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How to Connect the Prequels to Alien?

How to Connect the Prequels to Alien?

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chli

Jul-19-2017 12:21 AM

There has been many a good discussion about David and the Engineers and who created the Xenomorph. Ridley Scott and Twentieth Century Fox seem to have chosen the route that David created it, or at least perfected it into becoming the horrible creature we all love and fear in Alien.

As you all know, the problem with connecting the premise that David created the creature to Alien is the discrepancy concerning time: The Space Jockey, as well as the Derelict, is ancient. As Dallas puts it as he looks at the Space Jockey:

Dallas: [observing the Space Jockey] Alien life form. Looks like it's been dead a long time. Fossilized. Looks like it's growing out of the chair.

[climbs up for a closer look]

Dallas: Bones are bent outward, like he exploded from inside.

I thought that we could gather the ideas here (many of which have already been scattered around in this forum), and see who comes closest when the connecting film to Alien eventually is made? How will they solve the problem of connection? What’s your guess? :)

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Michelle Johnston

Jul-19-2017 5:00 AM

The flight path

Origae 6 to Earth with a diversion to LV 426 where "The priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him". Leviticus 4 verse 26

The reason for the flight 

Destroy mankind

Why 

For the reasons David gave to Walter on Paradise.

Why is the creature in A L I E N Bio Mechanoid 

Some synthetic elements are in the creation mix which will be referenced in the follow up, where from ..easy. 

Did the Eggs hug the Jockey or was the Jockey already carrying pre flight. 

The Eggs are cargo protected by the Who's laser. There is no Queen in Ridley's universe so they were on board and haven't suddenly been spawned. They remain on landing on LV 426 inert ready for Ridley Scott to put Kane in front of one.

Then how could the pilot take flight without even considering he was infected. He infected himself unknowingly. He had ingested embryo's when leaving Paradise but because the whole symphony is off he made a mistake over how many he ingested. The sealed container within him broke probably during some robust action in the story and evolved unknown to him. That David is off will I am sure be significant just as the ingestion of the embryos in the movie (which like the revelation to Daniels that Walter is David is not in the book). The number of embryos in the book in the containers are three how many did David de gorge in the movie ?

What happened to the A L I E N created from the pilot

like the Deacon it left the story, having fulfilled its function.

How Did Weyland Yutani in particular the science division know about the xxx121.

The intel from their input to the Origae 6 incident will have been transmitted to Muther at some stage. Its not concidence that David/Walter sends a transmission to Earth that not only regularises the mission and puts it back on track but enable the audience to know they are still in the mix with reasons to retain their interest in the colonisation. 

Where Does the Juggernaut come from ?

Some seriously unhappy Engineers who return to Paradise and will find Walters remains.  

BigDave

Jul-19-2017 5:06 AM

Well this is the BIG ONE and i think the Important One, but this has evolved over the course of the last 5 years, i thought the clues and comments all seemed to point to a Ancient Event and maybe the Hammerpedes... but this Theory is now MUTE!

Things could change however... but it does seem David Created the Xenomorph, from the effects of the Black Goo, but they can change this.

Looking at the Engineers we have to ask WHY, so why do they create Life, what was the purpose, and WHY create the Black Goo and how was this obtained.

For me it keeps coming back to Perfection/Creation, we have to ponder the GOD connections,  and ask WHY did God create Adam when he already had the Angels..?  Other Mythos have reasons for Creation too, some have some purpose of replacement for rebellion which the Annunaki Tale covers, where the Igigi were replaced my Mankind to perform the same task for the GODs after the Igigi had Rebelled.   The Biblical Accounts loosely are the same..  GOD had his Angels, but the Angels proved they could rebel against GOD, so Mankind was created... but then we also had rebelled against GOD.

I think this THEME is important.

But then how now do we get to the Space Jockey, i think we need to look at the reason for Creation, and look at why David wants to create too....   The Engineers are Space Gardeners, they Genetically Modify Creations, including themselves no doubt.

