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Tell me if this makes any sense

Tell me if this makes any sense

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ninXeno426

Nov-25-2017 4:12 AM

One thing I've really noticed about Those who like and dislike Alien Covenant ultimately revolves around whether they liked Prometheus in the first place.Covenant was a film engineered to appeal to Alien fans that were disappointed in Prometheus.Prometheus fans seem to dislike Covenant for abandoning the ambitious concepts of Prometheus,while more traditional Alien fans appreciated the return to more of a horror film.It's hard for me to really confirm this as i'm a fan of both,but where do you Guys stand on this?

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Timmy the ultramorph

Nov-25-2017 7:31 AM

yeah. it really dosn't make sense. the majority of people who liked covenant were people who were ok with prometheous or moderately liked prometheous but wanted more xenomorphs and gore. I loved prometheous and accepted covenant as an entry to the franchise. other people liked prometheous but hated covenant for not following the philisophical themes. other casuall veiwers didn't like covenant because they thought the cgi was bad or that the charectors were weak. I probably did not help you at all but its a very interesting thought.

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cuponator3000

Nov-25-2017 8:30 AM

Hmm well, I don't totally know. I mean, I LOVE Prometheus and Covenant (I love all the films), but definitely Covenant was a knee-jerk reaction to a few of the complaints from Prometheus. So, I do agree that Covenant was an attempt to house a Promethean story in an Alien film. 

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Ati

Nov-25-2017 8:51 AM

Interesting question.

I like(d) Prometheus because it revisits (more or less) my favourite type of sci-fi movies. I need spaceships, bases on planets far away from earth, space suits (not only in space), robots (I prefer real robots though), alien creatures, strange sci-fi environment, etc.

Superhero movies are not sc-fi movies - for me.

So I was happy to (wait for and) see Prometheus because it is close to my dream sci-fi movie, however, I expected more from it. I would have liked to see more scenes with creatures, more action, more creative surprises - for example, it would have been awesome to see the events after the end of the movie. I mean there are too many boring scenes in Prometheus and these parts should have been omitted and extra scenes should have been added at the end - a clash with the Deacon, or the appearance of a new vehicle, etc.

I like Alien Covenant much better (ost, neo, etc), but that is true that Shaw's character shouldn't have been moved out of focus - Shaw must return, I think.

The problem is that there are no good space sci-fi movies nowadays. And this 'nowadays' can mean a very long period, more than a decade. The new Star Wars is a great disappointment for me. I like Rogue One, but The Force Awakens is terrible, the worst in the SW saga in my opinion.

We need a very good space sci-fi, we need a very good Alien Covenant sequel with a brilliant story and awesome visuals. I hope Ridley Scott will give it to us.

dk

Nov-25-2017 7:27 PM

I think both fell short in their own ways but could have been better without worries of time constraints.

Thoughts_Dreams

Nov-26-2017 1:11 AM

There are good parts about both of them and there are also bad parts. My problem with both movies is that the human characters are not well-written. No one can put me in a Prometheus or Covenant kind of fan box because I am neither but your post seem to imply that it is about if you are in the Prometheus  or Covenant camp. Unfortunately both movies are disappointments for some different reasons and some of the same.

ninXeno426

Nov-28-2017 4:51 AM

Fair point Thoughts Dreams.I'm part of a couple Alien fan groups on Facebook and a majority of the fans there do indeed dislike both films.Tough love kinda,they often give anyone a hard time that likes Covenant and Prometheus.Even going as far it's common sense to dislike these movies.

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ali81

Nov-28-2017 7:05 AM

i don't see covenant being either an alien film or a Prometheus sequel. it feels to me just what it is. RS changing his mind on direction to focus on david and forcing the xeno and neo in just to justify the alien brand. the monsters, though looking great, were pointless. there was no horror. by that I mean compare what the xeno does in alien. it stalks its prey. its hard to kill and the director shocks us by making us use our imaginations. I cant say covenant did any of this. the monsters got killed off easily. one by a giant claw. what did that do fo the beast? nothing.

the reason I like Prometheus so much is it was fresh. it was different. what makes the dark horse comics so good is that they explore the explanded universe and delves into the mystery behind the scenes. Prometheus is the first film in the franchise that opened the doors for directors to go and explore these things on screen. the possibilities were endless after Prometheus and AC should have grabbed the ball and ran with it. it should have been an epic. AND IT SUCKED. crap characters and average acting. well designed beasts wasted on screen by being killed too easily and one just disappearing altogether. and then theres the engineers. shown as gods in the first film n stepped on in minutes in the second. another missed opportunity. the problem for me is that with AC and Ridleys comments, it seems apparent to all he doesn't care much for the beast anymore or doesn't know what to do with it so hes changed focus to the synthetic. the easy option. its lazy and isn't what alien is about. its about the beast and now thanks to Prometheus, an expanded universe. yet wer getting Blade runner spin offs.

there IS a happy medium. a compromise there where we can have the beast, the engineers and how David fits into it all but RS, imo, doesn't know how to do it or fox arnt willing to back him. I hate AC for 2 reasons. I was soooooo pumped to see it. the advertising was perfect. those trailers and all the spots they released were done so well I don't see them doing as well with the run up to awakening and that's just a testament to how good a job the did. and we got a mash up, rushed film that took a huge dump on the expanded universe. imo we got 2 decent performances in Fassbender and McBride. the rest were average for me. I feel so let down by RS in the perceived path hes taking but still holding out hope he can turn it around. as I said there is still room for all elements in the franchise. its just a matter of ridley focusing on the right element and blending everything else around it

BigDave

Nov-28-2017 4:28 PM

Indeed ali81 this was maybe Alien Covenants main Problem... it was trying to please all fans, but by doing so it have so little to please them, that it ultimately disappointed most of every type of Fan.

The 2nd Problem was the Marketing and Hype, it was bigged up as a ALIEN movie and a real HORROR flick, when it was just a Gore Fest to a degree, but not as Gory as it could have been.  When RS and the Marketing pushed this movie a lot of Fans expected it would be about the XENOMORPH and it would Scare the !"£$%$ out of people, and RS had been saying about bringing the ALIEN Vibe back and Waterton talking about Ripley and Action... 

These all lead Fans to think they was in for a Action Packed Xenomorph Flick, and that Poster of Engineers vs Xenomorphs did not help ONE bit.

Alien Covenant: did not answer or seem to begin to answer in as good detail the events of the Space Jockey, but some fans need understand we have not reached this yet.

Alien Covenant: did not give ALIENS fans and some Fanboys enough Action.

Alien Covenant: did not do justice for ALIEN fans in replicating the Haunted House of Alien.

Alien Covenant: did not utilize or answer anything PROMETHEUS fans was expecting not in a ideal way and Dr Shaw and the Engineers where brushed under the carpet.

Alien Covenant: changed what we thought about the Xenomorph Origins, giving us a Curve-ball that a Rogue Android, with Daddy Issues and Human Issues went mad and decided to play Dr Frankenstien which has not settle down well with many.

On top of these issues, the movie just had so many other flaws, that also dogged Prometheus.

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ali81

Nov-29-2017 6:42 AM

just doesn't seem to be any shred of consistency here. Prometheus got bombed for not having enough beasts so RS forced the neo and xeno into covenant and yet it still gets bombed. that has to fall into Ridley's lap. hes not done it properly. we get a beast at the very end of Prometheus and the beasts in covenant are poorly used. I don't know if its a lack of imagination on Ridley's part or the studio wont back him but we seem to be heading towards Bladerunner spinoffs here.

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