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Critters5

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Posted Nov-14-2017 8:07 AM

There likely needs to be an explanation for the large number of eggs produced in a short period of time between Alien Awakening and Alien. There also likely needs to be a machine-like addition to the neomorph to create the xenomorph proper. Do you think its possible that at the end of Awakening, David will sacrifice himself by designing a face hugger that will be able to incorporate his own android genetic material to create a bio-mechanical queen proper that will burst from him while driving the derelict space craft to LV-426 and thus create the xenomorph egg making queen? 

21 Responses to Alien Awakening Queen

ali81

Nov-15-2017 12:55 AM

certainly hope not. not against urself or ur theory personally but to me the derelict is thousands of years old. for this not to be the case and its all been down to David ruins the whole mythology of it for me. the derelict scenes in alien are iconic and filled with mystery just for it to be revealed 'the crazy android did it all' is awful and lazy imo.

Leto

Nov-15-2017 1:19 AM

Prometheus BD has additional materials and one of them has a mail with report what Weyland already know about LV-426 and Derelict before the Prometheus mission.

dk

Nov-15-2017 1:28 AM

 Critters5 This topic has been discussed and your idea has been shared around here. It is a topic worth revisiting since we await the next movie. 

Pre AC I would have agreed with you... mostly. But seeing how AC was went down, it is tough to see it playing out that way. It seems fans want to see more Engineer focus and less David. I love the Xeno, and I admit my opinion changes at times, but I would like to see the origin of the proper Xeno with more focus on the Engineers and a memorable cast of characters. David is excellent but I would be disappointed if it became a David story. I would rather the SJ in Alien remains a mystery.

ali81

Nov-15-2017 1:47 AM

dk, nail hit right on the head bud.

leto, yeah ur talking the weyland files which makes it clear that the derelict is already there. but to have the placement of the eggs be down to David is still something that can happen which I hate the idea of. for me the eggs were placed there by the engineers

dk

Nov-15-2017 3:00 AM

ali81 I remember this topic being discussed at great length especially with input from BigDave's dissertations. Those discussions were mind bending. A mystery was the chest buster exiting the SJ, burning a hole in the floor and then the egg chamber. That is a big mystery and I am fine leaving that chicken/egg notion a mystery. There were articles about the Derilict landing on an egg silo in the earlier development of Alien but it got nixed. There is something appealing about leaving some questions unanswered imo. If nothing else, it allows for spirited geekery debate around here that is sometimes more engaging than the source material. 

ali81

Nov-15-2017 3:22 AM

dk, agreed. plus if its a choice between those aspects of the derelict remaining a mystery or having it being down to David, personally id rather never find out. the mystery is part of it and sometimes it isn't a good idea to look behind the curtain as u sometimes don't like what u find. I don't mind the mysteries of the derelict being revealed but it would have to be in a way that is respectful and does justice to the mystery of the original. after AC I am doubtful RS has it in him to do the original mystery any justice at all so it should be left well alone.

Critters5

Nov-15-2017 7:02 AM

If David is not involved in the derelict eggs, what is the point of David's story? Where does the mechanical aspect of the xenomorph come from? I hope that the derelict is ancient but with Ridley who knows, he could have changed his mind on the matter...

dk

Nov-15-2017 11:48 AM

 Where does the mechanical aspect of the xenomorph come from?

Fair point. Back in the late '70s, I doubt RS or anyone else thought much beyond Alien. Now the expectation is to make it all tie together after 6 movies.

BigDave

Nov-15-2017 4:47 PM

"Prometheus BD has additional materials and one of them has a mail with report what Weyland already know about LV-426 and Derelict before the Prometheus mission."

Indeed, and the Wayland-Industries Viral site that gave us a History or the company also shows that the company had knowledge of the System too, it think as far as the year 2034? But dont quote me and the  Wayland-Industries Viral site has been replaced, it appears FOX/RS are Re-writing the History books in a number of ways as the Viral Site gave us a time-line of the Evolution of David models, it now appears they are going with David 8 actually being David the First!  And thus why the Marketing Site for Prometheus has been replaced.