What if a rebellious Faction had then been infected with something that leads to the first Xeno-Strain Organism (Prometheus Fresco) these Engineers who maybe could not Procreate  then saw this Event in some Perverted way that they can Give Birth to Life.

So this Faction of Genetic Gardeners, then decide to experiment with this first Xeno-related Encounter in the Pursuit of Perfecting it.  They maybe then saw the Deacon as Perfect and its DNA being more Favored than their own Engineer DNA and thus they wanted to Upgrade Life on Earth with this more Perfect DNA as opposed to Engineers DNA?

This Playing GOD and incorporating the Xeno-Strain was a Great Hubris that leads to their downfall.

But eventually we will get to the Space Jockey, i think this would then lead likely to ONE of TWO Reasons.

1)The Engineers who return to Planet 4, know about LV-223 and the Xeno-strain and their Downfall.... but they discover and are curious as to how David had Perfected a Creation from their Black Goo.... and they Ultimately in the END decide to take these Creations for Study and Experiments but this again proves to be Costly...

2)Or these Engineers are not aware of LV-223 well as far as the Xeno-strain.... but they find out about the Xeno-strain and what befell LV-223 and these Engineers are then intrigued with Davids Creations and decide to take a look at them for Study and thus leading to their Hubris.

so either of these i think will do, and Ultimately will show the Engineers attempt to take some of Davids Eggs someplace, but then suffer the consequences..  This is how i see it NOW

But they could still change it so that the Event is Ancient

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jul-19-2017 5:16 AM

Indeed Michelle... RS has hinted that the Bio-Mechanical Athestic is something we have yet to reach... but we will do before the movies link to ALIEN.

So maybe the Synthetic Element has to come to play.

David is shown with TWO Face Huggers, i feel a lot will have to do with how these Procreate or how David can Experiment with them to extract the DNA and apply it to create more Eggs.

Could the Walter/David had escaped with some Black Goo? I think David had enough on his hands within limited time to do this, but then he had enough time to obtain TWO Face Hugger Embryos.

so David has no Black Goo, and no Juggernaught... he maybe does not need the Black Goo, but there has to be at some point a way Thousands of Eggs end up on a Engineer Ship, and so its from where does this Ship come from thats important.

And it being one of the Ships that arrive at Planet 4 before trying to track down David, is a very likely route that the Derelict came from.

Paradise appears to be far away from LV-223/426 and Origae-6 too and so the Derelict ending up in the Zeta 2 System will no doubt be the Event Covered in Alien Awakenings Sequel and Alien Awakening will no doubt set up this 3rd movie that i feel will have to explore LV-223 to give us more Answers from Prometheus and Tie up the Loose Ends.

LV-223 should be no place where Weyland-Yutani can obtain any Technology or Bio-Weapons by the year 2122.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kethol

Jul-19-2017 6:21 AM

@ "Alien life form. Looks like it's been dead a long time. Fossilized. Looks like it's growing out of the chair"

That is what Dallas said it looked like, but Dallas had no way of knowing the age and they did no tests or took sample to determine anything. These were not scientists. Dallas clearly does not even know what a fossil is. Fossils are formed when an organism becomes covered by sediment soon after death. Most or all of the tissue is replaced with minerals when it is ossified, buried in rocky sediments. The space jockey was in the open and still has decaying skin on it. Decayed, but clearly not a fossil.

The larger issue in connecting the movies that I am interested in seeing solved is the huge discrepancy in the size of the Engineer in the pilot chair in Prometheus vs the dead pilot in Alien. In the first reveal shot from Alien with the small scale crew (children in small scale space suits) the space jockey appears to be roughly 3x the size of an Engineer and 4x the size of a man.

 

Even when comparing a full scale human to the space jockey, just the head alone looks to be 3X the size of the "helmet" we saw in Prometheus. This is clearly a larger creature. Not to mention it looks drastically different to the "suit" we saw in Prometheus. It is almost as if the suit were a facsimile and the one in Alien was the real thing.

