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How would you like your Alien?

How would you like your Alien?

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I Moon Girl

Aug-17-2017 7:09 PM

The question is...

Would you have wanted the prequels to come out after the original, 1979 Alien or would you want the prequels to come out as they did, after Alien: Resurrection?

If I remember right, the reason Ridley Scott did not get to do his planned prequels after Alien was that Fox wanted to go forward with the Xenomorph, but Ridley thought the "beast was cooked" and that we needed to figure out and learn about the dead alien in the chair.

I'm going to break the rules to my own question here.  I think we should've gotten Aliens after Alien, but after that, it should've went to prequels.  Prometheus has stunning visuals and that may have not been there if it came out in the 80's, or at least not done near as well.  That is one thing I like about Prometheus.  Yet, I think if any writer or producer wanted to, they could've created stunning visuals in a later Alien franchise movie.

It's sad that the Alien franchise fans had to wait till 2012 to learn what could possibly be in the derelict chair and to start speculating why.  The original Alien is left incomplete to me without a little story about how the spacecraft got to LV-426.  How the ship got to LV-426 is even more important after watching Aliens.  Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection pretty much cut themselves off from the past Alien franchise stories.  Plus, to me, the prequels are great stories which keep interest in the 1979 Alien story.  I think the Alien franchise wouldn't gotten more love if the prequels came out in the 80's and possibly the 90's. 

Aliens provides a good contrast between Alien and itself and builds on the original Alien movie.  Aliens would HAVE TO BE MADE someday, whether it was after Alien or later.  The Alien3 story just seems forced into the franchise.

The hard part is picking up with Ripley and her being older if the prequels came out before Alien3.  Although, this would could provide a much better intro into the Alien3 story than what it currently is.  I mean, where did that egg come from.  Plus, there would have to be two of them too!  Alien3 needs a better intro.  That's my only complaint about it.

So, the Alien prequels would provide the good intro Alien3 needs while the story basically stays the same.  Then, Alien: Resurrection follows as it does today.

Still, if Prometheus didn't haven't the stunning CGI, I think it would have amazing, gritty, and truthful backgrounds like in Aliens and Alien3.  So, I think I could part with the stunning CGI then.  I loved the environments in Alien3 and Aliens.  I'm sure the CGI wouldn't been done fantastically with that kind of technology in the 80's.

Does anybody else wish the Alien franchise had a different release day order?  

I'm a newcomer to the Alien franchise since I remember watching Alien on TV as a little kid and my parents telling me that this is to scary for me to watch.  Eventually they let me watch it and I remember it terrified me in parts, but I loved the Xeno for what it was.  Okay, that's enough personal talk.

Anyone?

 

 

19 Responses to How would you like your Alien?

dk

Aug-17-2017 7:17 PM

I always thought it would be interesting to see the franchise carry on after Resurrection.

dk

Aug-17-2017 7:32 PM

 I Moon Girl I would be fine with no prequels. TBH, it seems like prequels come out when people can't figure out how to move forward. I like AC, but I am also perfectly fine with leaving the SJ and how it all started to remain a mystery. This has been a pretty hot topic on this forum in the past.

joylitt

Aug-17-2017 7:39 PM

Very good post. It would be interesting to see what a prequel would have looked like in the early 90's. However, the special effects back then looked pretty ugly, even worse than in the 80's. The cgi in Prometheus doesn't bother me at all. It is beautifully done. Some people think the engineers are cgi but they are not. Thematically, those prequels would have been kinda problematic in my opinion. At that point, Dan O'Bannon was doing B movies like The Resurrected, so I'm not sure if he was at the top of his game.... Maybe if they had hired William Gibson to imagine a prequel instead of Alien 3.

I Moon Girl

Aug-17-2017 7:40 PM

"it seems like prequels come out when people can't figure out how to move forward"

I agree with you one that.

I see Ridley Scott is getting his chance to do the prequels because once Fox moves forward after Alien: Resurrection, Ripley would most likely be dead along with the original stories.  I feel like Fox is giving Ripley a chance to do his prequels because he always wanted to do them, because he's getting old, he shows that he likes the Alien story, and to just let him wrap up the Alien franchise story as we know it.

Once we move past Alien: Resurrection, I see no real return to the previous original four.  There might be clues left in the future Alien franchise movies which would take place after Alien: Resurrection, but I'm not expecting much.  Still, who knows what they come up with?  Honestly though, I think the story of Ripley is over.  If they keep dragging her into the franchise, then I think the franchise is over.  I'm expecting something fresh with the future Alien sequels, which Fox recently announced they are going to make.

