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Forget About Numbers, Japan, Fox... What Do YOU think an ALIEN Movie Should Be in 2017?

Forget About Numbers, Japan, Fox... What Do YOU think an ALIEN Movie Should Be in 2017?

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ScorpioStar

Sep-19-2017 12:33 PM

I myself like the road so far. But I am curious, since numbers and the sort seem to be so important to people nowadays, and they (numbers and the sort) show something I can't quite understand.

I work with movies everyday, and I sure know what a "1" to "5" score (out of "10") means in terms of overall movie quality. Also, the way box office works - I've seen enough of overpraising. So, I guess the rage against COVENANT is not exactly about "quality", but "expectations".

Honest question.

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Lawrence of Arabia

Sep-19-2017 12:47 PM

I like the road too but it seems like people just don't want the origin or mythology building and instead a rehash of Alien 79 or worse Aliens. I love the originals but we gotta move forward. The numbers are only important to those wanting a sequel or those who are looking for 'facts' to bring the film down.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

ScorpioStar

Sep-19-2017 12:55 PM

@Lawrence of Arabia

Same tune here :)

Ati

Sep-19-2017 2:58 PM

Lawrence of Arabia and ScorpioStar - The third member of the club is here! :)

I Raptus

Sep-19-2017 3:04 PM

I really enjoyed Covenant, especially the addition of the Neomorphs as a sort of chaos-sowing meso-predator to the stalking beast Protomorph. I liked David as an antagonist but felt they needed to add some of the parts from the Advent clip to really show how apathetic and indifferent he was. Advent was really a chilling clip! 

But IMO Fox tried to appease as many of the divided fan base expectations as possible - but with a 2 hour screen time that probably required at least another hour. To have really pulled it off there needed to be another half hour dedicated to the engineers/Shaw story, and another half hour on the Protomorph hunt at the end. That end sequence was so cut down and rushed it lost all suspense.

Also, If you have seen some of the animated gifs getting around on here of the chestburster, bloodburster, and the adult Protomorph there is SO much detail in the cgi creatures - but they go by in a flash on screen without giving you a chance to truly appreciate how amazing they look.

Covenant was a quality film, great atmosphere, top class soundtrack, stunning visuals, some interesting new additions and I like the direction it is headed and cant wait for Awakening!

I still maintain we will look back at Covenant after these prequels are done and then truly appreciate it for what it set up.

It is a bridging film in a trilogy that sets up the final chapter.

cuponator3000

Sep-19-2017 3:36 PM

Well, to start off I agree hardcore with iRaptus in that Covenant will be looked at in a better light when Ridley finishes what he started. 

 

What do I think an Alien movie should be? It should be a... Movie! Not exactly sure how to put this other than: Franchises, sagas, series, etc., are all doomed to fan expectations, staleness, and a profit-making mentality. We always want more from this franchise because we love it! We all probably have a different (some more similar to others than not, of course) vision/desire for any Alien movie. Ridley Scott certainly had (and has) a different vision for the franchise. 

While I don't know if the Beast will ever truly be cooked (even if it does happen, it just needs time to air out such as any film saga), I think that Prometheus may have been exactly where the franchise should have gone. At least the idea was right. Something truly DIFFERENT tham what has come before (in that saga.) Now, it was very reminiscent of Alien in many aspects, but it doesn't feel very Alien and that's actually good, I think. 

There may be nothing I enjoy more than the atmosphere and design of Alien. Literally. STILL, if the franchise is always doomed to chasing that feeling, then it will never provide us with a truly new movie. A3, Ressurection, and Covenant have suffered from chasing that Alien feel. Ressurection less so, but still. I have at least a slight love for all of the films, but if we want something that is going to be truly great, it has to be different. Between Alien and Star Wars, both are struggling to find the balance between old and new, bold and safe, and both have recently fallen towards safe. 

I think that the Alien saga needs to break it's mold. Have a TV show (Netflix being the ideal platform) about Wey-Yu, have a movie that is full on horror (like the ghost and demon movies that scare the daylights out of us. Pure terror), take another shot at hardcore scifi (Prometheus went that route), make an action/adventure film, go for a phsycological thriller, have a god damn comedy in there. The only thing to do here would be to make sure a top-notch continuity/story developing team is in place to make sure the franchise doesn't just feel like a bunch of random shit. 

I think franchises, especially my favorite one in Alien, need to keep taking chances. To be fair though, I don't/will try not to crap on anyone who doesn't want something like that. Whether you like the idea of a movie that feels JUST like Alien (or very similar), want no more movies, want Alien 5, want more Prometheus, or WHATEVER line of thought there could be, there is room for us all to exist. The unfortunate thing is that no matter what Alien movie comes out in our lifetimes, it will piss off a large number of us. 

I just want a movie that I enjoy. I have gotten that with all of them so far though..

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ScorpioStar

Sep-19-2017 3:48 PM

Amazing insights, thanks, guys! :)

colonialsoldier

Sep-20-2017 8:10 AM

There was so much material on a follow-up to a new Alien movie could be.  You have Isolation and the Neill Blomkamp idea revamping Alien3.  To be honest, Alien 3 is better than Covenant.

ScorpioStar

Sep-20-2017 10:44 AM

@colonialsoldier,

If it this is about old ideas, to be honest, "Alien 3" is far better than Cameron's "Aliens", my opinion. Then again, far and ahead, the road so far is far beyond both movies. I like the road so far for it's new and so unexpected, fans feel uncomfortable, and, nevertheless, they keep criticizing the newbies because they just can't help it :)

daliens

Sep-21-2017 2:14 AM

ScorpioStar you can count me in too.

 I like Covenant more than Prometheus so I think we are going into the right direction. 

The next film will have everything: Engineers, solid characters and script. I only hope we will not have to wait too many years for it.

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Thoughts_Dreams

Sep-22-2017 7:16 AM

Covenant has its good moments and also bad ones. I sort of like the atmosphere and the environments. The differences between David and Walter are also interesting to watch. Unfortunately they didn't succeed with the human characters. The only one that I found somewhat interesting was Oram but the rest were “meh” although they were not as outright annoying as in Prometheus so at least that was an improvement but we as an audience should be able to require more. The characters in AC were more like real people and less like archetypes compared to Prometheus.

 

The Neomorph was interesting but they failed with the Xeno. It felt like they had it in the movie just because they felt a pressure to add it.

 

I don't want another Alien or Aliens but they should be able to make it better than what it became.

 

The characters should be better written. I would like to see what they hope to achieve by going there. A bit of how they are as persons (rational, irrational, easily scared, brave, and so on). I would have wanted them to add the Phobos clip into the movie because it would have made me care more about the characters.

 

Playing around with our fears is also a good idea, that is what makes a good horror movie (and also good characters).

 

Alien 5 wouldn't be that interesting to me. I wouldn't watch it.

 

I agree with Colonialsoldier that Alien 3 is better than Covenant but then Alien 3 is my favorite Alien movie this far.

 

More about the humans and less about AI. The reason why Alien 1-3 are good movies is that they have many interesting human characters. The monsters, ships and what ever come after that.

 

Aliens was my favorite alien movie when I was younger but now as I have gotten older I prefer Alien 3 among all alien movies that they have done this far.

 

daliens

Sep-22-2017 3:43 PM

The Neomorph was interesting but they failed with the Xeno. It felt like they had it in the movie just because they felt a pressure to add it.

It's the same thing with Christmas,  they felt a pressure to add Santa each year. 

"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

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