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Youtube video mourns the death of HR Giger's monster and all that it stood for

Youtube video mourns the death of HR Giger's monster and all that it stood for

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joylitt

Oct-13-2017 3:23 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odz8Wam7n-Y

28 Responses to Youtube video mourns the death of HR Giger's monster and all that it stood for

dk

Oct-13-2017 3:41 PM

Hmm. Very interesting points. My take away is that the author thinks Alien should have been a stand alone movie and I could agree with that. I cannot recall offhand another series with so many sequels to where the original premise doesn't get diluted. Case in point- I think Pitch Black would have been great if they never made any sequels. Another part is a studio's desire to capitalize on a good thing.

Thanks for sharing- that was a good video.

dk

Oct-13-2017 3:41 PM

Double post

 

joylitt

Oct-13-2017 3:46 PM

dk I think it also makes the point that the franchise lost its way.

dk

Oct-13-2017 3:49 PM

joylitt Maybe, but in 1979, I don't think they made the movie with a future in mind. Movies are bound to lose their way especially when different writers and directors come and go.

I Moon Girl

Oct-13-2017 5:49 PM

Interesting video.

I think it is way to earlier to draw conclusions about the prequels.  This video is very premature and short-sighted.  The prequels are not finished and we are just going to have to wait till Alien: Awakening comes out for us the reach our decision if the Xeno has "died".

In Alien: Covenant, we just got David's perspective.  There were no Engineers in Alien: Covenant to share the knowledge of the Xeno.  I think the author of the video is wrong in saying that the Xeno is a manifestation of defiance against the human race from a rogue android.  We don't know why the Engineers created the black goo or the Xeno or if they created the Xeno.  

In the A:C novel, the Engineers made the Xeno.  In the movie, it's not spoon fed to us and is a bit ambiguous.

There is one piece that can make the prequels story a death of the Xeno or the creation of everything the Xeno originally stood for.  That piece is the Engineers knowledge.  All the knowledge we have of Engineers is based off of theories and assumptions.  We do have some proof of facts related to the Engineers, but those don't relate with the pieces of the story that everyone is concerned with.

The whole point of the prequels was to learn about the alien in the chair from the original 1979 Alien; yet, we are being introduced to the life of all the Engineers, not just the 1979 one, very slowly and without much of a trace of an alive Engineer.  I would expect that the space jockey's that we discovered in 1979 and stunningly reintroduced to us in 2012 with make a return alive and well.  Hopefully, then, we will learn of the true origins of the Xeno and the black goo instead of just backlash from a envious android, which is still an interesting story relevant to our times.

joylitt

Oct-13-2017 5:54 PM

I Moon Girl The good thing is that like with any classic monster, it can be reborn. Too bad Ridley rejected his own baby. He could have made it legendary again. 

I Moon Girl

Oct-13-2017 6:01 PM

@joylitt

Prometheus was a fantastic movie.  No Xeno, but I never cared.

joylitt

Oct-13-2017 6:09 PM

I Moon Girl Prometheus was alright. All the legacy of that movie was dumped already in a very brutal way.

Tiwaz

Oct-13-2017 6:42 PM

They could've made the Xeno mysterious (at least partially) again by moving it's origins away from the Engineers and humans. To a source even the Engineers are afraid of. 

As for the sexual themes... hmm... I don't think they would work nowadays like they did in the late 70ties. Because ppl are kinda "over saturated" by modern media, today. Horror, Sex etc, available anytime if you want. 

Less pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo and more oomph might help as well. ;)

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

dk

Oct-13-2017 7:10 PM

Tiwaz Agree. There should be some mystery left to the imagination. Part of sci fi is to engage the imagination. We seem to be at an age where everyone wants answers, have them explained to the nth degree and can research it on the internet.

I also agree that the dark sexual themes aren't what they were back in the late 70s. Back then, a lot was left to the imagination and today things are pretty accessible. To be fair, I am old and jaded, so I can't be sure how Alien would be viewed by a tween now.

ignorantGuy

Oct-13-2017 8:50 PM

Good riddance Mr. Xeno, but sincerely they should have not prolonged your suffering for 31 years.

 

MonsterZero

Oct-14-2017 5:09 AM

Yeah...Giger's monster died in 1986......it was just a scared and hungry drone on the Nostromo..probably frightened by the surroundings....you'd probably freak out too if you woke on a strange alien spacecraft.

The Xeno is clearly humanoid..2 arms..2 legs..looks like a human. Not a frog, goat or a fish. Intelligent design? Who made it and why?

Could you feed a Xeno a cow and it would be happy and maybe become your friend? Or is it programmed to kill only humans/humaoids?

How long do Facehuggers last? 5 days? a week? how do they survive in pods/eggs? How do they eat? where do they get their nourishment? Does the blue laser light feed them? or keep them alive? is it a trigger to bring them out of hibernation? ?

It would make sense, if some ancient civilization hated the Engineers and wanted them dead and created these Xeno's to kill humanoids and humans just got in the way. But are the Engineers really stupid enough to stick their face in a pod...seems like a crazy way to attack your enemy. Just nuke their planet and be done with it.

Something like David creating them make even more sense...he can easily wipe out as many humans as he wants....This way he kills 2 birds with one stone...David gets to create life and in turn, that life kills humans...PERFECT!

 

Wonder if David will create a synthetic facehugger(spacehugger) or even a bio/synthetic Xeno?

 

I Raptus

Oct-14-2017 7:05 PM

Interesting video! Definitely food for thought for the whole franchise.

