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time travel in the alien universe?

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Timmy the ultramorph

Jul-19-2017 10:14 PM

This topic may seem ridiculous but it makes a little bit of sense.

The theory is that the engineers posses the ability to travel through time. some evidence is that the alien mural in prometheous(above) has a xenomorph looking creature on it, even though the very first known type of xenomorph is the deacon witch was created long after the mural. another peice of evidence is that in the 1979 alien movie, the space jockeyis fossilized like it had bean sitting there for thousands of years. this dosnt fit the timeline ether considering that it was chestbursted and the very first xenomorph chestburster happened only 30 some years before the derilect was discovered. 

now, these could just be continuity errors but I just refuse to belive that. This would be intresting if time travel were avalible in the alien universe but i feel that it might detract from the franchises horror roots. what it could do was make a crossover with alien and terminator possible. they could be in the same universe. remember that in aliens, the company hyberdine was breifly shown. this could be a connection to cyberdine from terminator. I am not nessaserilay saying that that would be a good thing ether. its just a possibility. this probably will never happen but thats just my theory.

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15 Responses to time travel in the alien universe?

123Engineer

Jul-20-2017 4:58 AM

Very interesting topic! I had a while ago the idea that the murals in Prometheus Headroom could be actions that could happen in the future. You remember the creature and the engineer-looking guy. They have to be of some meaning^^ 

George-TheGreek

Jul-20-2017 5:20 AM

Time travel is not implied in the movie, if you mean that at these speeds time bends and passes by slower yes this is a fact. If you run at the speed of light (impossible) and stopped instantly (impossible too) after thousands of Earthly years if you were still alive you would see yourself coming!

ali81

Jul-20-2017 9:05 AM

the xeno in the mural looks more deacon than 1979 xenomorph to me. I wouldn't have time travel in the sense that we see in terminator. I know some have theorised this as how they were going to bridge the alien3 and alien 5 confusion but to me that's just lazy work.

Engineer77

Jul-20-2017 9:50 AM

agree with ali. the xenomorph was created later by David

ali81

Jul-20-2017 10:07 AM

don't get me wrong engineer, I hate the thought that the xeno in alien is davids doing, it destroys the whole derelict scene for me but im afraid I think this is how RS is going to go

Ati

Jul-20-2017 10:22 AM

The xenomorph in the mural is a deacon, however, the mural itself shouldn't be viewed as something important.

ali81

Jul-20-2017 10:26 AM

I think the engineers view the mural as important, it also depicts all stages of the xeno life cycle. it either means the creature in the mural was the original specimen or that the engineers themselves have created a species with the same traits as what david has done but at a much earlier time. its another door of possibility that Prometheus opened that id love to see explored

Ati

Jul-20-2017 10:31 AM

I know we (fans) like jumping onto every piece of info and detail, but believe me, makers of the movie just put it there...

ali81

Jul-20-2017 10:34 AM

u may be right but its there and fans will jump on such things. it creates holes and therefor becomes, imo, bad film making.

Ati

Jul-20-2017 10:52 AM

Yeah, look at the the background image of this site. Did you see the Covenant premiere in UK, I mean the streaming or the events on youtube, etc. Scott and the actors/actresses were standing in front of the wall version of it, it was the background of the photos taken by media people. Is it in the movie? Does it show something from the movie? No. They just use the image as a poster and made a portable 3D marketing background from it. They just put it there behind the important people...

However, it's interesting that there was a green stone in the middle of it. Without doubt, it looked like the mysterious green stone from the mural scene in Prometheus.

ali81

Jul-20-2017 11:01 AM

this poster riled me no end. it gave the impression of something amazing yet for me the whole filmed bombed big time. this poster was nothing but misleading but it was done with a purpose. it was done to put bums on seats which I can accept tho through gritted teeth. the mural meant something as they even have the Prometheus crew make reference to it. if was just something to flash by then I doubt it would have gotten any attention in the movie. the fact that it depicts the full life cycle of the xeno has meaning. but I fear after Prometheus it has become what u say it has. theyv decided just to forget about it and wel probably never get to understand the meaning of the mural and what its importance was

BigDave

Jul-20-2017 6:19 PM

I dont think Time Travel is at play and it would open up the whole Mess of a Terminator kind of Plot... by that as far as constantly going back in time....

