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Should Scott Show Us a Heroine Again?

Ati

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Posted Jul-31-2017 3:45 PM

You want to meet a female protagonist again or you think it is time to meet a hero in the Alien Covenant sequel?

What do you think?

Olga Kurylenko or Tom Hiddleston?

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Ati

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Posted Jul-31-2017 3:47 PM

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Jul-31-2017 3:54 PM

Olga Kurylenko is pretty hot lol We should get another heroine. Daniels, imo, shouldn't survive the trip to Awakening. David is the big bad now and it'll look weak if he lets her escape. A scarier antagonist is the one who succeeds.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

Ati

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Posted Jul-31-2017 3:59 PM

I want Olga... and Tom as well. :)

VivisectedEngineer

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Posted Jul-31-2017 4:22 PM

I'm fine with a hero or heroine as long as the character is well developed and well acted.

@ Lawrence of Arabia

You don't want Daniels to survive!? I'm shocked! I mean...I can see your point but...it's just hard for me to contemplate! I was never so attached to Shaw, I guess if Daniels dies before Awakening I'll finally understand how all the Shaw fans felt!

Ok! Trying to keep an open mind and no expectations...

But...Daniels' demise can't be exactly like Shaw's. So, how do you think she'll perish and how will the audience learn of her passing??

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Jul-31-2017 4:38 PM

@VivisectedEngineer I don't want Daniels to die XD She was a great character and Waterson is fine as hell but if David is going to be taken as a serious threat I think she shouldn't survive. I'm not sure how I would imagine it. It might be the same as Shaw's. I don't think they'll keep us in suspense her death though, maybe they'll show us in an intro?

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

VivisectedEngineer

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Posted Jul-31-2017 4:40 PM

OMG Lawrence of Arabia , all I can think is...poor Walter! He'll be crushed when/if he finds out!

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Jul-31-2017 4:58 PM

That's if Walter survives VivisectedEngineer :P Let the anxiety begin!

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

VivisectedEngineer

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Posted Jul-31-2017 5:14 PM

@Lawrence of Arabia

T_T Aaaah! Alright, well... This is a horror film after all, let's make things as horrifying as possible!

Walter needs to survive at least long enough to learn of Daniels' fate. Then he can meet some grim end.

(Or maybe, he can be the victim of the scene I suggested to ali81 in another thread: he can be irrevocably lost in the vacuum of space for the rest of his unnaturally long existence.

As he drifts off into the void he should see that his attempt to lure the xeno out the airlock has failed and everyone on board the ship is doomed.)

Starlogger

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Posted Jul-31-2017 5:45 PM

I LOVE the female form, don't get me wrong...but, is there anything wrong with a hero? Why do we always HAVE to go to a heroine? Is there some inner guilt? Really...what is it that drives this?

Lawrence of Arabia

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Posted Jul-31-2017 5:51 PM

Starlogger You gay af lmao I joke. I'm pretty sure it has to do with tradition. Alien (Ripley) has always been an empowering role model for women and it has become a trope of the franchise. I'm up for change but I feel the protagonist should stay a woman, which is why I'm cool with David being the pro/antagonist of these prequels. He's the main character but he isn't Ripley-masculine, you know? lol

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

BigDave

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Posted Jul-31-2017 6:45 PM

Well they have written Daniels Character into a Corner with how they handled the Ending....

They cant go the route that she Survives, i think maybe they could have her awoken and David toys with her, the two of them alone.. could make some interesting scenes.. but how much of the movie can they dedicate to this?

We have to look at it from Davids point of view...

If he intends to infect the crew one by one, and amass a army of Eggs then she is no threat, unless she awakes, but then what threat would she be apart from knowing and not having to discover Davids bad intentions and Agenda.

If David intends to pretend to be Walter and take the Colony ship to set up a Colony on Origae-6 or even if Origae-6 already has some Humans from Earth on it.

Then David can not let Daniels Live at all, he would have to take care of her..

What a Scene it would be if David plays Walter and sets up the Colony so he has arrived on Origae-6 the colony is set up say half the size of Hadley's Hope, or enough Modules are down to provide habitat for say 50-100 Colonists and David sabotages the Weapons.

