As Ridley Scott continues to deny his creation, a poll reaches its tipping point
The AVP poll asking if you would rather see Ridley Scott's sequel to AC or Alien 5 by Neil Bloomkamp is at 50- 50
Does the Alien 5 they (50%) prefer to see include a Predator or Chucky in it?
I think this poll is not as much backing to Blomkampt's project as it is a rejection to Ridley's persistence on deviating from the themes and narrative that made Alien, Alien.
That poll is interesting but there could be more to it. There are probably protest votes, votes genuinely wanting one or the other etc. Not a bad voter turn out- roughly 17% of the forum. It would be nice to see more break down though.
Numbers based on votes and members on the forum. I do not know membership on AVPG.
I'm sick of the shoot 'em up, shoot 'em out Alien films. I love where Ridley is going with this..
I think RS had a Original Vision, that would have covered the Xenomorph and then allowed us to move on past this and explore the Engineers, but FOX felt the Engineers was more interesting and the Xeno had been done to death and something New was needed.
Prometheus appeared to be setting us up to move away from the Xenomorph and Alien... but again it appeared once again FOX Panicked and Felt in Hindsight they should have covered the Xenomorph and so they changed the plans again.
Now that this never went down well....( Alien Covenant)
It appears RS seems to be suggesting in Hindsight indeed the Xenomorph is cooked, and something Fresh Needs doing, yet the Fans expected these NEW Alien Prequels to Lead to ALIEN.
They have Written themselves into another more Tighter Corner now..
The Problem was not the Xenomorph, it was how it was handled, the movie sadly tried to cover a lot of bases, tried to please Prometheus fans, but had desecrated a lot of it... it tried to please Alien Fans but some parts desecrated that... and it simply never had the Action or Queens and Ripleys to please the Fanboys.
I would think the sticking Problems for AC are..
*for some section of Fans, it did not cover the Engineers enough, and the Engineers shown failed to live up to the expectations of those beings we saw in Prometheus.
*some fans hoped for some of Shaws Questions to be Answered.
*Alien Fans, the New Design (Chest Burster) and Gestation/Growth Rate are a conflict to the Alien Lore...
*The Basis now that David Created the Xenomorph and the story is about him, is something that has split fans more so than the Space Jockey being Giant Humanoids (not so Giant)
*The movie Bigged it up to be a Horror and many fans expected a Alien like Vibe to it, but got rushed ALIEN like Scene near the end, and disappointing changes to Lore.
*The ALIENS Fans was expecting a more Ripley Character and Action, and Sadly the Neomorph attack Scenes and Daniels Shooting the Xenomorph failed to give anything near Aliens Action.
I dont think they can now just Drop the Xenomorph, and concentrate on David... i think this is not the case at all, they wont give us a ALIEN AWAKENING and not have any Xenomorph connections.. they cant have the ALIEN Prefix without it as Fans associate the Name with the Xenomorph and Ripley and not Engineers and David
But i dont think it does not have to be all about the Xenomorph.
STAR WARS: The Force Awakens was about the Force, and leading to a Awakening in the Force and so a Set up for a Sequel (The Last Jedi) that would cover the Jedi and Force more.
The Force Awakens, thus did not have as much about the Force or Jedis as the Phantom Menace... And i think ALIEN AWAKENING will deal with the Xenomorph like SW: Force Awakens did with the Jedi/Force.
Leading up to another movie that will show us the Classic Xenomorph Eggs and Derelict Event...
Alien Awakening as far as AI/David and the Company Agenda will be more like the Rebuilding of the EMPIRE (Weyland) into the NEW ORDER (Weyland-Yutani) and reveal AI is running the Show, much like SNOKE is in the Star Wards new sequels.
The FORCE could be our Xenomorph Weapon and the Last Jedi could well be the Hiearchy of those Engineers, who will be out to stop who ever destroyed Paradise/Planet 4
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I'm okay with an Alien5 as long as there is no Xenomorphs or Ripley.
Something completely new.
I vote for Sir Ridley's movie, as this is after all, his universe!!!!
Tell Bloomkamp to make a Predator movie? I bet he could make a good one of those?
Focusing on androids is boring so they get what they deserve. I think that the path that the franchise is taking now is just bad (AC and to a lesser degree Prometheus).
They believed that Prometheus lacked Xenos and that it was the big problem. It seems to me that they were wrong. It lacked well done human characters something which unfortunately undoes many of the interesting things in both AC and Prometheus.
Sorry Scrib but I would rather watch Aliens than AC, it has more interesting characters and is not a AI crap fest.
Prometheus had too little of the Alien and too many bad characters. AC had the beast and still too many under-developed characters. They both had problems in common and things that were different but still bad. Two problems with AC is that it had too many slow parts and too much AI crap.
Having things about the Engineers could be interesting but they were never done too well in Prometheus or AC. I would rather watch a movie about the Engineers and their connection to the Xeno rather than a movie about AI.
Yes it seems like the gestation period of the Xeno was messed with but that was far from my biggest problem.
David as the creator of the Xenos is really stupid maybe even more so since I find the take-over of the Alien franchise and turn it into a boring AI angle just bad. Sure they could have done that in more interesting ways like the Engineers finding the eggs and developed their own versions but they sort of went with one boring explanation. I sort of blame this on Scott but maybe Fox is responsible for that too.
Some scenes were too slow and too long so they bored me. Seeing David and Walter talk about things was interesting but the scene was too slow and made me feel tired in the end when that scene was over. Maybe my attention-span is too short, that is a possibility.
If they would drop the Xeno and just focus on David I would be maybe not pissed off but at least I would not be happy. If that would be the case I would probably tell people to avoid that crap.
Having well developed/well-written human characters is the most important thing. That is in part what made Alien so good and why Prometheus and AC are in huge part failures. Please focus on the humans in the next movie and make them sympathetic and interesting. At least make them more than two-dimensional or so they won't be like archetypes.
Big Dave: To me the Alien movies have never been purely about the Xeno, it has also got to do with the human journey or what ever to call it. How we as humans behave when we get into situations that none of us could ever imagine that we could end up in. When I look back at it, it made it interesting because the Xeno was a threat and the reason why that worked is that the actors in Alien did that so well so you found that to be a believable threat. A Xeno costume could be thrown in in a comedy movie (closest to that is maybe AR) or a drama movie, it is the atmosphere and how the humans respond to that that is the important thing. We got to care for the characters and since they failed with them in AC and Prometheus the movies sort of became what they are, disappointments.
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