Tiwaz i like your line about "less pseudo intelligent mumbo jumbo". It does seem that RS has replaced the art of true mystery for psuedo intelligent ambiguity and overt symbolism. 

 

joylitt

Oct-14-2017 7:51 PM

 IRaptus I bet that in your profile pic is the bad guy from "Wolf Creek"

 

I Raptus

Oct-14-2017 10:43 PM

joylitt it is indeed. John Jarrett is touring NSW at the moment as an ambassador for asbestos awareness and doing public and greets. Im going tomorrow to meet him XD

joylitt

Oct-14-2017 11:08 PM

Now that you are seeing him I hope you can talk him into using his tracking skills and bowie knife in hunting down so called android David. All travel expenses paid, there's a big $$$$$$$$$$$ reward for his head plus a full pardon for previous depraved criminal activities. But he has make it back to Earth with that fucker's head before the next Alien movie starts shooting!

ignorantGuy

Oct-14-2017 11:15 PM

joylitt

He should not forget to wear an environmental protection suit... for you know, black spores. And please do no not engage him in a fist fight because he will mos def make a switcharoo on you.

joylitt

Oct-14-2017 11:20 PM

red0guy And have a mint in case he tries to french kiss you.

ignorantGuy

Oct-14-2017 11:49 PM

joylitt

And try not have things with holes on you as he will try to finger them!

joylitt

Oct-14-2017 11:54 PM

Or the opposite of it. Bring something with holes so alluring that while he is busy fingering them, you get the chance to disconnect him.

ignorantGuy

Oct-15-2017 12:22 AM

joylitt

That would be a sleight case of fingered to death..

I Raptus

Oct-15-2017 1:39 AM

No worries and I'll tell him Joylitt said hi too XD

Old Mick Taylor could take David in a knife fight 

joylitt

Oct-15-2017 1:45 AM

CPU is in the back of the neck though lol

Lawrence of Arabia

Oct-15-2017 10:05 AM

Boo hoo. I swear, some are getting over dramatic af. I understand the allure of the mystery but it was gonna come out at some point after 35 years and the David origin fits the dark, sexual, predatory nature of the creature that Giger envisioned as it is now firmly a biomechanical monster as opposed to some space animal. I get not wanting to know but this origin fits. Also, how many times has the H.R.Gigers monster died now? Alien 3? Resurrection? Both AvP films? Stop crying and have some fun because this is it.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

joylitt

Oct-15-2017 2:54 PM

Lawrence of Arabia And how many times the Terminator, the Predator, Godzilla, King Kong, Frankenstein and Dracula have died? Monsters die and are reborn. Origin stories and prequels are forgotten or become bad memories. Therefore, one day, I think, the xenomorph, the fear of the unknown and HR Giger in all its glorious weirdness will come back with a vengeance, and the excitement will return to the Alien franchise.

I Moon Girl

Oct-15-2017 4:27 PM

@joylitt

That brings up the topic of remaking the original Alien.

Could it even be done?  After all, we already know what a facehugger does and we've seen the Xeno tons by now.  Still, after all the prequels are done, do you think someone is going to remake the original Alien to bring everything full circle?  Or maybe the original Alien will be remade 50 or 100 years from now after the Alien franchise has been forgotten?

joylitt

Oct-15-2017 5:35 PM

I Moon Girl Maybe not right now, but I think it would be interesting to recapture in the future the same sense of claustrophobia on a cosmic horror canvas. Maybe follow the example of Blade Runner: 2049. Same feel, similar setting, but with different characters. And I don't really thing the Alien saga will be forgotten, fut some entries in the franchise will be kinda "brushed under the carpet". Even critically well regarded movies like "Star Trek Into Darkness" receive delayed and protracted backlash from a fanbase, so the audience has the last word and time will tell.

Thoughts_Dreams

Oct-17-2017 8:00 AM

It seems to me that he thinks that there should just be Alien 1979 and no follow-ups.

I agree that they should have stopped earlier (but that should have been after Alien 3 in my opinion). Nowadays I feel like I would be fine without Aliens also.

The Xeno was a disappointment in Alien Covenant because it could be so easily killed and was used as a non-intelligent bug (the crane scene). Its use was another annoying part of AC.

"Talking head David" LOL!

Unfortunately the Franchise doesn't do very well now, it started with AR.

My preferred origin of the Xeno is that it would be something that the Engineers found and developed their own version of or if they found it on some planet and took home and used as a weapon. The first idea is not far from the ADF version were David re-creates the Xeno from Engineer tools. If they go with the idea that David creates it then to me it seems to be one of the worst scenarios about how it came to be.

"Now that you are seeing him I hope you can talk him into using his tracking skills and bowie knife in hunting down so called android David."

LMAO! I laugh so much so I cry (which I think is strange because isn't happiness and sorrow supposed to be different emotions on opposite ends so to speak). Thanks Joylitt

Lawrence of Arabia: Call it over-dramatic if you want, I am totally fine if people think that the movie is a complete turd especially if it to an extent deserves it (which I think it does). There are parts that I like about the movie but it doesn't hold up in general. As far as the mystery you can explain it in different ways it is just that the way that they made it sucks.

"Stop crying and have some fun became this is it."

Not if the movie is crap, forget that. Why should we have to like a movie just because it has Alien as a part of the title or is a part of the alien universe? If that would be the case people would have to like Alien Resurrection as well according to your way of thinking. In no way will I think that AR is a good movie and the same goes for Alien Covenant.

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