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ali81

Jul-26-2017 5:03 AM

automated or was there someone piloting the scorpion tailed ship? given that wev been told there was a dust up id say it was piloted but that makes me wonder. iv only seen the film once and not a great copy but doesn't what looks like a hanger open up below? wouldn't the juggernaught just land in the hanger like on lv223 as it seems to open. this would suggest no quarantine or passport check before landing. id maybe suggests the scorpion ship is security. maybe the returning engineer ships were required to relay some codes or make contact with the scorpion ship before it can land but failure to do so would result in the scorpion ship intervening?

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Davefried81

Jul-26-2017 6:12 AM

From sources, the Scorpion ship had fought back on the Juggernaut.  Here is a better question, where are the pilots from the Scorpion after it was shot down?  Past threads have shown the screenshot of the Scorpion crashed near the circle. 

ali81

Jul-26-2017 6:58 AM

a theory is one is posing as michaelangelos david in the lab. the rest could have become hosts for davids earlier experiments or they r quietly sitting in the bowls of davids lab, dormant, waiting for mother

drucea

Jul-26-2017 11:44 AM

I remember reading somewhere that the Juggernaut is automatically disabled or grounded or something when a black goo break out occurs, which is why it was crashed.

Davefried81

Jul-26-2017 11:54 AM

Oh wow, I never thought that the one that is in David's lab could be the one that was in the Scorpion!

sherris

Jul-26-2017 12:03 PM

Me neither.  If it is indeed the Engineer home world (i hope not) then it makes sense it was manned by at least 1.

IF it is just another seeded world or a sacred world whose beings worship The Elders or whoever, then i would say as they only visit once every 500,1000 years (ball park) then it is a long time to sit in a docking ship waiting. So i would say it is not manned in this instance. 

Then we have the "dust up" situation which leans towards a piloted vessel having some altercation with the Jugganaut. Was this a manned defence or was it a containment protocol ?

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Ati

Jul-26-2017 5:09 PM

I love movie scenes showing spaceships docking, but don't forget that you can own the movie on Digital HD from August / on Blu-ray and DVD from August 15.

Enjoy the Covenant, enjoy the docking! :)

BigDave

Jul-26-2017 5:38 PM

I think its all a bit ambiguous i also wonder if those working on the movie put much thought into these things, i missed the crashed Docking Ship in the movie as i only saw it 3 times, and once its out on other Formats than in the Box Office i can then look at pause the scenes.

But someone did post a image of it crashed in the background and indeed their was the comments from the Concept Team mentioning a Dust Up.

The Concept works had some extras ideas, some showed the Hanger was Larger and held at least 4 Juggernauts, and they was put in disabled mode due to the Bombardment as a Safeguard...  This i feel was a bit of a loose end, however it could explain the Juggernaught could be dis-activated and crash as a Safety Protocol is engaged but i fail to see why the Docking Ship would also crash due to this.... Also if there was more Juggernauts then surely David after a period of time could Turn off the Safety Device and Activate those other ships.

So looking at the Movie, it appears the Hanger is just the right size to allow a Juggernaught to Enter and this Hanger Started to Open as the Juggernaught Approached.

I will assume the Hanger either holds One Juggernaught, or that it was empty when the Juggernaught with David/Shaw arrived.

I would assume either the Hanger Auto-detects the Juggernaught or David sends a Signal to Open the Hanger.

I will assume the Docking Ship is Manned to some degree and realise the Hanger has been activated and a Juggernaught is incoming but then maybe they try to communicate with the Juggernaught and do not get a response or one they are satisfied with and so as a Safety Check the Docking Ship moved to Dock with the Juggernaught so that it acted like a Border Security or Immigration/Customs at a Airport.

Who knows if the Juggernaught is then controlled by the Docking Ship, or David moves to dock with it.... i would assume its automated because of Davids Location when the Bombardment happened compared to the Control/Pilot Room on the Juggernaught... unless Shaw was controlling it?

But then why could the Docking Ship not override the Juggernauts Cargo Opening and disable it... This ALAS is just a Plot Device needed to show David Bombarding the Engineers.

Wayne Haagg seemed a bit surprised they used the Mother Ship as he referred to it as, so at some point they may have considered just showing David arriving and the Hanger opening up and then Bombarding the Engineers.  This route would by-pass having to explain why the Mother-ship could not disable the Juggernaught....  if there simply was intended to be no Docking Ship.

But having the Docking Ship does then give us a Few Options as far as being able to Speculate if the Docking Ship Caused the Juggernaut to Crash  (which now seems LIKELY) and it also leaves it open to speculate if David got some Engineer Bodies to Study and Experiment on from the Crashed Ship that Avoided the Bombardment.

The other option for this would be those who made it to the Safety of the Cathedral as they was all trying to enter this place.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jul-26-2017 5:56 PM

As far as the lack of Security...