So the same goes with any other marketing, as you see its a game of Make-it-up and Change as we go along, and who knows how many changes and U-Turns we get by the time they are finished... so the BD material has to be considered NON-CANON

It appears that sadly for some, just as our Space Jockey was a Humanoid 7.5ft tall Race (supposed to be 12-15ft) and not no Skeletal Remains of a 15ft plus giant Elephantine Alien Race.... so we must now accept David created the Xenomorphs, which means as of now... 18 years prior to Alien... there is NO Derelict on LV-426

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Nov-15-2017 4:59 PM

Regarding the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph, and the Question you pose....  its best not we bring up the WALTER-MORPH LOL as its a bit of a Sore Spot for other Sites.

But indeed it had been speculated on here, and Chris  was given some information about how David would use Synthetic Material to Forge the Classic Xenomorph, but FOX requested Chris to remove this information.

In a Spoon Fed, kind of you can see this coming a Mile Away (like the David is Walter Twist) It would appear that the Xenomorph gains its Mechanical Traits from a Synthetic could be something that could be explored.  I know when this was theorized before on here, it did not settle well with a number of Fans....  But i bet it cant be as bitter pill to swallow as David Created the Xenomorph basically from scratch, never mind the new fully formed Chest Buster.

I had wondered and speculated once RS mentioned prior to AC that Fassbender would be back to play TWO Roles... David and a Doppelganger, that the term Doppelganger has to be more than just another David, or a David 9 unless their was significant changes...  This got me to think about how FOX use a lot of unused ideas and concepts from previous movies in the Franchise that was never used on-screen.

And it made me think of the Fire and Stone Comics, where Elden was a Synthetic Construct, basically Part Synthetic, Part Organic and so i felt if Fassbender played a updated model that was a Synthetic Construct this would indeed play a very Spoon Fed way to have the Xenomorph come from a Synthetic Construct.  You see in Fire and Stone, Elden was infected with the Black Goo and so it could infect a Synthetic Construct but not a Synthetic... and so i thought well surely a Face Hugger may be able to infect a Synthetic Construct and Produce a Bio-Mechanical Off-Spring.

Looking at the Walter Viral Marketing, some of his construction did appear to be some what Organic, like the Brain for instance.  So maybe indeed the WALTER-MORPH could be something they explore.

A key thing to remember is RS comments prior to AC,  this was the movie would address, WHY and WHO would Create such a Horrific Beast, it Felt like a Weapon and Bio-Mechnoid and AC would begin to answer this.

After AC, RS had mentioned that the Xenomorph we see in Alien is not-quite there yet, it nearly is but it has some evolution to go....  Thus this implies that the Not-So Bio-Mechanical Alien Covenant Xenomorph will at some point gain its more Mechanical Atheistic at some point in the next TWO movies.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Nov-15-2017 5:02 PM

With regards to the Thousands of Eggs, maybe its more than Coincidence the Covenant Ship has Thousands of Colonist?  Again another Spoon Fed, easy to Guess Plot.

David has TWO Face Huggers, unless he can experiment on one and splice its DNA with the Human/Animal Embryos, or he has or gains some Black Goo, then we could be looking at how do these TWO Face Huggers lead to Thousands of Eggs?

Does RS explore the Egg Morph Method that was in Alien that was removed apart from the DC?  Or does he go the route that one of these (Face Huggers leads to a Queen?)  I think this is something they would have to answer in the next TWO movies.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Nov-16-2017 6:34 AM

Bigdave, you really think RS will get funding for TWO more movies? Yea I think the only options for the thousands of eggs is, Queen with a very fast egg laying ability, egg morphing, or some plot twist where the shift is in fact ancient from Engineer experiments with the xenomorph which was later reincarnated by David's experiments. 

drucea

Nov-16-2017 6:43 AM

I'm putting my money on the derelict ending up not being that old, and the eggs were all made from all of the colonists somehow.

Thoughts_Dreams

Nov-16-2017 7:56 AM

“Where does the mechanical aspect of the xenomorph come from?”

They made an interesting design when it came to the Xeno but I am not sure if they really thought about that when they did the movie. I doubt that it will ever be answered but it would suck if it was because of something that David did.

