Posted Aug-13-2017 7:45 AM
I recently replied to a comment that got me thinking. does the neomorph procreate or is it just simply the means of wiping a planet of fauna? I personally don't believe the neomorph would be able to spawn offspring by any method as I don't see the logic in that. it has been designed as a weapon and im sure the designers didn't really want such a hostile weapon lingering about long enough to become a threat to themselves nor do I see the engineers wanting to leave an entire planet in such a state that they couldn't return to so id guess they would have developed a countermeasure for the black goo?
what do u guys think? can the neomorph reproduce? have u heard or read of any material that suggests they can or cant?
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The Neomorphs probably do breed, in a similar way to Xenomorphs. Possibly using a Queen, or by "egg-morphing". Obviously Neomorph "eggs" look like those fungal egg sacs from which the insect-like spores emerge from. Those spores, are like the facehugger stage of the Xenomorph. I also think of the Deacon creature as another kind of Neomorph, birthed from an Engineer of course. Because its first life stage was Holloway's trilobite, I think Deacon eggs would also hatch into trilobites, which would then continue the life cycle. If the Xenomorph has a life cycle, there is no reason that the Deacon and Neomorphs won't have their own cycle.
but the fungal egg sacks were the result of the black mutagen, not the neomorph. does it make sense to have the neomorph breed? if the engineers had later plans for the planet, why have a dangerous organism spread that they now have to deal with? the spores created by the goo produce the neomorph. as david states it lays dormant waiting for a host. is only creates enough neomorphs to wipe out what life forms are present then goes dormant again. wouldn't be a wise design to have the neomorph hanging about especially if ur intent is to wipe out all life. that's my theory anyway
@ali81 The Xenomorph eggs were also the results of the mutagen (effecting Shaw), but they are known to be the start of the Xenomorph life cycle. The "dangerous organisms" would die out anyway, once all life on the planet had been killed and eaten. I don't know where you get the idea of the goo "only creates enough neomorphs to wipe out what life forms are present". You appear to have totally made that up yourself. Please stick to known truths in your arguments.
The life cycles we know so far -
Black goo + Human male = Trilobite + Host = Deacon
Black goo + Human female (+ Neomorph DNA) = Facehugger + Host = Xenomorph
Black goo + Fungus = Insect-like spores + Host = Neomorph
Black goo + Worms = Giant worms + Host = Unknown
It only makes sense that all these cycles continue somehow.
the trilobite required an infected male to mate with a female, surely not something the engineers took into account when designing the weapon.
what im saying is the neomorph is a genetically engineered 'fallout' of the weaponised goo. its initial 'detonation' designed to kill en mass a localised population and then the 'fallout' takes care of the rest. if you had designed a weapon, would you design it that the fallout remains and you cant return to repopulate the area? I certainly wouldn't as theres no logic to that imo. id take all steps to ensure as little chance of any threat to myself so id add fail safes such as a limited life span to the neomorph and also a reverse pathogen for the goo. id return some years after the goo had been deployed, knowing the neomorphs had died out then that left me with making the spores inert, that way I could leave the planet habitable
and what exactly did I make up? the evidence is right the ion AC for u to see. the neomorph did NOT create the spores that infect the crew. the goo created them. and where did u see the neomorph eggs that 'obviously' look like the fungal egg sacs the spores came from? please share the link as I 'obviously' missed that in the film
There is no evidence that the trilobite requires a female to gestate in. If Holloway didn't have sex with her, it could simply have burst out of him alone. But, what are you trying to argue exactly? Engineers designed the black goo to wipe out ecosystems. They drop the black goo bombs, the bombs mutate life forms and lead to neomorphs being born. We know xenomorphs have a life cycle involving a Queen (and/or eggmorphing). Seeing as xenomorphs are the result of the black goo as well....why is it hard to imagine that neomorphs also have a similar life cycle to the xenomorph? It simply is not an issue for the engineers. Once all life has been destroyed by goo and the neomorphs, the neomorphs will no longer have food to eat and will just die out naturally. It does not matter that the "fallout" might last a while, Engineers have evolutionary plans that span BILLIONS of years. They don't mind playing the waiting game. I suggest that Engineers are basically immortal, unless something directly kills them. They have probably conquered "old age" related death. Time is on their side.
