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RS Quotes from the end of commentry. RE:AWAKNING

sherris

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Posted Sep-25-2017 1:23 PM

Just a quick one at the end of the A:C with RS commentary. He says it is going to be a step further and I know its gonna be nasty. It is going right from Prometheus to Ripley on the Nostromo. David made Xeno, Prometheus gave us The Engineers. They will goto the planet. They will find the cabin on a lake. 

At this point he gets a drone hit from FOX. Stopping.

Hey it is the last 53-55 mins on the BR

 

 

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

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Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Sep-25-2017 1:47 PM

Awakening is gonna be mind-blowing, I just know it.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Tyrannos

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Posted Sep-25-2017 2:57 PM

Why are there three of this topic?

"With great power, comes great responsibility. This is my gift, my curse. I am Spider-Man."

BigDave

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Posted Sep-25-2017 3:51 PM

I am concerned myself...

I think i can work out the plan they had... which would maybe need at least TWO movies... maybe a 3rd if David gets up to much Shenanigans on the Covenant.

I am worried FOX/RS have given up a bit on David Arc, and the Giant well not so Giant Humanoid Engineers and all the Philosophy etc

I think they will cover the Xenomorph as far as how we get to so many Eggs, i fear this means we will get a Proto-Queen.. which may not mean a Xeno Queen but at least some Hybrid that many Eggs can come from...

We we get links and a Story that now takes us away from the Prequels about Davids Journey and bring in the Ripley Family Store :(

And i think he will introduce us to another Race that will play a key role, and i wonder if this will show us the Engineers in a much more lesser light... and they are just Pawns for some other Race.

i only hope they can tie in the Ancient Mythos to these beings, and that RS is not gonna give us some Race who are more Alien and have nothing to do or link to mankind's interpretations of GOD

Which may still work out ok.... im just concerned about the QUEEN and RIPLEY... No thanks.. been done to Death... Give us the New Born instead lol

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Sep-25-2017 3:53 PM

"Why are there three of this topic?"

Happens sometimes... ive locked the others.. and sometimes it happens when your making a Topic and the Server or your connection is closed/crashes.  Other time is if the user is a New poster and their Topics will not appear right away.

But the more posts like replies/activity you have the sooner you posted Threads will appear.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Sep-25-2017 4:00 PM

BigDave

"I am worried FOX/RS have given up a bit on David Arc, and the Giant well not so Giant Humanoid Engineers and all the Philosophy etc"

I don't think this'll be the case considering Ridley is keen on this story. He listened to the fanbase once and now they're out for his head hopefully means he just won't lol If Awakening is to have any impact it must build on the trajectory already set in place by Prometheus and now Covenant which I believe is what Ridley always had in mind. To contradict or give up now would result in nonsense imo. Hopefully we get some more news soon.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Ati

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Posted Sep-25-2017 4:46 PM

Lawrence of Arabia

'Hopefully we get some more news soon.'

Can't wait. My personal theory is that we will be informed about a new Alien movie after the first weekend of Blade Runner 2049.

Tyrannos

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Posted Sep-25-2017 5:20 PM

Aight, thanks Big Dave.

"With great power, comes great responsibility. This is my gift, my curse. I am Spider-Man."

sherris

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Posted Sep-26-2017 5:31 AM

Hope you are right ATI that would be mint !!

 

BigDave - Hello Again !!!!

I too think a higher being could take centre stage, filling in the blanks for our Engineer questions. Linking nicely but with new direction...

I would personally love that too !!

A:A - i cant see how they can answer the SJ question (which until A:C was answered) and then get to the Nostromo.

Considering the planet distances. LV 426 has to be visited. LV 223 could be visited as it is weapons station and nearby.

But what about Origae 6 ? Planet 4 Walter ? How can they go to 2 of these places in one film ? They are simply too far apart. But visit 3 or 4 ? cmon

I tried a thread suggesting Planet 4 was in fact some how related to the system with the LV moons but was laughed at and rightly so but i do have a feeling A:A will drop a major continuity error and spoil the whole 3. So many pot holes. So many haters watching and waiting. Refardless of that, it is a professional studio and should make NO such error.

What ya think ???????????????

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

BigDave

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Posted Sep-26-2017 8:34 AM

@Lawrence of Arabia

I hope so.... i think its a case of what does FOX blame for the disappointment with Alien Covenant... it appears that the direction both prequels had taken are what they think is a disappointment.

All the comments and clues leading up to Prometheus 2 seemed to point to a movie that would not give us Xenomorphs yet, but explore the reasons behind the Engineers Culture, why we was created, and what caused those on LV-223 to start to do such experiments...  and for Dr Shaw to get some answers.

It would appear FOX saw Alien 5 was getting more Hype and Interest and so they had got RS to bring the Xenomorph connection back...

So they tried bring the Xenomorph back.... we have to ask is the Xenomorph in AC why the movie disappointed?

Was it that the Xenomorph did not quite look the same?

Was it that the Xenmorph Chest Buster disappointed fans?

Was it that there was not enough shown of the Xenomorphs?

Was it the Faster Gestation of the Xenomorphs?