 

Kethol

Jul-19-2017 6:34 AM

There is also a huge difference in the way the structure and technology look between the Juggernaut and the derelict ship in Alien. One looks completely biomechanical, the other is just mechanical. Ridley has said these were made a few hundred years apart, but it is a very different looking technology, almost as if these were made by two different races.

 

Ati

Jul-19-2017 7:43 AM

'As you all know, the problem with connecting the premise that David created the creature to Alien is the discrepancy concerning time: The Space Jockey, as well as the Derelict, is ancient.'

chli - I think that the problem you mention does not exist:

’Ridley had decided that the derelict ship in the first Alien was one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had gotten out of control, and the space jockey died in the process. So that ship happened to be as it were a brother to the Juggernaut that we see coming out of the ground in Prometheus. They were made roughly the same period give or take a hundred years.

Rick Stammers as special effects supervisor was made aware it might have come from the same factory as the one in Alien, and there again they are not the same ship, it had less emphasis on the bones and organic shapes that were present in Giger's work. Beyond that there is no real link between the two, but it shows who may have had these capabilities to have dreadful weapons beyond anything we could possibly conceive, as sort of bacteriological drums of awful substance that you can drop on a planet.

Because the Juggernaut was carefully stored away underground, Conor O'Sullivan talked about how the details on the walls and the ground are much finer and better defined because the environment is meant to be in almost mint condition.’

Richard  Stammers (Special Effects Supervisor): The Juggernaut might look like it has come from the same factory as the derelict in Alien, but it is not the same ship. The exterior shape is similar, but it has way more detail; and inside, it had a little less emphasis on bones and organic shapes  than were present in Giger’s work. We had two practical set pieces representing the juggernaut, with doorways again resembling an orifice of questionable nature. (Cinefex 130, p59)

Collider interview with Ridley Scott (2012):

Steve 'Frosty' Weintraub :

Can you talk about approaching how you wanted the technology to look in this movie? Because it’s unclear when it is relative to Alien, but this is more advanced technology that they are using than other people have been in Alien.

Ridley Scott: 

Yeah, but I couldn’t help that, because I didn’t know, did I? (Laughs) For all intents and purposes this is very loosely a prequel, very, and then you say “But how did that ship evolve in the first Alien?” Then I would say “Actually he’s one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had gotten out of control,” because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes out of the ground at the end. They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years, right? Other than that, there’s no real link except it explains, I think, who may have had these capabilities, which are dreadful weapons way beyond anything we could possibly conceive, bacteriological drums of shit that you can drop on a planet. -- (http://collider.com, June 1st 2012)

Michelle Johnston

Jul-19-2017 8:43 AM

I have no idea at all how the backing in will work but I will stick my neck out and say it will be a backing in not elliptical. 

Artistic Licence.

Ridley has said over and over again the Space Jockey is an Engineer and I do not think he will create continuity over size. Thinking about it I cannot remember a single occasion when he has even considered addressing it as an issue. For people to find that hard is understandable (I couldn't care less, story is what drives me rich powerful ideas and characters) 

The Mission 

Its well remembered that Ridley said in an interview in 2012 that the Jockey was contemporanous within a couple of hundred years  but that thought belongs to the period when they were going to make a broad scope Prometheus follow up and he was done with dragons and all that .... rather than a narrow scope ALIEN: backing into and finding out precisely who the Jockey is.

What we want what we think is elegant and for instance crafts itself around the Dallas dialogue is not going to inform the end game.  

Look how people do not like David created this particular creature as Ridley said a far better idea than the Engineers. So how can the derelict not be connected to David however much we do not like it.

But he could change his mind based on reading Facebook ..again.  

