies, which are ALIEN and ALIENS and they would attempt to do them justice, while also having some Respect for Ridley Scott and his plans... but i think they would ULTIMATELY look at what they feel the Majority of Fans Want
We also have to consider what the Chief Execs at Disney who will be in charge of the Franchise think, could they want to put their own IDEAS into the Franchise? who knows..
I think there is more chance of ALIEN 5 at least as far as some of those ideas and a actual Alien 5 movie, but this does not mean it will be directly Blomkamps entire idea, i am not sure Disney will want to remove Alien 3 and Alien R as Canon.... but i think they would consider bringing Ripley back... and Queens and Eggs
But i cant see them abandon the Prequels... they will want to Answer those Events that lead up to ALIEN its a case of will we get RS plans? I think Disney will look at what they feel the Fans want and so this could effect the impact DAVID has in the Franchise.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@"i think it would work"
Your idea is the most horrible, which I heard. To make a movie with fans favorite characters and know that they will still die? Will once again fight for their lives and still die? No! NEVER! That a nonsense! Even fanfiction don't use this abominable plot.
You should know, what Alien3 is the worst movie in the franchise. It is not only my thoughts. This was a first movie, which separate the alien community. The millions fans hate this movie. And 20th Century Fox hate this movie. This not a part of mythical "alien trilogy".
Alien3 must be retconed. Don't justify the garbage.
P.S. Aliens and Alien3 place in 2179 year. The time interval between them is only 2 weeks. The egg (1 egg and 2 facehuggers, don't forget) is just a magic. Nothing more. And Alien3-4 is just a cryosleep nightmare.
Leto Now that you have been rude to the thread creator and trashed a movie many forum members revere, perhaps you can offer an idea instead of trashing some one else's?
I have a great idea - retcon with erasing Alien3-4. This will be fair.
Or, if you don't want to erasing a trash - make Alien3-4 a cryosleep nightmare with "legends series" status. This will be fair too.
P.S. You said that I was rude. Well, this is true. Because I hate this idea (prequel to Alien3) so much. This is worst idea EVER. I thought about it in 2015 (with rumors about Alien5) and i UNDERSTAND - if this idea will be released - it wll be another desecration of Aliens. Nothing more. In addition (it's personal) - I hate stories in which we are shown favorite characters, but we already know that they will die (in next hated movie).
I think it is hard to do a Alien 5 if we consider Alien 3 and Alien R as Canon, not if it replaces them... the only way is a Cryo-sleep Nightmare... But i think what Blomkamp was doing was to offer a ALTERNATIVE
So we have Alien, Aliens and then we go to Alien 3 and Alien R but Blomkamp was to offer us, a WHAT IF a WHAT IF the ending of Aliens that joins Alien 3 was different like a alternative path, so Fans can treat them as two alternative Histories that follow Aliens.
The only way Blomkamps Alien 5 would have worked if it went this route would be to get the MOVIE done ASP and set it 25-30 years after ALIENS Miss Weaver and Mr Biehn are not getting younger, and while Miss Weaver does not look quite as old as she is, and Biehn we can hide his age via his Face Burn, Miss Weaver is 69 and Biehn is 62 and so its going to be hard to Fool anyone that they are playing people less than in their 50's and so Blomkamps ALIEN 5 has to be set after the year 2204 and each year the movie does not get made we have to move the Timeline forwards. Because i think they could pull off Age thats 20 years younger maybe 25 at a push.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
The age problem can easily be solved with CGI, but it would not make for something interesting though.
I liked you idea in last message. This is what a franchise needs. This allows to continue the story about Aliens in the future. Maybe with new main hero - adult Newt (Blomkamp's idea).
I agree Bigdave. If they go with finishing RS work to Alien, would he still direct or is he out in the cold?
I don't have a problem with erasing Alien Resurrection but I want them to keep Alien 3 as canon because I like the movie and it is a good ending to Ripley. In case Blomkamp's
movie would erase Alien 3 out of canon I reject it.
"… i think Disney could be looking at what the FANS want instead of what Ridley Scott wants..."
That could be a good thing if they stop making movies about a mad android since RS refuses to make better human character, I am not even sure if he cares about that at all. I honestly can not say that I would miss it either.
"... but i think they would ULTIMATELY look at what they feel the Majority of Fans Want"
That is what Ridley should have done a bit more at least instead we get a robot movie which was not good. About time, better characters and less AI please.
