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Not the only City on Planet 4 - Are the humanoids Engineers or Engineers creations?

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jdvyne

Aug-24-2017 1:27 PM

Hey there,

I made several screenshots but I couldn't post them all here so I've uploaded them here.

http://imgur.com/QB2I1nc

A few days ago I noticed something when I watched AC again. After T rescued them there's a short scene of the Covenant, filmed from above. And beneath I saw this and it struck me! You can see clearly lines and bows on the planets surface.* This could enhance the theory, that these beings where indeed the engineers and this was their homeworld. The black dude on the covenant said that the star of that planet was very old - which implies them beeing the engineers.


Yet I'm still undecided. To me there are two theories:

a) These are the engineers, this is their homeworld.

b) These beings are the creation of the engineers - just like the humans. But unlike with humanity the engineers didn't break contact but continued visiting them. Maybe they even blended with their creation. See the top picture. There are three characters whose skin is more green than beige. Also the both dudes in pic 2 and pic 3 (red circle) do not even closely look like engineers, despite them having no hair and eyebrows. Their noses are in no way characteristic for what we have seen in prometheus. Their skin is much more beige but this could be due to them getting "brown" by the sun every day, whereas the engineers in prometheus have spent most of their time in hazardsuits and spaceships and so on.

BUT

the most obvious thing - and I just cannot believe that this should be an oversight, this is simply impossible - is that they have human eyes. Not black eyes as the engineers.

I hope that this is not the homeworld of the engineers. Personally I would have preferred it, if RS wouldn't have shown the bombing scene but would leave the audience guessing, wondering what the hell happened on this planet. Is this what would happen to humanity? Are these engineers? Is there a war between the engineers? Everything - from RS comment back in the 70s that the juggernaught must be a bomber and the eggs must be its cargo, to the whole movie of Prometheus, with the duality between god and satan / olymp and Prometheus - seemed to indicate this. I would even like the idea, that the engineers are extinct and several of their creations followd their track and try to walk in their footsteps, become creators themselfs, get the secretes and technology of the engineers and they are batteling each other or something like that. One of these factions could be the biomechanoid ones. Anyways, RS decision to making David just dropping the ooze on them just seems lame to me. No mystery left, no wondering, no marvel. Just a robots whose circits poped and he has become insane, crazy due to a lack of maintenance. And there is nothing to discover within madness, full stop.


All in all the movie was okay but I remember very well the feeling when walking out, thinking: this is it? Thats the whole story? How disappointingly unimaginative.


So what do you think? Were these the engineers?


*This would enhance the theory, that these humanoids where the creation of the engineers and not the engineers themselfs, because, as Holloway pointed out: god does not built straight lines - so neither on LV 233 nor on Planet 4 the humans would meet their creators.

7 Responses to Not the only City on Planet 4 - Are the humanoids Engineers or Engineers creations?

drucea

Aug-25-2017 11:03 AM

I've read in a few other topics about the thoughts on the black eyes.  It was suggested that the engineers in Prometheus were possibly thousands+ years older than the Planet 4 engineers.  Perhaps over the amount of time and evolution, the black eyes transitioned to human eyes.

I was thinking that maybe the space-faring engineers that seed planets have the black eyes due to evolution in space, while the engineers that stayed on Planet 4 and evolved there developed a more terrestrial-suited eye/vision type.

Farlander

Aug-25-2017 11:25 AM

"(...) the idea, that the engineers are extinct and several of their creations followd their track and try to walk in their footsteps, become creators themselfs.."

That's a very, very interesting idea. 

From this perspective, the people from Planet 4 could be even humanoids in some kind of religious devotion to their Creators, trying to walk their footsteps, as you said. The Juggernaut in which David arrives would be to them almost like some kind of Jesus's second arrival. And indeed, with it comes the apocalypse.

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"This mighty city shows the wonders of my hand."

Gralen

Aug-27-2017 9:56 AM

I wrote in another there here that planet 4 could be a recreation/sacral planet of that race with less surface structures/orbital structures.

They live there in harmony with the nature and the high tech reduced to a minimum.

You can even see they had some farms to grow crops/grain but no machines in near proximity. Probably done the work the old fashioned way mechanically.

If this would be the current homeworld of an ancient billion years old species David's Juggernaut would be pulverized millions of miles before entering that orbit.

The Engineers will be pissed when they find out their beautiful planet got destroyed. They probably originated from there but found another new (home)world in far reaches of our or another galaxy.