Michelle Johnston

Jul-19-2017 8:52 AM

@BD

I must say I admire you for thinking that after the narrowing of Covenant to a mad robot who created the creature film you believe he is going to reintroduce all the elements that made Prometheus such a fascinating film. Most people who love the though provoking non spoon fed nature of Prometheus have probably jumped ship at least my friends have not even bothered to see Covenant as Prometheus fans. So to return to the broad creation story seems frankly daft after ditching it for Covenant.

Where did the ALIEN pathogen originate LV 223.

Who created the ALIEN - David

Whose the Space Jockey ..... 

Oh hold on a minute lets dump the beast thats cooked lets spend two more movies deepening the Engineer mythos and their role in creation having completely ignored them other than texture for a whole movie.

There is holding on to pre conceived ideas that are important to us through the momentum built up on previous movies and then there is the real likelihood of something happening and I really think anything that goes in the next movie is to serve Davids story and get us to where the Jockey is and thats it. 

 

sherris

Jul-19-2017 9:23 AM

The worst part of the Space Jockey saga for me is the fact that had RS left it alone after Prometheus then we could of all accepted that it was an Engineer, probably related to the LV 223 bio weapons testing and it crashed nearby on LV 426.

Job done. Now move on to the next thing....

Most of us would accept that and we move on to another question in the next instalment.

Now that can not be the case as David is the creator of the 1979 Xeno. So now that answer we had from Prometheus is now back to a question.

Simply can not be the answer as the Engineers did not have a 1979 Xeno as their end product. They had something similar.

What ? That is another question we now have.

 

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

Michelle Johnston

Jul-19-2017 9:28 AM

@Sherris 

Point Perfectly made.

ali81

Jul-19-2017 9:54 AM

I can accept that david messes about with the mutagen and creates something different to the original engineer design but what I just find hard to accept is david being responsible for the fate of the derelict. who is to say the 1979 xeno is not an engineer creation? id much rather have the derelict land on lv426 thousands of years ago as first implied and have it tie into the events of lv223.

Ati

Jul-19-2017 10:27 AM

ali81 ----

'I just find hard to accept is david being responsible for the fate of the derelict.'

As for the present situation, you don't have to accept that possibility because we do not know anything about the events of the movie(s) to come. It is possible that David is not responsible for the fate of the Derelict. The filmmakers can solve that problem with the help of many other creative ideas.

'who is to say the 1979 xeno is not an engineer creation?'

It is probable that the 1979 is not an Engineer creation, but you are right, it can't be claimed that it is not or it is made by David. I think other possibilities can enter the picture as well, for example, somebody or something we have not seen: creators of the Engineers, ancient androids made by the Engineers, another unknown alien species, etc...

'id much rather have the derelict land on lv426 thousands of years ago'

No problem with your point of view, totally understandable, and I think it is shared by Scott's idea since he mentions something similar in the interview in my previous comment: Scott: 'That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes out of the ground at the end. They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years, right?'

So it can mean that the Derelict landed on LV-426 when the LV-223 Engineers jumped into their cryo-chambers - thousands of years ago. (Around two thousand years ago...)

However, it is probable that the makers of the next movie won't find that version interesting enough and create something much more exciting. :) For instance, there are more alien ships on that moon, or there is a hidden underground base we haven't seen yet, and so on... Endless possibilities...

They must make a good movie!

ali81

Jul-19-2017 10:37 AM

I posted last year a theory I hade about the events on lv223 2 thousands years ago. I theorised that the elders or higher beings came to punish those on lv223 by planting xenos/ eggs close to the facility. on one of those ships in orbit one got loose and the result was the derelict. it was abandoned due to the others knowing the danger within the ship and we got a bit more insight into a possible civil war within the engineer society. there r endless possibilities open to fox and RS to explore. lets just hope they explore some of them and give us a film that does the original 1979 alien justice

MonsterZero

Jul-19-2017 11:20 AM

Ripley “Dallas, please say again….”