Surely the Engineers could just go back prior to the Outbreak or even Creation of Mankind and Undo these events?

The Mural in Prometheus shows us a Deacon like Organism, the Deacon at the end is a off-shoot of this Mural Organism, i think the Mural Deacon's DNA is contained within the Urns.

I think the Engineers encountered a Parasite Many Thousands of years ago, that is maybe via a Punishment or became a Punishment from a Hubris Accident of messing around with the Creation Tool that was the Sacrificial Goo when a contamination had happened... resulting in the Fresco Organism.  The Engineers then experimented on this just as David had been with his experiments on Paradise until the Deacon Mural was the Creation they had Perfected.

The Space Jockey is a tricky one, they appeared to had been going the route of this being a Ancient Event related to the Outbreak or a event indeed connected a few hundred years prior or post.

Things look to be changed now, and so they will have to explain why the Space Jockey looks the way it does, but i think as i have covered for years... the Suits are Bio-Mechanical and Part Organic and i feel the Suits Die, in a way like a Cactus does. Where its once Leathery Rubbery Feel (Green Cactus/Grey Engineer suits) will decay fast to a Lighter, Dried out Carcass.

The only way to tackle Time Travel is how i had mentioned a while ago... a Engineer Elder, intercepts and ends up with a Ship and those Eggs, this Engineer Destroys LV-223 so that Mankind or anyone else can not obtain the Black Goo and all those Horrors and Technology...  The Force of this Event... as massive Blast Tears a Whole in Time/Space where the Elder Engineers Ship travels through and ends up thus Crash Landing on LV-426 back in Time.

The Tear in Space is a One Off Event and not no Technology, so it would be like the Theory that if the LHC goes wrong it could destruct and then open up a Black Hole/Worm Hole etc.

This ^^^^^ could work... but i think they will not explore this and so we have to accept the Space Jockey had been on LV-426 for say 2-7 years prior to Alien.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jul-20-2017 6:22 PM

Regarding the Poster....

Yep what a mess that was... marketing gone wrong, unless they choose to show is this is a upcoming Event, or a Past Event.

It mislead us to think this is what maybe happened to those Engineers, when clearly we see this does not seem to be the case.

There are some reports the Prometheus Mural was the same, it was just a Cool Easter Egg and in NO-Way was intended to be connected at all

Yet the Mural can connect... so its interesting to debate how the Poster could do also.

PS This Poster does fit with some of the clues the Source i had 2.5 years ago had said regarding the Fate of the Engineers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

dk

Jul-20-2017 6:35 PM

Time travel this many movies into the series would be a huge disappointment. It is the magic wand to explain plot holes and seems plain lazy to me. It is a sign the series needs to end or at least not try to lead up to Alien.

BigDave

Jul-20-2017 7:30 PM

Indeed, thats why my idea is the only one i would like to see if they do go this route because it takes care of the LV-223 Plot Hole at the same time and its a One Off Event... a One Way Ticket to LV-426

But ideally i would hope they have other plans... right now its a tricky one because of the Time Line... you see if we assume the Engineers dont turn up right away.. as well if they arrive not long after AC then surely they would intercept David before he gets to Origae-6

I think RS will take us to Origae-6 which means the year December 2111 or early 2112, which means the Covenant to then get to LV-223/426 would surely take a considerable time, which means the Derelict would then have to be on LV-426 for say up to 5 years tops

Unless the Engineers arrive on Origae-6 Post year 2112 and 10 years prior to Alien (And i think this is exactly where we will be).   Then these Engineers end up on LV-426 which surely why would they do that? so they must end up going to or leaving LV-223 at some point in the 10 years prior to Alien.

But they could indeed U-Turn and reveal the Derelict and those Eggs being Ancient, but i feel the Engineers will take a Interest in Davids creations and try to obtain them or even Re-Engineer them and this Hubris leads to the Derelict.

I just hope they dont Trope/Shoe-horn this so that Origae-6 is another Engineer related Outpost... but i guess this could bring about the Alien Covenant Poster ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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