BigDave

Nov-16-2017 8:13 AM

@Critters5

This is the Problem they now FACE.... the aim of these Prequels is now to eventually lead us to find out HOW the Eggs end up on a Engineer Ship on LV-426 which is a long way from where David is heading.

The amount of things that have to happen to get to that Point, require more than one movie, the Problem is if they dont cover how the Eggs get on the Derelict and dont show much if nothing about the Xenomorph and the Movie Bombs bigger than Alien Covenant...

It leaves FOX Dead in the Water, with a unfinished Prequel where they have to invest in a 3rd part to Tie in to Alien, but then have to ask would Financially they risk it?

FOX are in the Market to Make money, and not answer those Questions in Alien if its going to not make $$$$ 

The same thing goes for Blade Runner 2049 i have yet to see it, but i have heard its actually a good movie, that sadly has not made a lot of cash, simply because only the Blade Runner Fanbase has really gone to see it.

so if the Next Alien movie is not about the Xeno, and does not really get us closer to Alien, and will be about AI and maybe Engineers, this could mean only Prometheus Fans may go and see it, some Alien Franchise fans will but some Fans may steer away...  which means the movie could struggle to make cash back... even if the Story is very Good.... if its not a very much ALIEN movie then Alien fans may not go, and those who do watch it may complain...

Which leaves FOX in a conundrum regarding the 3rd movie, which could mean a Spoon Fed Xeno Flick, but then they would ponder will this make a big Profit?

Sadly i feel the next ALIEN Movie will be Sink/Swim for the Franchise Future.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Nov-16-2017 8:18 AM

The only kind of Saving Grace for some fans would be if the Engineers or their Creators, discover Davids Creations and make a Deal with David... 

Then Ultimately they Sacrifice David (likely in a Walter Body) to Evolve Davids Creations on LV-223 or attempt to take them to LV-223

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Nov-16-2017 8:42 AM

I am totally into the idea of our creation the android being part of the xeno make-up. It would add to why Ash was so fascinated with the xeno's makeup. It's just incredible what a confused mess Ridley has made of this series. 

ali81

Nov-16-2017 10:50 PM

I get where ur coming from with the derelict not being old and the fact there are thousands of eggs in its hold and thousands of colonists on the covenant. but then id refer to the weyland files stating a signal on lv426 which comes from the derelict even before the Prometheus expedition. so which is it u think? is the derelict really thousands of years old or r fox just putting anything into their dvd's with the attitude 'lets just sell dvd's and f**k continuity'? I think we the fan deserve better than this.

Critters5

Nov-17-2017 8:08 AM

Ali, I think its the latter. Fox is all about $ and it seems like plot wise Alien is flying from the seat of its pants. 

BigDave

Nov-17-2017 8:16 AM

The problem that has happened ali81 is with each movie, they come up with new ideas and changes in direction, which then contradict with what previous movies seemed to lay out.   The same thing happens with their Background information etc.

Indeed there was a Extra on the DVD that showed the company was aware of the Signal, but also in the Prometheus Marketing they made the Weyland Industries website, that also contained information about the discovery of Acheron LV-426 a moon in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system that seemed to show signs this system could support life and the Company intends to send a Mission there within the next Century (the date of the discovery i think was 2034 or 2038) well in that Ball Park.

However this site also had a history of the David Model from David 1 in the year 2025 to David 8 in the year 2072 (i think) But FOX have removed the Weyland Site and so this is a sign that those clues left are no longer considered Canon as they contradict the Path ALIEN COVENANT has taken...  Which appears to be that David 8 is actually DAVID 1 and so the same thing applies to the DVD Extras... that show the company had detected the Space Jockey Signal...

We have to consider things on the extras as not being 100% Canon, because they can be changed in the direction the Prequels will be going.

Its a Shame really because RS had 100% explained the Space Jockey event in a number of comments, his latest one way prior to the sequel he even gave exact details... but it appears they have decided its more interesting if DAVID created the Xenomorph.

I can give details of what Ridley Scotts Space Jockey explanation was if any one wants it?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Critters5

Nov-17-2017 8:27 AM

I agree until they end up in a director's cut I don't consider them canon. Cuts down on the confusion. Such a shame Alien does not have the same level of care taken with it as Star Wars. 

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