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A Reflective Review (now the dust has settled): How 'Bad' was AC, really?!

A Reflective Review (now the dust has settled):  How 'Bad' was AC, really?!

Deep Space

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Posted Aug-02-2017 10:55 AM

Hi folks,

Not posted in a while, busy working and raising a mini-me, but did get chance to watch AC again the other day.

It's funny, having taken a break from bordering neurotic nerdishness and analysing every detail it was good to just switch off and watch a movie for its own sake.

First off, AC is a good film.  It is!  It looks amazing, is well acted and is broad in its scope.  A sci-fi lovers dream, no? ;)

I think part of the problem with how it was received was that, myself included, folk had already made up their minds about the film they wanted to see.  (I like whisky and often when I try a new one that gets rave reviews I'm disappointed; yet when I give it some time and come back to it find it's actually pretty good - just not what I expected!)

I'm going to buck the trend a little and pick out why I think it was pretty good:

If you're not a self-confessed geek or fan boy, but more of a casual fan, I think it does well at hinting at the xeno origin and teases about the engineers even further without giving too much away or making obvious connections.  Whilst I wanted more in this regard, it sets up the next film(s) nicely and you would think we will see engineers first hand, so to speak, in Awakening.  And when we do, due to AC's robotic meddling, no doubt we will be on an express elevator to hell . . . lol

The pods and eggs seen in AC also are well done and viable ways of infection.  What I noticed more 2nd time was that the spores are everywhere.  It's just luck, and that they mostly follow in the wake of the downed JN, that they don't all get infected immediately.

There is still lots left open and in some ways it is a fitting sibling to the original as it leaves us in a dark place with many, many more questions.

Yes, I saw the 'twist' coming 3 years ago ;) but still, for all that the plot is OK and I saw much more of the characters togetherness on 2nd viewing, which RS has to take credit for.

Had this not been  ALIEN film I think it would have been received much better i.e. it was critiqued for what it wasn't not for what it was, imo.

My initial rating (sad I know) was 7.9 iirc.  I will stand by that.

How have other people felt watching it again or after an absence?  Have your views or appreciation changed?

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Timmy the ultramorph

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Posted Aug-02-2017 10:58 AM

 I enjoyed alien covenant a lot. it was a bit predictible and was way to short though. 8/10

food ain't that bad! - Parker

chli

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Posted Aug-02-2017 11:25 AM

Yes, I agree with you, Deep Space. It wasn't that bad and I look forward to the blu-ray release and extended/deleted scenes. There seem to be two big areas that RS wants to discuss in these films:

1. Where do we come from? Who created us and why? This was to some extent dealt with in Prometheus and will probably be back in focus in the sequel?

2. AI (artificial intelligence): What if synthetics surpass us (in everything)? What if they develop feelings? What if they develop a free will? What if they become dangerous? This was to a large extent the focus in Alien: Covenant.

I believe that Stephen Hawking has warned us from contacting extra terrestrial beings as well as the dangers of AI? AI evolve much faster than humans . . .

Starlogger

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Posted Aug-02-2017 11:27 AM

Can we put the reviews in the reviews section, mods?

sherris

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Posted Aug-02-2017 11:45 AM

Walking out of A:C i gave it a 6.5 or a 7/10.

After many watches i have upped it to an 8/10

The lack of answers caused an issue for me but i am over that now.

Put A:C against any recent standalone action flick and it fares very nicely i think

 

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dk

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Posted Aug-02-2017 12:03 PM

There is a sticky for reviews; however, this is a look back after the dust has settled. Point taken Starlogger but I will leave it unless another mod wants to move it.

I imagine we will see another wave of reviews when the DVD is released.

Jay Johns

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Posted Aug-02-2017 1:25 PM

I also thought it was a good movie. I just felt that too much was cut out of the movie. When the blu ray was announced and I saw all the deleted scenes it made sence. Those scenes probably should have been left in.

BigDave

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Posted Aug-03-2017 4:59 PM

I think the movie will grow on people the more they see it..