Then he awakens Daniels who then rushes to Warn the others about David... before then she Chest Bursts.... lol

The Colonist with no Weapons as maybe David stores them Safely with a Code, that he latter changes... and so its 50-100 Colonist vs ONE Xenomorph.... maybe TWO if David infects someone else.

But i do think its hard for them now to have Daniels continue, it would be a bit to contrived if they have her escape and survive?

Maybe they could have David awaken and restrain her and torment her, and have her witness Davids plans as he kills of Tennessee, and David offers Daniels a way to live he she becomes his Lover... maybe she could play along with David.

Then she manages to halt Davids plans and destroy his attempt with the Xenomorph and she makes a escape....  David knows it would take a long time for her to contact others and so off David goes to Origae-6 where he uses the other Face Hugger for his Plans..

Then Sets up a Colony as described above, and then unleashes this Xenomorph.

The Help Daniels Finds arrives with her, to discover a Infested Colony and maybe Ship?

THIS ^^^^ kind of Plot is the only way really to offer Daniels a chance of Escape and Return.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Jul-31-2017 6:49 PM

So it will be interesting if RS/FOX introduce a Heroine again, they cant introduce us to one and have their Fate Sealed again... if they kill Daniels off, then having killed off Shaw, then Daniels i cant see how they can bring in another Heroine just to serve this movie and a next which may only be determined by how well this movie goes..

I would not put it past FOX to introduce a Younger Ripley instead... but i hope not..

As for Tom ... i think Hiddleston would play another Android better, maybe even one with hidden Agenda... or indeed some high ranking Official who is one of the incoming parties.

But this seemingly Good Guy, then turns out to be a Burke type Character... Or they could even cover BOTH and have him end up being revealed as not only a Bad Guy... but then also a Android.

I think this kind of role would really suit Tom Hiddleston

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

VivisectedEngineer

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Posted Jul-31-2017 7:19 PM

@BigDave

Ok. Wow wow wow. I love your scenario where David awakens the colonists while pretending to be Walter and then Daniels goes to warn them and gets chestburst.

Ok, I'm slowly starting to warm up to the whole Daniels dies possibility.

BigDave

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Posted Jul-31-2017 8:03 PM

I think the Ending to Covenant was not very well done...

I mean we did not need this for the Audience to then be shown it was David...

All they needed to do was to not give it away that Daniels knows, and ONE Alternative Ending she did not.

Then have David say Sleep Tight dont let the bed Bugs Bite. (as he did) and then when it comes down to the Embryo Scene have him Hold the First one and look at it and say "Big Things have Small Beginnings"

This ^^^^ is how i would have ended it, and ok only Prometheus Fans would get that Quote... but by the Embryo Scene i would assume most viewers would be like... "oh WOW so it was David then?"

This would leave the next movie able to see Walter (David) and Daniels build up a Relationship where Daniels is totally Fooled.... it would seem like a Happy Ending, well a Happy New start.

Then have David start to show deep feelings and Love for Daniels... and reveal at this very Moment the Penny Drops for Daniels.... then reveal a Evil Reaction by David... where Daniels then goes..something like "No David, how.. oh my GOD"

This would allow David to then corner her, and then say..."i told you If we are Kind then this New World could be Kind" and then say.... "but alas Mankind is not Kind, and i simply can not allow your kind to restart out here"

Then maybe..

"do not be fooled to think i am wicked, you could have had it all, a new Start the Cabin the Home you always wanted... You see i know Walter could never Loved you, but i could have and with me and you at the helm we could have raised a New Start, Guided a New Civilization a New Empire"

Daniels could have a reply for David, which Questions what kind of a Perverted Empire this would have been.

Which David would reply with mentioning that He was Created Perfect in every way, he is Superior in Every way, and he was not restricted  by Walters limitations to serve lowly creatures.

David could then also respond, by saying "well now i will have to raise this Empire myself, this new Civilization Perfection, but now i would have to raise our Children without you Daniels"

At this point Daniels would know David was not on about starting a New World for Humans... it would dawn on her the Horrible Agenda David has..