OR... Was it Davids Involvement in the creation of the Xenomorph?

Looking at the General Public reaction.. well Majority of fans, it seems most are disappointed with the Chest Buster and Gestation/Growth Rate.

But then we get what seems more like 35/65% Split against David being the Creator of the Xenomorph, it just appears TWO 3rds in general would have not liked David to had anything to do with the original Xenomorph.

So for the Sequel... its a case of does FOX feel, they should ignore the Xenomorph?  Or is it that they feel Davids role needs to be toned down and give some other explanation for the eventual Eggs on the Derelict?

A lot of Prometheus Fans felt the way Dr Shaw was handled and Engineers as in all being brushed under the Carpet was a Disappointment, but then i noticed a number of people still felt AC was touching to much on Prometheus

i think the majority Fan Boys...   still are in denial and are holding out for the Xenomorphs to be Ancient, having a more powerful role than just a engineered Bio-Weapon be that by Bald Humanoids or Crazy Androids.   And also holding out that the Engineers role is not as large as bringing in some other Race who Fans would hope as the Creators of the Xenomorph or even relations to the Xenomorph itself.

it appears, a majority are not so happy at the whole Engineers, being Ancient Humanoids who are our Ancestors or connected some way and interpreted as our Gods/Creators...   Never mind how this Race also Created or are Responsible for the Derelict, its Cargo and the Xenomorph.

I think a lot of Fanboys in Hindsight would rather a different more Alien Approach to the Xenomorph Origin and Space Jockey that has nothing to do with investing in the Company Back Ground and Androids never mind Ancient Astronaut Theory Story.

Give us the Ganesha Space Jockey... Some may Scream... Give us Queens....

So i HONESTLY think it depends how much RS is interested in his Story about Creation/Creator Rebellion and the Engineers Arc and Davids Arc...   And if FOX agree this is the way they should have taken Prometheus Sequel.... and not bring the Xenomorph back...

Or if FOX feel that its not the Xenomorph that was the failings but the whole set up from Prometheus to AC regarding the Emphasis on Engineers, Creators, Gods and Rebellion and David.

I feel now they have started this Path they cant abandon it..., they have to stick to it... but they can merely Change David as a Re-creator of the Xenomorph and have him Evolve something that actually ends up being less Xenomorph than evolving more Xenomorph.

And then bring in some other Race who used the Engineers merely as Slaves and in some kind of Sacrificial purpose that Xenomorph Related Organisms play a Role..

Thats how i think they need to Save the Story now...

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Sep-26-2017 8:41 AM

@sherris

The SJ Question was set up in front of our own eyes... the clues are there from Prometehus...  The Outbreak Event on LV-223 would be connected to the Space Jockey...

1) The Space Jockey was carrying those Eggs for Experiments and it crashed, but some Engineers then Re-engineered them. And so the Derelict Predated the LV-223 Outbreak

2) The Space Jockey was carrying the results of Experiments on LV-223 or even something they experimented on Evolved into that Cargo and thus the Derelict happened after the LV-223 Outbreak

Clues are there for this... and then RS even confirmed it but vaguely.... he had confirmed the Derelict did not get far from its departure, its pilot had became infected with the Cargo and attempted to Qaurantine it on LV-426.  And the Event happened within a Few Hundred years of the Outbreak...  

so thats either a Event prior to the Outbreak by 100-200 years, or after the outbreak 100-200 years... but latter comments by RS where he claimed the Space Jockey was infected by something that Evolved in his Cargo... now seem to sugest the Derelict was infected with what ever Chest Busted the Dead Engineers in the Juggernaught in Prometheus... the Cargo had Evolved into Eggs and so the Derelict happened 100-200 years after the LV-223 Outbreak.

HOWEVER... it appeared they had a change of plans when they worked on AC.... it will be interesting if they do yet another U-Turn to now have once again the Derelict to be a Ancient Event.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Sep-26-2017 8:56 AM

"But what about Origae 6 ? Planet 4 Walter ? How can they go to 2 of these places in one film ? They are simply too far apart. But visit 3 or 4 ? cmon"

Indeed some on here had speculated what if Planet 4 is LV-426 etc.. there are many reasons this is not the case... some now wonder is Origae-6 LV-426 and again this is not going to be the case.

On either Account... at least i hope not..

Planet 4, was shown to be a Planet about twice the size of Earth, with 7 Moons...  also if Planet 4 was so close to LV-223 how come the company had not came along sooner?  and its a bit of a coincidence that right next door after the Outbreak 2000 years ago, and the Prometheus Mission there was Engineers thriving on this world.

Planet 4 is thus a World that is on the way to Origae-6 a world that i would assume has to be 2-5 years from Earth via what ever Speeds the Covenant can travel... the Prequel Novel may answer this for us.