I assume this and the reaction of the Engineers points to a few things for me..

These Engineers or those who are above them, seed and evolve life on Worlds, but while they teach them knowledge they teach them limited knowledge thus keeping these Humanoid Races at a Technological Level that Earth was at Thousands of years ago.

These beings on Planet 4/Paradise also seem to be kept for the most part at this level of Technology.  For those at the Top of the Hiearchy and their Agenda and who they intrust with their Technology this is a good Safety Procedure.

the Hubris of these beings is they feel that they are so Superior and their creations are in superior that without the Engineers and Hierarchy Help, and knowledge that their created/evolved Humanoid subjects will never evolve to such Technological Levels without the Help of the Engineers.

This is why maybe they are so relaxed, the other reason is that this Planet could be some kind of Gene-Pool the Engineers either use to Seed Worlds from, or they seeded Worlds in the hope to create a Hybrid to Procreate with.

I would therefore ponder that the Juggernauts Original Purpose was merely a more modern version of the Seeding Ships.

Seeding Ship, some Many Hundred Million or more years ago drops off Engineer who takes the Sacrificial Goo to disintegrate himself into particles that contain his DNA and either reform to start building blocks of Evolution or contaminate basic organism to kick start to advanced more than single cell Evolution.

From a Technological Point of view, if you could break down Engineers/Humanoid DNA store the resulting broken down matter into Urns/Jars.   Then Drop these off a Waterfall, then would the same events of Prometheus happen?

I think so, and so it makes more sense to store the broken down Engineer/Humanoid DNA Mutagen in these Canisters rather than rely on a Fresh Sacrifice to break down into this material on a world.

The Engineers can then visit worlds, or even worlds where there is Life of all sorts on them, and drop these Seeding/Evolution Bombs upon them... rather than venture down on the Surface.

I think maybe this was the intention of the Juggernauts, its why the Mural is how it is in Prometheus as something contaminated those Urns to Produce the Fresco Monster which the Engineers then took a liking too and Experimented on and then Sacrificed to use  its DNA in the Urns and not HUMANOID.

If the Juggernauts were originally Seeding Ships that collect Sacrifices who then are broken down and stored into Urns, this explains the whole Hanger and those Statues.

If this was the Purpose of the Juggernauts, then this would explain why the returning Ship was not feared, but welcomed.

It would also explain the lack of defense on that Planet, and also explain why as War-ships does the Juggernauts lack any Offensive and Defensive capabilities.

They would not be needed if these Engineers Seed Worlds to create Life, and sometimes intelligent Life, but keep a eye on them and keep a check on them to maintain they remain Technologically very Ancient.

Any signs of them Advancing and behaving against their wishes, so even as Mankind on Earth was say few hundred years ago... then simply flying over with the Juggernauts which would not need any Defense or Offense to deal with a Primitive culture.

They just drop a Cargo of Engineer/Humanoid DNA and again (if we follow how Prometheus showed us, and Spaights Alien Engineers deft)  just drop those Urns down...

And all Life would get mutated and Re-set but would contain Engineer/Human DNA and so would just be like a Re-set switch.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Ingeniero

Aug-07-2018 7:15 AM

I love the Wayne Haag concept art for the ships (notice the juggernaut in the clouds). The image below tends towards the larger ship's hinge at the middle helps the ship change shape as it rises out of the dock recess.

The docking ship is seen below after the confrontation with David's juggernaut.

BigDave

Aug-07-2018 4:04 PM

Indeed the Concept work shows the Ship leaves the Hangar, which implies the Hanger is Pretty Deep... and Large.

But the actual movie it appears the Docking Ship is too Large for the Hanger.  It certainly makes sense to have some kind of Border Protection and if we Accept the Draft and Novel, that there was more Ships but they was dis-activated, then it could be Logical that the Docking Ship was required to Activate them but after the Crash it was so badly Damaged that it could not be used to Activate the Juggernauts and could not be repaired to do so by David.

If this ship had Engineers on it, then some may have Survived but been Injured so would be easy pickings and NOT infected by the Bombardment for David to experiment on.  Along with those who made it inside the Cathedral.

There is a WHOLE Movie that could be made to what happened between Prometheus to Alien Covenant, that could reveal Experiments, Torture etc.   IF the Contamination lasted Weeks/Months then those Engineers Held up in the Cathedral Dome or Docking Ship would Run Out of Food and Water Eventually, certainly Food.

Emaciated Engineers would be Ripe Pickings... but imagine this HORROR.. there could be Hundreds that where in the Cathedral Dome or made it in time....   Would David Fend off Hundreds of Weak Engineers?  or say 50-100? did it look like he needed/had that many Souls to Experiment with?

What IF some of those Engineers had to Resort to Cannibalism that would be a Shocking Plot to cover.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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