I think a lot of Problems are a large number of fans had certain expectations that lead to disappointment in how their expectations was handled.

These Expectations and Disappointments vary person to person because each person has a different view on what they like about the Franchise, some Prometheus haters, found AC was spoiled by   David and references to Prometheus.. Some Prometheus Fans may have felt the way those parts was handled was a massive let down.

Some Fans are disappointed in the lack of Action, and Queens etc lol

I am sure some Alien Purest would still be upset at David creating the Xenomorph, and the Quick Gestation and Growth Rate and also the New Chest Buster Design.

So i think for a lot of people, they expected the movie to be something it never quite delivered on, as far as their expectations and so maybe we are just expecting the Alien Movie we individually wanted.

I think once we let go of these expectations and watch the movie for what THEY  FOX/RS wanted to show, then i think it maybe wont seem so bad.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Thoughts_Dreams

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13

Posted Aug-08-2017 1:08 AM

The landscapes/visuals are great it is just that the characters lack in how they were written. I don’t think that I was even disappointed with the surroundings even in Alien Resurrection. AR as many problems but the surroundings are not one of them IMO.

 

Compared to Prometheus the characters were better, at least they didn’t annoy me. Oram, David and Walter were the only ones that I got some idea about how they were as persons. Hopefully we will get better characters the next time. Look at it this way, they were better than in Prometheus so if it goes well we will be given even better characters the next time.

 

Unfortunately, it was too slow, so that is a down-side. This is something that I haven’t experienced in another Alien movie this far. Having said this, action and gore are not guarantees that a movie will be good otherwise AR would have been very good. Another thing was that it focused too much on AI at the expense on human characters even though I enjoyed seeing the differences between David and Walter. My opinion on this hasn’t changed even though it was a while since I watched it.

 

It was better than Prometheus, it could have been better but at least it is good. AC is an improvement compared to Prometheus but it is far from Alien or Alien 3.

 

I watched it some times in the movie theater and it got better the more times that I watched it. Maybe I will get it when they release it on Blu-ray.

A L I E N 4 2 6

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Posted Aug-08-2017 8:43 AM

I like to view these prequels as a slow unraveling of mysteries. Prometheus provided us the answers to who created us and how, but hinted that the Engineers are more than we initially thought as is their method of creation:the Pathogen, their way of "cleansing" worlds: Deacons (Engineer Neomorphs) and Trilobites, and their way of whiling out their creations that had gone wrong. Alien: Covenant, then more insights on the Pathogen, it's true nature, the hybrid forms that it creates (Neomorphs and Deacons), and the efforts to "perfect" these forms by an AI gone mad from fiddling with black goo beginning in Prometheus. 

 

For the third installment, I think we will finally he let in on everything. The full picture will be revealed, and I think that the series will be complete. Even now, I find Prometheus and Alien: Covenant to be great together! Alone they are good, but together, great! Much like series like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, you can't just sit down and watch one. Once you watch one, you need to watch the rest, each one clearing up a little more of the story of the last. That's the true beauty of a trilogy or series. 

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Aug-08-2017 10:44 AM

I've said this many times before but I felt A:C was a love letter to the franchise as it encapsulated everything thus far. It was beautiful and David is the best villain lol Like you said, I think some wanted to see a different film and wasn't expecting it to be so dark (which I loved). They also want all the answers but then that would defeat the allure of the prequels wouldn't it? The complaints about the crew though are the dumbest I've ever seen. 'Why didn't they wear helmets?!' Mu/Th/Ur scanned the atmosphere and said it was safer than their destination and Earth, the planet even had the same flora and possibly fauna. 'dumb scientists made dumb decisions', you would too if your worst nightmare came to be and only three out of 11 were actually scientists. 'Why'd Oram listen to David' He didn't necessarily see David as a threat and he said they were safe. After the Neomorph attack on Rosenthal he demanded David for answers and he gave them to him.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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May 19th, 2017

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Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

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