Origae-6 is a further 7.5 years away from Planet 4, it cant be ruled out as near LV-223 but then Prometheus showed us that only one Moon in that system supported the potential for Life that was LV-223.

so Origae-6 is a very Earth like but not quite as suitable world as Planet 4 was, and Origae-6 is a good 10-12 years Travel from Earth by the Covenant... i can assume... again the Prequel Book should reveal Time Frame and maybe Distances to Origae-6 

As it stands now... for Davids Xenomorphs to be those on the Derelict, David would by more easier route...  take his Ship to LV-223 where he can use the Outpost to Experiment on the Crew...  or he could get some more Black Goo from Planet 4... but LV-223 has much more for him....    Or he can somehow have those TWO Face Huggers change the Crew into Thousands of Eggs.

David still needs a Juggernaught/Derelict if this is the case.. we can assume the one he used in Prometheus is out of action... and there was No Clues to other ships in AC apart from the Deleted Scene.. So David would have to go at some point to LV-223 to pick up a Engineer Ship.

Unless..

1) Origae-6 is a Engineer World and has a Ship... which is a bit to much of a coincidence.

2) David uses one from Planet 4 (deleted Scene shows there are at least 2-3 more)...  

But the Set up seems to be that David will go to Origae-6 for some Purpose....  which for me, as far as the Goal of Creating Eggs or Destroying Mankind...  why cant he just SET UP SHOP on Planet 4, or go to LV-223?

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Sep-26-2017 9:10 AM

The Biggest Clue is RS comments where he says 3-4 Parties will be at play and join David... and one of those will be the Engineers.

To me this sets up the following...

David will head towards Origae-6 where i assume from clues in the movie is a place that has not yet been inhabited by Humans at least not from Earth... or if so it only has a small start up Outpost..

its more likely David will go to Origae-6 at some point, and prepare the Colonization Mission, likely have to awaken some of the Crew (but not Daniels or Tennessee) come up with some excuse for the death of the Crew, and wipe the records and evidence.

Then the Colonist prepare to set up their New World, before David does something to Strand them on the Surface... while then he goes about to experiment on others on the Covenant and then transport the eggs on the Surface.

Unless he sets up a Cave or some place with Experiments and Eggs that will be in stasis... and then sets up the Colony and then leads them once he has a few hundred there.. into his Lair/Trap.

The W-Y Company will be sending a Ship in to intercept Davids, and likely they arrive after David has been on Origae-6 but it appears the company will be in the know about what David has done.

Meanwhile... Engineers or their Hierarchy return to inspect Planet 4 and find it decimated... maybe they realize what has happened and know of the Black Goo?  It is more Logical that the Engineers arrive at a time when David has already arrived at Origae-6 and so i will SAFELY ASSUME the Engineers return 8-10 years latter after David and Survivors leave Planet 4

I will Assume the Engineers via Walter find out the system David is going to (Origae-6) and off the Engineers go to Prevent David.

I will assume we would see Colonist suffer a Xeno infestation, like Hadleys Hope, the Company arrive and we have a shown down... but David tries to Persuade some of the Company of the uses of the Xenomorph and thus see the colonist as Pawns for a Bigger Pay Off.

I would assume the Colonist have some W-Y Military on their side, while some other W-Y Personnel agree to a Pact/Agenda where the Xeno Bio-Weapon is what they want and the Colonist are Expendable.

So i see a conflict between Colonist Survivors, and some Military who side with them and corrupt W-Y Types + Security who see the use for the Xenomorph....

And this conflict continues but is disrupted by the Arrival of the Engineers, who then get into conflict with the Xenomorph...

They would then either enter a Pact with David, or Destroy David and the Colonist and all Humans.... but then these Engineers or a few survivors would see the potential in Davids Experiments

I think they would then take the Eggs or some and head off to LV-223 either to destroy the Outpost or use it for further experiments... but then the Pilot and Crew get infected either on the way to LV-223

Or after doing what ever they intend on LV-223.

This is how i saw how Alien Awakening would go, and its pretty much at least the kind of route i would take...

But is this the Movie/ TWO Movies we shall see?

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

sherris

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Posted Sep-26-2017 9:18 AM

With RS mentioning they will go to see the cabin on the lake, well that heavily hints at Origae 6. However, wording is always cryptic from RS ambig at best. But am so happy that i caught it.

Gives us plenty to debate.

Potentially which Planets could we get to in one realistic action based film ? Is 2 possible ? more ?

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

sherris

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Posted Sep-26-2017 1:17 PM

Engineers, Humans, Davids Lambs and the Colonial Marines WY and David double crossing each other.

Then we get the Higher Being. The real god. gods god. The Elders God.

Thaty will do nicely for now ;)

 

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Thoughts_Dreams

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Posted Sep-27-2017 7:48 AM

Lawrence of Arabia: It is better to wait until we see how the movie is. To feel something about something that will happen in the future isn't very helpful because we won't know until we see the movie. Since both AC and Prometheus were subpar IMO I will continue to be very skeptical about it.

 

I hope that they won't F it up like they did with AC and Prometheus.

 

Big Dave: I wouldn't mind if they switch focus to something else than David. He is over-done at this point. The Engineers could be interesting but I don't want another Covenant (a movie focused on David). A new movie should focus on likable human characters, less on AI.

 

Egg-morphing seems more interesting than a queen, at least if you ask me. They have had a queen in many Alien movies now.

 

A Ripley connected movie would not be interesting but it isn't very good at this point either.

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