Leto having opinions and strong healthy discussions is great for the forum, but please refrain from attacking members because you don't agree with something. Starting a discussion with "Your idea is the most horrible, which I heard" is only going to offend others and instigate an argument, not a discussion.
Im sorry but I strongly disagree with any Retcon of Alien 3 And Resurrection. Like them or not, what you would be taking away is people nostalgic entry to the franchise. Alien 3 was the first of the films I saw on VHS after secretly renting it pretending to be over 18. I then back-watched Alien and Aliens quickly after and by then was totally taken on this franchise. Alien Resurrection was the first I saw in cinema.
Im sure Im not the only one in that age bracket that would have had similar viewing experience. Retcon those films and you make them worthless.....a cryo-deam nightmare is insulting to those who entered the franchise through either of these films.
With the endless possibilities in this franchise surely something could be written that doesn't need to retcon perfectly legitimate films and the legacies of those involved in them!!
I have found it helpful not getting too wrapped up in specific time lines. "Before this" or "After that" works for me. Just a thought.
Also, I think erasing a movie to fit a current story is kind of weak. If they feel the need to erase a movie because of convenience to tell a story, then they really don't seem to have a good story. It seems lazy and arrogant to revise/erase established canon and doesn't pass the sniff test imo.
dk exactly!! Well said!
You think there is a rift in the fanbase now, wait until you retcon 1/3 of the films in the universe...
"Sorry all, those last two films with Ripley.....it was all a dream. now here is what really happened." weakest story arc ever.
Apart from blomcamps and Aliens diehard fans nobody wants to see Ripley, Newt or Hicks again.
They better explore new territories and go where no man or woman has gone before.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
We can use CGI but it is very expensive and still not quite Perfected... Especially when trying to do Humans, so while i am sure Disney could Fund a CGI of Old Characters the time and money would be a lot, and i think CGI would be best used sparingly for short scenes.
If the Last Teminator we had Arnold playing every Scene with CGI to make him look like the Younger One from Terminator i think we would notice the CGI is not Perfect yet and the BUDGET for the Movie would have GROWN exponentially, Tarkin was used not to often in Rogue One and i dont think he looked close enough in terms of Quality to Warrant a Main Plot Character to be done in CGI
I think it can be done... The Terminator T-800 Nice Night for a Walk Scene in Terminator Genisys surely proves that (i think the CGI is better than Rogue Ones Tarkin) but to do this kind of work for a Character who will be on screen for even 25% of a Movie would be very very Expensive too Expensive.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I had already suggested what i feel would be the best way to tackle a ALIEN 5 and cast Miss Weaver, i mentioned this a few times in the past but the only Logical Way to go would be a Direct Alien 5
Maybe even calling it ALIEN: Apocalypse or ALIEN: Armageddon but they could be a bit to much on the nose..
But what i suggested was a Plot that happens either directly after Alien Resurrection so like 24 hours latter or a few days or one that takes just a few weeks after.... Where Ripley and Call go off exploring the Ruins of Paris
THIS IS WHEN.... i proposed TWO Plot Choices.
1a) Ripley 8 and Call are either Captured at some point, and experiments done on Ripleys DNA so that samples are used to then Extract a Xeno-Clone from her DNA.
1b) Or as with (1) but Reveal it that Call Actually takes Ripley 8 to a Safe-house and reveal that Call has set Ripley 8 up to have her DNA Extracted and that Call and the Autons actually wanted the Xenomorph so they can eradicate all remaining Humans so that the World could be Ruled by Autons.
Either of these leads to Xenomorph Experiments, and a Ripley 8 escapes to battle them.
2) The Crashed USM Auriga or reveal a escape pod escaped, and had a surviving Face Hugger, maybe this leads to a Queen or someone uses the Face Hugger to Clone it.
2b) As with (2) only someone recovers enough Xeno Genetic Material to Clone them.
And again either of these leads to Ripley 8 to the rescue...
NOW... What about the Age of Miss Weaver? while a Human can Age, surely a Self-Regenerating Ripley 8 cant? So that Means CGI Miss Weaver?
You see Ripley 8 is a Clone, a Human that has Xenomorph DNA who is to say that Ripley 8 cant Evolve? If we are looking at Evolution then we have to consider the laws of Evolution will see the most Dominant and Better Traits take over the weaker ones.
So why can Ripley 8 Evolve, and her Xenomorph DNA starts to become more apparent rather than only have some abilities but Aesthetically looking Human.