Which David would finally say to her... "alas i told you i was going to do with you what i did with Dr Shaw, and i am a Man of my Word.. well so to speak.... "

Daniels could try and escape, but its no use and David could finish with "its a shame, i know you wanted to settle down on this New World with your Husband, maybe Raise a Family, Sadly with the Lose of your Husband in such similar circumstances to Dr Shaws Fiance, you will never be able to have done so"

Daniels would say Similar Circumstances?

David would continue "they both met a similar fiery end, but with Dr Shaws Holloway it was a cleansing, you see he was infected, but alas this infection is what gave Dr Shaw the One thing she could never have.... A Child... Something you and Jacob had planed but would now never have"

Then he would continue as he forces her up against the wall and grabs a Syringe...   "i am sorry it has to come to this, i hoped you would have Loved me as much as i had loved Dr Shaw, and but alas like you she has no Love to Give, Humans are not worthy of such a Emotion its wasted upon them... but not to worry as i had done with Dr Shaw, i had given her Many Children and so i will do the same for you"

She could try and scream NO... Never..

But then no one else can hear, as David holds his hands against her Mouth and injects her with something to put her to sleep..  Before he finally whispers into her ear...

"now now, go to sleep, when you awake you will give Birth to the First of our Children, my condolences that you will not be able to hold your child in your hands and your only moments look will be into the Eyes of Death...... but if you had loved me, i could have kept you alive  like i did with Dr Shaw"

Its this kind of dialog and dynamic that could have been explored in the next movie, and maybe this would be even more horrific than her trying to Warn the others..

But then we could still have her awaken and be around a few Colonist and then Scream NO... then try and Warn those who she sees around her... before she Chest Bursts....

David would be looking on with a smile, as the witnesses run off...

David then looks upon the Chest Buster and declares.... "you my Child, my Princess are the future of Creation, for I announce myself King David, and you my heir to our Kingdom, now run off and prosper my Child"

But having it that Daniels already knows about David does mean we cant explore such Dialog.... Oh i had more interesting Dialog between David and Shaw in my Canceled Prometheus 2 Project i stopped work on 3 years ago.

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Something Real

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Posted Jul-31-2017 8:50 PM

ATI - Personally, I would enjoy seeing a strong male lead in the next film. :)

cuponator3000

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Posted Jul-31-2017 9:04 PM

Man, I love your most recent post here, BigDave! Something like that could be amazing! 

I do agree that the ending was mishandled. Now, I think it sis chilling as absolute hell! It freaks me out to see that smile and see Daniels trapped, screaming, and falling asleep with that on her mind. It is a GREAT ending, but one that makes the next film tough to start. Without making David look a bit weak, giving Daniels the Shaw treatment, or maybe not making a lot of sense... That's a tall order!

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Spaced-Out

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Posted Aug-01-2017 1:41 AM

Lets just hope we dont get another repeat of what happened from Prometheus to covenant, where we dont see what happens to Daniels fate and it jumps forward to the covenant arriving at origae 6.

I think Daniels needs to survive some how, maybe she could escape and send out a distress.

dk

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Posted Aug-01-2017 1:52 AM

I am fine with either hero or heroine. I lean towards heroine since it has always been that way, but it boils down to good story and cast the audience cares about imo.

[email protected]

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Posted Aug-01-2017 2:08 AM

Spaced-Out would you like see her being experimented upon?

Spaced-Out

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Posted Aug-01-2017 2:19 AM

@[email protected]

I think she should survive somehow else its just a rerun of what happened shaw, or atleast get a flashback of what david does to her.

dk

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Posted Aug-01-2017 2:28 AM

Something Real To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave ;)- Les Claypool, Primus

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Posted Aug-01-2017 7:20 AM

Heroine, if they put a heroe he will probably be a kinde of Rambo at space and nop, I dont want that.

Starlogger

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Posted Aug-01-2017 12:24 PM

@dk, well quoted, sir, well quoted. But, My name is mud.

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Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

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