See those fungal egg sacs..as mutated fungal eggs, just as the xenomorph eggs are mutated Shaw eggs. Xenomorph eggs are also laid by xenomorph Queens. Thus we can logically conclude that neomorph Queens can birth fungal egg sacs, to release more insect spore parasites, to continue her life cycle.
the point of my theory that im suggesting is that when the engineers created their weapon is that would it make sense to give the neomorph the ability to procreate on it own. the black goo spores along with the host creates the neomorph when required so would be required for the neomorph to be able to reproduce itself. if a neomorph got off the planet and got onto a world the engineers didn't want culled, there would be direct threat to them if it could procreate on its own, thus becoming a threat to them directly. when engineering the weapon and removing the ability for the neomorph to do this on its own limits any contamination on other worlds which is a threat the xenomorph has as it has it own reproduction cycle. its not hard to accept if the neomorph does have this ability, im just looking at it from the perspective that it is a weapon and surely the engineers would want to limit the level of threat the creature poses to simply a killing machine but one that would die out on its own if it got out of the desired area
What do you mean "Black goo spores"? Those spores are tiny insect things that come from mutated fungus. They don't come straight from the black goo. By the way, The engineers designed the black goo which always leads to some kind of neomorph or xenomorph being spawned. This same black goo led to the xenomorph *which has a life cycle!*. Was it different goo that led to the neomorphs? Nope. Same goo. Thus I would say - Same goo, same design, same life cycle. *Shrugs.* How would the neomorphs get "off the planet"? I think the engineers have a big enough masterplan to stop that happening lol. You could also ask, what if the black goo got off the planet somehow..smuggled perhaps? I've no idea what you are arguing there, but anyway.
if it is true that RS is going down the route that david is responsible for the xenomorph, then it makes sense for it to have a reproductive life cycle as his motives behind its creation is the perfect organism. the motives behind the engineers creating the goo was it to be a weapon. just because the deacon and xenomorph have reproductive cycles doesn't mean the neomorph has to. the neomorph is a desired result and part of a weapon. whats hard to think that maybe when designing it, the engineers would want to limit any threat to themselves and removed the neomorphs ability to reproduce. also given that the egg sacs do that process already it wouldn't be necessary for the neomorph to reproduce on its own.
its not an argument simply a theory which u obviously are not willing to even entertain, which is fine with me. im completely open to the neomorph having a reproductive cycle but looking at it from a weapon perspective it wouldn't be necessary. I accept all forms of theories and opinions, which apparently u do not but anyway.
Dude, David didn't make the xenomorph from scratch. The "Advent" extended scenes make it clear that he infected Shaw with the black goo, then tweaked the result (probably her mutated egg cells) by adding neomorph DNA, using the black goo as a catalyst. How would that add a life cycle to the xenomorph? David was adding various neomorph DNA to "tweak" the resulting creature for more "aggression" as he puts it, not to add a life cycle. It seems obvious that the life cycle is built in to the black goo design already. You say "it wouldn't be necessary for the neomorph to reproduce on its own.", Why not? If there is some life left that didn't get infected by the black goo, it would be eaten by the ever increasing population of neomorphs. Also remember, to create a neomorph, you must kill another organism, thus speeding up the death process for all (none plant) life. The Engineers would just wait a few years (10 years in the case of David dropping the goo) for all fauna to be exterminated, all the neomorphs would die out anyway from starvation, thus no more threat to them. Engineers play a long long game. They don't need quick solutions for anything.
And no..I'm not willing to entertain the idea of the neomorph having no life cycle, as that would not fit with what we know about their close related cousins the xenomorphs. It would not make any sense. Unless RS comes out and plain says "They don't have a life cycle", then I will just use logic and accept that they do.
all I read was 'And no..I'm not willing to entertain the idea of the neomorph having no life cycle' so impossible to have any form of adult civilised conversation
I can have adult, civilized conversations based on logic and evidence. You bring neither logic nor evidence to the table, but good ideas none the less. If you think like an engineer, rather than a human and you will see that they would have different ideas and solutions to us humans, with our short term goals, and short life spans.
