In their latest podcast, Corporal Hicks and other two panelists slam Ridley Scott for his statements about the alien being "cooked". Among the takeaways from the debate:
1- Ridley Scott cannot decree the xenomorph is dead and lacks the imagination to push the story forward.
2- Alien Covenant proves Ridley is not passionate about the Alien franchise and was in it just for the money.
3- The direction he wants to take the franchise is only making the Alien universe smaller.
4- There are many stories left to tell within the Alien universe.
5- Fox doesn't know what to do with the franchise.
6- Disney might actually do a good job at energizing the franchise.
7- Directors who might do a good job with an Alien film are Alex Garland, Guillermo Del Toro.
A thing to remember is FOX are the ones in charge, if they decide the Predators made the Engineers, and RS was not happy with this, he has to run with what they suggest or FOX would simply get someone else to do it.
Ridley Scott did not intend the route that AC had taken, he was not going to spoon feed the Xenomorph and Shoe-horn it literally and chronologically in a sequel. The Problem was not because AC had the Xenormorph it was simply how it was handled. But then we have the rumors RS deliberately handled the Beast Wrong on Purpose to Prove a Point... which i dont buy at all.
The Alien Games have also not been spectacular, the AVP games were ok especially the 2001 sequel version.
But indeed Alien Isolation worked, because of how it handled the Xenomorph, for the most part it was a unarmed Human vs the Xenomorph, outmatched and so its the up against impossible odds that gave us the Peril also the Game benefited more because it places the Player in POV. As a Movie it would not have worked as well, for example if you never saw the Game and just Watched somebody play it to completion indeed its a good experience but you never quite get the Horror as you do when playing it.
But the point is valid.... If AC never had Neomorphs, and one of the Crew was infected by a Xenomorph and so we had more time seeing the Humans get picked off by ONE Xenomorph and then it ended by us finding out another Chest Busted on the Ship, que set up for a sequel.. it may have worked better.
The more you show the Xenomorph the less effect it has, if someone had made Alien Isolation where 50% in you pick up some Guns, are accompanied by a Marine and then take on and kill ALIENS Style another 20 Xenomorphs in the Game so 50% of the way through it became more Aliens Colonial Marines then it would have cooked the Xenomorph a bit.
Why they have a very tough task ahead as their is life in the Xenomorph but it has to be handled extremely well otherwise it will loose much more credibility, the same goes for the Engineers when we look at how their credibility diminished with AC too.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Ridley Scott said the xenomorph is cooked even before Prometheus and he probably used the Deacon to make Fox and some fans happy. A lot of Alien fans did not mind the lack of xenomorphs in Prometheus and cried foul when Ridley gave in to fanboys/Fox pressure and featured the xenomorph again in Alien Covenant. But there is nothing fresh to be added to the xenomorph. Every decent director knows it. Only if you want a video game style movie featuring a lot of xenos it does not mean that it would be a good movie. Ask for a new game better, so you can be alone with the beast, and let Ridley Scott finish what he started. The alien is a weapon, a parasite, I don't really want its origin explained further because it would kill its charm for good. I don't want to dissect the SJ either, it's better to leave it a mystery.
If there are many stories left to tell in the alien universe it is because Ridley Scott and only Ridley Scott expanded this universe, after he created it.
The beast is cooked but if you want to reheat it and eat it again and again with a bag of popcorn, well, it's your option. Disney will give you another AVP and Aliens sequels, even Alien vs. Wonder Woman/Superman/Spiderman.
Isn't that what you're looking for?
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
I think in Hindsight, maybe the way they covered the whole SJ and Xenomorph, was not the best, and maybe it needed to be a Mystery.
But RS lost control on how to evolve the Franchise after Alien, he had in the 90's a idea of how he would have a tackled a Prequel and Sequels (to Alien) but FOX went ahead with Alien R and then AVP. So RS was very interested in Answering those Questions from Alien in a way he could have control over, because he would have known if they did not do a Prequel and Answer who the Space Jockey, was his purpose and Agenda, and where the Cargo Came from etc...
RS knows that there is a change in future FOX would indeed explore these at some point and RS would not like it if those Questions are Answered in ways that would make Ridley Scott Turn in his Grave.
Some Fans would want to keep it a Mystery still, some Fans want the Answers.... i feel that down the line someone will in the future Directly Answer that Mystery be it in 5, 10, 15 or 20 years and so RS is like they may as well do it now.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I agree that AC didn't use the Xeno in a good way but I bet that it is because Scott isn't interested in it. AR and AVP were mistakes if you ask me, they didn't have to be made it was more like Fox wanted some money so they made some alien movies that unfortunately had low quality.
To me if they get the feeling of disaster and fear right then they don't need the Xeno that much. Xenos were not there when they cut the power in Aliens (they were not seen but implied, I think that works better), and you did not see it that much in Alien 3 and it was not seen that much in Alien either. Yes they were shown more in Aliens and AR but that don't make them better movies compared to Alien and Alien 3. Prometheus didn't lack because of no Xenos but from other problems. My point is that you don't need to show it or use it that much but it can be effective still but new monsters could be interesting also if you make the Engineers more threatening (which I hope that they do).