AdamPD

Aug-27-2017 11:35 AM

@Gralen I don't think it's possible, even for the engineers, to pulverise the Juggernaut millions of miles before entering orbit, because it never entered orbit

It dropped out of warp/hyperjump into the planets atmosphere, very close to the ground infact.

Perhaps the Engineers hadn't discovered any civilisation out there which rivalled or was close to their level of technology.

So they would have no reason to open fire on a ship of their own making, which seemed to arrive and dock properly, for all they knew, it was their own gods/people coming home after a long mission.

To the OP, good catch with the lines on the planet surface!

Most if not all of the engineers tech seems to be either hidden, or integrated into the natural surfaces of stone, like the temples on Prometheus

They obviously have some form of electricity, given that David had automated lamps in his cave.

I noticed before the drop ship leaves Paradise there are some large carved doorways of some kind in the mountains too, so perhaps they live underground, due to the extreme weather on that planet.

Gralen

Aug-27-2017 1:43 PM

@AdamPD

Here is a slight misunderstanding.

I meant their real/current homeworld is probably much more advanced (than planet 4) and they have longrange scanners for incoming objects. Be it asteroids or ships.

They are probably so advanced tha they can make a realtime holographic map of their solar system with all objects that move, even if they are at very high velocities.

So they would be better prepared than that primitive living lifeforms on planet 4.

BigDave

Aug-19-2019 8:23 AM

I Missed this TOPIC.

So thanks for the Link in a Recent Topic jdvyne

I have discussed some of the Differences recently in Topics i replied to, so i will TRY and keep this Short.

I felt it was ODD they looked different, and it had got me to Wonder if these were Hybrids, had the Engineers Lost the Ability to Procreate (Indicated in the Drafts to the First Prequel) and the Creation of Mankind was a way to Produce a Race they can Procreate with... maybe Females?  There is in some Mythos and Religion Tales of the Gods (and Angels) being attracted to Human Females.

I wondered as such after seeing The Crossing prior to Alien Covenants release.

Other than that, was this Paradise as in a Place the Worthy/Pure or Heroic are allowed and so this is a Collection of Various Humanoids the Engineers had Seeded,  there are NO Humans as we basically Screwed Up and are NOT Permitted Paradise.

These were TWO Conclusions i Drawn....

I thought IF these were intended as Engineers then its a MASSIVE OVERSIGHT.... Surely a Bit more Pale Make Up (only reveal Head/Hands) and Black Out  Sclera Contacts would NOT have cost much or been much more Time Consuming for the Scene.

But then we had Ridley Scott make some Comments that maybe CLEAR things up.

*Those Engineers on Planet 4 are the Originals

*The Engineers are NOT a Race but a Civilization.

This indicates the Engineers Seed/Evolve many Worlds with Life Created from their DNA some of these Cultures could maybe have some of their Species brought back to Planet 4 to Interbreed with.

Ridley Scott had said while there are many Different Kinds of Humans on Earth (Races) then WHY cant the same be with the Engineers.

This could explain WHY those Engineers on Planet 4 look more Human, and WHY some of them look different to each other.

Prometheus was also a Tale of Sub-Creation, Playing God and the Pitfalls of such....

Ridley Scott mentions that the NEXT movie would be about AI and not Xenomorph, and what KIND of a World that David would Create....   he then mentions that the Replicants are AI too.

This implies in his MIND that AI does-not have to be Synthetic, and that AI could be Biological.

So this could indicate that the Prometheus Engineers are either a Sub-Creation made to Serve a Purpose and so are like David, well like the Replicants are to Mankind.

Or they are a Group of Engineers who took Genetic Engineering and Enhancements to a Greater Level in the Attempt to Better Themselves...

I think ONE of those is a Logical Explanation to WHO our Prometheus Engineers are.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Aug-19-2019 8:33 AM

Regarding the other City!

Its Hard to make out really, it could look like the Remnants of a Ancient City they are Faint... and if so it could be Remains of a Ancient now Derelict City

What HAPPENED? 

It does-not have to mean Destruction, it could be as the Engineers are Ancient and Technology/Architecture Advances, they Developed a New Site for a City as they Evolved.... and then Abandoned the Old City.  So the Ancient City is lost just as Many were on Earth.

However.....  some of these Lines do look like Engineer Cuneiform and maybe they could be like the Nazca Lines

I would say either could be a Logical Explanation.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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