A EVOLVING Ripley 8 means effects, these can be supple, we do not need to see NO Xeno/Human 50/50 Hybrid Aesthetically, she could also Evolve in Stages, and so we could see her early on and use CGI overlay to make her look younger, but then have her start to feel some changes and drop to the Floor.... when we next see her she will be slightly different where some Practical effects/Make up are required to hide her appearance.
What i am saying is while its hard to CGI a Human to look younger like they once was, its easier to CGI a Human to look like a more Alien Race yet retain the likeness of the Actor/Actress
Avatar being a good example, we can see the likeness to Miss Weaver and yet the skin looks younger too, where as doing a real younger Human Version would be much harder... HOWEVER i am not talking about this extreme of a Transformation... or maybe it could get to this...
But with Practical Effects you could change a appearance with color changes and even skin texture changes
Again maybe not this Extreme... but my point is if Miss Weaver was to play a older Mystique/Raven in a Marvel Spin Off movie and they applied the Same Make up as they did with Rebecca Romijn/Jennifer Lawrence in the X-Men Movies then a Mystique/Raven would look (could be made) younger than the actual Miss Weaver is.
So using either CGI or Practical Effects to show a Evolving Ripley 8 has to be the most Logical Way to do a ALIEN 5 and use Miss Weaver, in a Story that does not change Canon, a Story that Evolves on Themes of the Prequels (effects of Black Goo/Xeno DNA) and would not need expensive CGI to drastically De-Age Ripley or take Alien 3 on wards as NOT Canon.
I can knock up a LONG Synopsis and Plot Points for this kind of Movie with ease, where i would go the route of OPTION 1B and reveal that Call hands her over to her Cult, who then use her DNA. These Experiments could have a effect on Ripley 8's own DNA where she Evolves a bit.... so then we can have her with some Mild CGI/Practical Effects... and she escapes...
Latter she finds Call and have Call say "Ripley is that you? you have changed you look awful" and Ripley 8 can Ripley "Yes it is me and i feel Evolved" then she pulls Calls Head Off and then Demands Calls Head to Talk about everything her Cult is up to.
THIS....^^^ is the Kind of ALIEN 5 movie that is a continuation, it allows us to bring Ripley back to please Fans, it brings Xenomorphs back, it brings in the AI elements that Ridley Scott is so fond off. The back drop will be so much different as it would have a I AM LEGEND feel to it as far as the post Apocalyptic Crisis Vibe.
A Tag Line could even be... WE CREATED THEM, THEY CREATED HER, THEY ARE OUR DESTROYERS SHE IS OUR SAVOR
This showing that Mankind Created AI and Synthetics, which eventually lead to Synthetics Creating Synthetics, Synthetics Creating Xenomorphs... and that through the Action of Creation of the Xenomorph, leads to Ripley 8 eventually... who is our only Savor.
Now only most of this... (after images) i only just came up with in minutes, so it seems to puzzle me why some movies have such Poor Stories and Plots...
As for how much Ripley 8 Evolves, this can be mild to extreme... or stages to this... Remember the make up and CGI overlay done to the LV-223 Last Engineer could make a Ripley look younger.
What would i Propose this Movie to be? Maybe ALIEN: OMEGA
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I would have Ripley 8 (unless we are going for many hours after AR) be done with some CGI for a short screen time and have her go through some changes.
1) We see her veins fill up with Black Fluid a bit like the Holloway Infection shot in Prometheus, this subsides and leaves her skin PALE almost grey color where some dark veins can be seen. And a slight Elongating of the Head (She now looks like the Half-way point of a Planet 4 and LV-223 Engineer).
2) Later she Evolves again her Skin Becomes more Grey and ROUGH Texture and veins more Prominent and her Elongated head gets longer.
3) Stage 3 her Skin Sheds so she is like the VIVISECTED Engineer well like say Hellraiser Skinless Julia only in a more Grey Color. Not far off LV-223 Engineer.
4) Stage 4 her exposed Vivisected appearances changes so that the Muscles become more Hardened, like they are forming into a Exo-Skeleton but only minor so the END RESULT is a cross between a Vivisected Female and Engineers Pressure Suit. With a Elongated Head.
Not too different to the Final Eldon In the Fire and Stone Comics (only TWO Arms) so the potential is there to have Ripley 8 go through some changes and incorporate some loks from the AC Dr Shaw Concepts (Davids work) and some of the cool ones we seen on here posted by Pred Alex
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
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