AC could have used the Xeno better but that was far from my biggest problem with it. I probably liked the Neomorph better since it was new and I also liked the ideas of the spores and the goo because of the same reason. Having cool monsters is far from the most important thing to me.
“... its a case of how many movies will Span Until we get to the Derelict?”
Yeah I have thought about this also. What if the next movie will be as bad as AC financially and in quality? Would we get a final Alien movie then?
As far as how to use the Alien, that is why there needs to be a plan. Hopefully there are some people that are smart enough that have discussions about this at Fox. There got to be some people that think about this other than at message boards, hopefully.
Hopefully they will change it since they should by now know that many people don't like the idea of David as the Xeno creator. If they will do many Xenos movies there is a risk that it will be given a worse reputation than it has gotten from the movies from AR until now. There is a thin line between familiarity and trying something new unfortunately they have stepped on the wrong side of the line this far with the prequels.
Sometimes I listen to the podcast by AVPgalaxy, some of them are interesting. There are people in the podcasts that seem to be supporters of the Blomkamp movie, I am not that interested in it but if they are then fine for them I guess.
Trying something new can be good, it depends on how you do it but I don't like when you throw the characters away for the plot alone, that is boring. I didn't mind the number of monsters in AC since my issues was with other things. Remakes, I am not that interested in it so it is better to try something else.
To explain Freddy Krueger and why he became what he did, doesn't that threaten to make it less of a threat like maybe Prometheus and AC did? Some things are better left the way they are because then you can keep on making your own explanations which is what horror movies do when they work .
You can do many Zombie movies but those movies are usually not about the Zombies per see but rather about other themes (like the consumerism in Dawn of the Dead and so on). I like that even if not every scene is filled with gore. The characters and the message is what is of interest to me when I watch Zombie movies but this also goes for the Alien movies.
4 parties, I am interested in them all except for David. Hopefully they will get the Engineers right and I am also interested to see what kind of characters that will be at the colony ship. The part about WY could be interesting, it depends on how they are portrayed. Maybe there are people there that work for the company that realize that they have been deceived by the company and start to rebel. Perhaps this could lead to some fight scenes between different sides of the WY company and ex-employees? I don't know I just try to imagine where things could potentially be going. Unfortunately we have been let down too many times now so I expect a movie that is average at best but we will see.
As far as the podcast being too harsh on Scott, maybe but he didn't help that much by focusing on David so he is partially to blame but I bet that Fox is also a part of what went wrong.
“They want aliens...”
Who are they? Fox or the audience? Perhaps it could be both.
In this context then yeah the Xeno might just be a part of a bigger world but I would rather have a movie where the monster has a bigger role even though it is not seen that much rather than a movie about artificial intelligence. To me Xenos and their connection to the Engineers are more interesting than AI. Hopefully we will see a bit more of that connection in the next movie.
My problems with Prometheus is largely with the characters but the Engineers were interesting (although they were not very well explained) and I liked the new monsters although the Hammerpedes could have been better. The environments looked good also.
“... elements that would have been explored in Prometheus 2 had to be brushed under the carpet, but covered in small detail as a After-Math (Engineers and Dr Shaw).”
At least we got less of Shaw so that was good but I wish that we could have seen more of the Engineers. Maybe they can get them into the movie in some way. Perhaps they don't need to make up the whole movie but they can at least be expanded upon. I would rather see more of then than of David.
I don't really understand how two eggs can lead to thousands of them if they don't go for some cloning or what ever they will use to explain it. Maybe if he re-created the egg than maybe it is some Engineer that we see in the derelict in some way? This would make more sense than if it would be David in the chair.
If they will remove some of the most stupid ideas that Scott has (like expanding the role of David) then maybe it would be a better movie? Hopefully they will rein in over Scott's most boring ideas.
“Going to be Davids Agenda and the Companies that will take the Forefront.”
The companies could be interesting if that will be done well, the android part just seems boring. Like I said, I am expecting the worst and I will be pleasantly surprised if it won't end up like a snoozefest.
“A lot of Back Lash has gone to RS, and so we have to wonder will FOX replace him, or at least Curb some of his ideas and CHANGE things to please the Fans, but surely we cant have more U-Turns thrown at us again.”
If that means less David and AI and better focus on human characters then I am all for it.
my top directing choices would be danny boyle, quinten tarintino and david finches for a second shot at alien although I dout he would take the offer.
food ain't that bad! - Parker
"Yeah I have thought about this also. What if the next movie will be as bad as AC financially and in quality? Would we get a final Alien movie then?"
This is the Problem they now FACE, they have to cover enough to allow for us to have enough clues to suggest what happened in ALIEN, should the next movie be a failure, because FOX are not ones to be throwing money away, if the Next Movie is more of a Disaster and displeases Alien Fans more than Alien Covenant did, then i am not sure FOX would bank-role a 3rd movie that would attempt to Tidy up the Mess and Shoe-horn the Derelict into it.
Disney... however have plenty of money to do so, and i feel they would be ones willing to bring back what Fans feel is needed in the Universe... but this could mean a Blomkamp Alien 5 type movie.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
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