I Moon Girl

Aug-17-2017 7:43 PM

@joylitt

I think if the prequels were done in the 80's, there really wouldn't be any CGI.  There may be some conflicting scenes, like the one where the Engineers in suits are running, but those don't have to look good.  There are some stunning visuals in the control room that David started activating, so I think those would be left out along with some amazing environment CGI.  I'm not worried about the environment CGI, since good sets and filming locations could help.  I love the environments in Alien3, even though they aren't showed much.  Aliens environments look good to, but they are kind of empty.

joylitt

Aug-17-2017 7:45 PM

On the other hand, I think if the prequels were released back then and fizzled at the box office, probably they would have brought back Ripley in the same way they want to do it now, and the challenge of bringing back the franchise to its previous glory probably would have produced much better versions of Aliens 3 and Alien Resurrection.

Thombach

Aug-17-2017 8:02 PM

Prequels shmequels. I would like my Alien medium rare, with a little blood still dripping. Face Hugger eggs on the side, scrambled!

dk

Aug-17-2017 8:06 PM

I Moon Girl After Resurrection, Riplry could have disappeared somehow and Call could have continued on- possibly linking up with the Blade Runner universe. I am not accounting for time lines though.

cuponator3000

Aug-17-2017 8:41 PM

An interesting thought... I think it would have worked out well if Scott was able to make some prequels after Alien. From there, the world building in Scott's vision would have been easier to do. Right now they seem to have an ever-changing canon and world. Or, that's what we have seen so far. Having to build his world into the franchise that has three sequels with different directors that actually spans 200-some years is hard to do. It has been mentioned many-a-times on the forum that it is sort of silly that the company is still going after the Xeno when the black goo is in play now (I'm not so sure it is silly, but hey). Funnily enough, it doesn't seem that Ridley is really worried about that... He hasn't really referenced anything that far into the future yet (I think), so I have no clue what that is going to mean to the existing canon.

Let's not forget that Fox has some official canon (I think they established it around the time of Prometheus' release?? I'm not sure) with books and two video games included. 

So yes, I think the prequel escapade would have done everyone some good (who knows how well they would have been received though) directly after Alien was made. From there, the franchise could have gone sort of the route it did (different directors, writers everytime and all that jazz.)

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Timmy the ultramorph

Aug-17-2017 9:00 PM

 

dk one thing that i thought about the blade runner and alien timeline is that after the blade runner movies, the world gets like nuked or something and people go into sort of a dark age of technology. that is why the androids in alien are less advanced.

another way is that mabye after an android revolution, the companys decided to create them so they could be more easily defined(white blood) and have programming to make them more obedient.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

dk

Aug-17-2017 9:09 PM

Timmy the ultramorph It has been years since seeing Blade Runner. Leaving time lines aside, Call was a very advanced android and told a story of some sort of rebellion among androids. It seems those could link up somehow. Even if RS isn't around to do it, his son could- I think he directed the Last Supper?

Timmy the ultramorph

Aug-17-2017 9:45 PM

sounds good.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

Timmy the ultramorph

Aug-17-2017 9:47 PM

I once had a fan fiction idea that I never ended up writing thta actually connected the two timelines. its main charector was young peter weyland duirng and after a nucullar fallout between a race of replicants and the last humans on earth.

food ain't that bad! - Parker

BigDave

Aug-18-2017 5:39 AM

I would have not made Alien Resurrection, and i would have gone about to tackle the Prequels.

If i was FOX i would have contacted Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon and HR Giger and got them to Brain Storm where each would have liked to explored a Prequel that deals with the Space Jockey Race, the Xenomorph Origin etc.

Even if RS would not work on Directing i would have taken the Influence from what these 3 guys had on the subject so you had a broad Synopsis/Plan of Ideas and then get someone in to work on a Draft/Story that takes them on board.

Even if AR was made... i would certainly had explored a Prequel instead of doing the AVP movie..

But as Alien Resurrection had not gone down to well, it appeared FOX was not so keen on doing a Sequel and maybe lacked Confidence in how to tackle a Prequel that does not have Ripley.... or maybe never even once gave a Prequel consideration.

They saw the AVP Games and Comics as very interesting Market and decided that doing a Movie on these would be the way to go instead of returning to the Alien Franchise.

This proved to be a mistake of sorts.... mainly due to the Time-Line the AVP movie was set in and some of its Plot

 

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daliens

Aug-18-2017 7:54 AM

I like it like this

http://www.figures.com/2017/01/13/photo-review-kotobukiya-alien-big-chap-artfx-statue/

I just could not resist to buy this beauty.

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ali81

Aug-18-2017 8:23 AM

I think the natural evolution was to finish off the series first so id have alien, aliens, alien3 then the prequel. ripley was still alive after aliens and the series was following her story. people may have wanted a different film than what we got but apart from that they needed imo to finish off her story. if resurrection had never taken place I don't think many would have screemed for another film with ripley so the prequel trilogy could have fitted in nicely after alien3

dk

Aug-18-2017 2:02 PM

daliens Nice! I did not see a price on that.

daliens

Aug-19-2017 3:13 AM

dk price is kind of rip off but I have indulged myself on my birthday.

And it's a real beauty and I prefer the statue like pose instead of the flexible models from neca.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/ol/B01CO5THKW/ref=psdc_olp_2514596011_a0_B01CO5THKW?ie=UTF8&condition=all

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