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Space jockey/Engineer helmet resemblance

Space jockey/Engineer helmet resemblance

Dark Nebula

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Posted Nov-09-2017 4:19 AM

I already mentioned how the Engineer/Space jockey helmet looks like the helmets jet pilots wear during flight, and now here's something that I found while searching for something else. 

Engineer/SJ helmet

Ridiculous looking helmet attributed to German armorer Kolman Helmschmid, from the 16th century, 1515.

 

 

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

16 Responses to Space jockey/Engineer helmet resemblance

BigDave

Nov-09-2017 4:33 AM

Interesting find.... that is a very interesting Helmet

I think the Space Jockey Helmet is something very interesting, it was always considered (apart from those who think it was a Skeleton) as some kind of Pilot Helmet, but Prometheus showed us many of these Engineers wearing them and so i think its likely they had a Dual Purpose, while they act as a Breathing Apparatus i also think they acted as a Bio-Hazard Suit, preventing contaminants getting to the Engineers but also preventing the Engineers from contaminating the Atmosphere

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Dark Nebula

Nov-09-2017 10:19 AM

There's a lot of misconception. In the original Dan O'Banon's draft Starbeast it was a skeleton (before he met Giger). The pilot Giger himself designed looked pretty much biomechanical/organic on the same line as the interior of the derelict, but it doesn't really look like a skeleton to me like everyone says. And Giger also did a mural that was supposed to be in the derelict but was unused. He did 2 murals, each one having victims with different heads/helmets, idk which one he made first. In 2004 in an interview with Dixieme Planete, someone asked Giger why are there 2 murals and he said that he wanted the victims to look more human (from what I can tell).

Q: One last question: why are there two versions of the mural representing the cycle of the Alien?

GIGER: In fact, I modified the appearance of the victims because they resembled the extraterrestrial ones too much having a head of AlienI wanted to make them more human so that there is no confusion! My work on Alien is far, now, but I m happy to have contributed to create a perfectly credible monster, in spite of the constraints imposed by the cinema.

In the Alien: Engineers script by Jon Spaihts, Engineers were planning to use genetically engineered xenomorphs to destroy humanity but before they could carry their mission the creatures wiped them out because they made them too well. Some engineers that were impregnated were running towards the hypersleep pods but were too late (first hologram sequence), only one made it to the hypersleep pod and it suspended his death. Later when David woke him up he got mad that David „sentenced him to death“. When Damon Lindelof was brought in for the rewrites, xenomorphs were replaced with the black goo, and from what I can tell, the black goo wiped them out before they could carry their mission like David said; „They were in the process of leaving before things went to pot“.

And by Shaw „Whats in this cargo? It killed his people“ and Janek „That shit in those vases, they made it here, it got out, turned on them, the end.“ The scene where Millburne and Fifield found corpses of Engineers pilled up against some doors, they all had holes in their bodies, in Alien: Covenant when David unleashed the black goo, it was doing crazy things to the Engineers as it was bursting from their chests, mouths while they were running, crouching, trying to escape.

I'm pretty sure the last engineer entered the hypersleep pod before the black goo outbreak, waiting for the other pilot to take them to earth so when they get there, they would wake up and get to bussiness, much like how the crew of the USCSS Prometheus entered hypersleep pods before departure and were awoken after 2 years when they got to LV-223. But I think the pilot was killed by the black goo and the last engineer remained in the hypersleep pod for 2000 years.

In Jon Spaihts's script, when the last engineer was awoken he only had the pressure suit on I think, he dressed the atmospheric suit to kill the remaining humans and xenos, and later on when he sat in the pilot chair, the suit fused with the pilot chair, making it look like its part of the chair. And that suit was completely bulletproof, but not chestburster proof.

In Damon Lindelof's script, the engineer jumped into the chair and the whole suit covered him up.

And yes, I do like to think it has other purposes other than for piloting and for space.

 

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

BigDave

Nov-09-2017 3:19 PM

Nice to refresh this information Dark Nebula, i had shared similar a few times the last week or so,  lately yesterday when discussing the Evolution of the Space Jockey, because so much changed from Star Beast to Alien Covenant.

Its a shame because as i have mentioned a number of times in the past, and recently too, HR Giger had the ideas that should have been explored... a Ship that Produced the Eggs etc. Funny enough all along Gigers concepts showed these Humanoid beings with similar suits that look more like a influence for the LV-223 Engineers Pressure Suits than a Human suit.  

The Face Hugger concepts also having these beings with the same suits only with no Helmets and whats interesting is these beings are Bald Humanoids... Did HR Giger Influence what became the Engineers?

its a shame they did not use Gigers ideas for the how the Ship/Eggs and Xenomorph are connected.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Dark Nebula

Nov-10-2017 12:08 PM

Yes, its a shame. 

But at least there's a horror game called scorn coming next year, that's inspired by Giger's artworks and ideas.

 

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Critters5

Nov-13-2017 7:40 AM

Yea, I can't wait for Scorn. Hope it comes out for Xbox 1. 

Dark Nebula

Nov-19-2017 3:39 AM

Helmet with full armor

LINK

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Dark Nebula

Dec-01-2017 8:16 AM

Here's another similar helmet, Armet with mask visor from 1520-1525, Germany.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/26504

 

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Ingeniero

Dec-09-2017 9:13 AM

I can imagine that the German helmets above might be uncomfortable in the heat but I remembered that the weather in norther Europe has always tended toward cooler temperatures. So, we can take comfort in the fact that the armor above used in the horrors of war in the 1500s helped carried out the atrocities in most likely more pleasant, cooler temperatures. 

Excellent comparison to the Space Jockey helmet Dark Nebula. I love the metal mustache.

Dark Nebula

Jan-06-2018 12:08 PM

@Ingeniero You're welcome.

Those helmets do look very unpractical and uncomfortable.

But their sole purpose was to protect the knight from swords, maces and other weapons.

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Dark Nebula

Jan-12-2018 6:07 PM

Another ridiculous one from Nuremberg Germany, the year 1510-1515, 16th century.

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

dk

Jan-12-2018 6:11 PM

Dark Nebula That is strategic. The opponent would become careless while laughing- distracted long enough to fall prey to attack.

Dark Nebula

Jan-13-2018 6:46 PM

That's right dk, after encountering the knight wearing that type of helmet, the opponent would be too busy rolling on the floor laughing his ass off, allowing the knight to attack. But at least the opponent would die with a smile on his face.

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Dark Nebula

Jan-26-2018 12:33 AM

More similar ones, couldn't find their place and year of origin.

 

 

"Human heaven? Goodness, humans don't go to heaven.

Someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts."

- Kryten, Red Dwarf S3E06 "The Last Day"

Davefried81

Jan-26-2018 6:57 AM

Every time I pass these drain spouts, I always think of the Space Jockey helmet!  Never fails!

Davefried81

Jan-26-2018 6:58 AM

http://www.roofdrainexpress.com/resize/shared/images/product/1771.jpg?bw=1000&w=1000&bh=1000&h=1000

Ingeniero

Jan-27-2018 3:00 PM

Here is a screen shot (below) from the link above Davefried81. I see what you're talking about regarding the classic lines/shape/formed metal.

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