What's the weather doing?
sunny for a change
Would engineers sunbathe? Would it burn their epic white skin? Are there black engineers? Could neomorphs also get sunburnt? Would some nice engineer chase after all the neomorphs with some factor 50 suntan lotion and rub them all up..to keep the masterplan in action? New topics, new thinking.
hhhmmm interesting question. an engineer with a sense of humour drawing a representation of a male reproductive organ on the back of a sunbathing neomorph lol
would depend I would imagine on the make up of their skin over the course of millions of years. ud think their skin would naturally would burn with the radiation of the sun but may just take a lot more to have a tanning affect on them than it does for humans
They must coat their entire ships in factor 24234234 suntan lotion. Maybe they're a race of Michael Jacksons. All secretly black dudes, but whited up their skin in the 90s cuz Jackson did it. Or maybe Michael Jackson was an engineer. Another reason why they want to kill us, for accusing him of fiddling with little boys. All possible.
lol hhhmmm topic I aint touching with a barge pole but anyway lol
yea if the ships r organic theyl need a pretty high factor aswell. or maybe they were originally the same colour as the engineers thousands of years ago lol
ali81 Cadavar Spore's I reckon.
When a neomorph dies its bodies breaks out in new spore pods rendering any environment it is killed potentially ever more dangerous. Every time a neomorph dies opens the door for a host of new ones!
Possible, but so long as that is your "reckon", not the evidenced truth.
Yog Sothoth fair call, my comment was rather half-arsed :P
However, i offer no evidenced truth, just my idea which would offer a significant and exciting new difference to the classic Xenomorph life-cycle that suits the rapid propagation, gestation period and growth of the Neomorph.
To elaborate: the motes/ spore pods that the Neomorph transmit themselves from allow for a much rapid deployment of neomorph individuals than the singular egg/host trait of the Xeno. Especially if the spores con infect multiple hosts.
If a neomorph was able to spawn spore pods upon its dead body as its primary vector of reproduction it allows the Neomorph to spread like a weed, taking seed wherever it falls until its has established itself in an ecosystem.
eg if the neomorph is able to infiltrate a base, ship, town, city etc where it dies, it starts a new infestation spot.
Every time they get a foothold, their prey lose ground as every Neomorph killed potentially breeds even more.
iraptu, it is an interesting and chilling theory. does anyone know if dark horse are going to be coming out with anything post covenant that could show this? they have done awesome work writing and illustrating the alien universe in the past and have done some brilliant things with theories that haven't been shown on screen and id like to see something like this.
though im going to stick with my original theory, simply from a weaponised perspective that it may not be required for the neomorph to reproduce but I like all the ideas
Thanks ali81 :)
BigDave posted a very interesting comment on another thread that may lend credence to your argument.
The Spores i assumed are the result of the Black Goo infecting some type of Fungi, we see the Crashed Juggernaught had crashed up the side of the mountain and scrapped inside some, dirt and other debris from the Mountain... The Mountain has a Stream running down it and the Juggernaught has crashed over this, and so parts of the water from the stream is flowing over the Juggernaught and leaking inside, while some is flowing under the Juggernaught.
This stream works its way all the way down to the stream Bed.
Ledwood was infected by stepping on a Spore that was by the side of the Stream, where naturally by the side of streams we get various kinds of Growth, which include Moss/Algae and indeed Spores/Fungi which happens on Earth too.
So i assumed some Black Goo infected the Water which then infected any Spore/Fungi/Mold growing near by the Water to then Evolve into the Spores.
Essentially the crashed Juggernaut leaked black goo (perhaps some urns left over from his bombing run that were still "armed") into the waterfall stream.
The neighbouring fungal spores mutated to create the neomorph spores. The black goo appears to be a rapid evolution mutagen Weaponised
I read the control mechanism in the xenomorph is a short lifespan of only days Yog Sothoth.
I theorized that the hammerpede mutations we saw in Prometheus were more like a neomorph than anything we had seen yet.
"Black goo + Worms = Giant worms + Host = Unknown"
As to the above statement...I haven't seen any attempt at reproduction from the neomorph but I have seen an attempt to shred a human as quickly as possible (Millburn and Rosenthal).
The below organism symphony is a little harder to explain.
Great topic ali81.
cheers guys. ingeneiro, the neomorph and hammerpede def look to have a lot of the same charcteristics such as texture, skin colour etc but I wonder, how come the hammerpede has acidic blood yet the neomorph doesn't?
Did we see any melting of the floor when Captain Oram showed David 8 how impressed he was with the neomorph in the room where Rosenthal was killed?
I know we did see the floor melt when they tried to get the facehugger from off of Lope but I couldn't remember if melting was visible from killing the neomorph in the room where Oram shot it.
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