Dallas, very garbled, “....A door... closed on us…. Didn’t ...see it when w..e.... entered…don’t see how to open it…”

Ripley “Copy that Dallas.","Is there another way out?”

Dallas “......uuh......yeah...will look... around…”

Ripley “Ash, how’s their oxygen?”

Ash “35 hours”

Parker “So you sayin’ they’re trapped!?”

Ripley “Looks like it”

…..

Dallas “Kane, do you see another door?

Kane offered, “No, this hole in the floor, maybe we...”

Dallas interrupted him, “ Rather not go lower, if we can help it…Lambert you see anything?”

Suddenly, just ahead of Dallas, a human form appeared.

“Hello”, spoke the humanoid, “My name is David and these are my friends.”  From behind him, two large creatures revealed themselves.

David signaled the creatures ‘spare the female’,  and added for all to hear, “Our transport has arrived.”

Unable to move, Dallas was eviscerated. The second creature slid past the screaming Lambert and pounced on Kane. David then tossed a small device, It exploded in a blinding display of light.

Lambert ” Ripley! Ther…”

 

….

 

Ripley “Lambert?! Please repeat! Lambert?...Dallas, Kane do you copy!?...”

Nothing but static greeted them.

Ripley  “Ash meet me at the airlock! We are going after them.”

Ash “Ripley, do you think that is wise?”

Ripley ignoring him,  “Parker, get this goddamned ship ready to fly by the time we get back!”

Parker nodded, for once, unable to say anything.

Ripley “Ash!? Are you with me?”

Ash paused, the added “Yes.”

 

Love to see a Ripley versus David. With a wild card of Ash!

chli

Jul-19-2017 1:55 PM

@Michelle

If I understand you correctly, you pick David as the connecting link to the Space Jockey, the Derelict and the eggs on LV-426? An interesting theory that David unwillingly (ingesting facehugger embryos - one too much) contributes with the mechanical traits to the otherwise biological ones of the protomorph? David is on his way to eradicate mankind with the cargo hold full of xeno-eggs of his own making, but is interrupted on the way by a chestburster which pops out of him? If you are serious, that is? Leviticus 4:26. Nice! What kind of atonement? The reason? For playing God (hubris)? David made a mistake concerning Shelley but can’t he even count to three? :) . He wants to play God himself and “To create, one must first destroy”?

@BigDave

As always, you turn and twist the problems unyieldingly. Always full of facts, ideas and analyses. :) You’re great! If I understand you correctly, an engineer, returning to “Paradise” and finding it obliterated, is not angry and wants revenge but wants to study David’s creations and perishes by the content in the cargo hold and crashes on LV-426? Why did God create man when he had the angels? Because he could? :)

@Kethol:

Great pictures and a good point about the Space Jockey being much larger than the engineers. Another race? Another being?

Also, you’re right about the Space Jockey not being a fossil - it’s a skeleton preserved by the dry and cold climate, with no oxygen, of LV-426?

In Prometheus, RS changed this into being a body (whose?) inside a helmet and space suit . . .

@Ati

Great account of the juggernauts. I take it you’re not too fond of the idea that David created the xeno either? :)

@sherries

Well said!

@ali81

I agree!

@MonsterZero

Interesting alternative story. :)

I Raptus

Jul-19-2017 5:00 PM

Michelle Johnston & chli I think that's an interesting theory regarding David contributing the biomech attributes to the xeno. 

Seeing as his experiments on Paradise were in pursuit of a perfect organism,  I can see David sacrificing himself to help propagate the perfect organism - the Xenomorph. 

David believes he is superior to his creators, and by sacrificing himself to complete his organism, he creates the perfect weapon against humanity. His judgement on the Engineers of Paradise shows he is capable of genocidal acts, and likely still has a reckoning with humanity in mind, having already judged humanity as weak and unfit for survival. 

He knows from Oram that human's are insatiably curious creatures to go poking around potentially dangerous places and sticking their faces in ominous looking eggs.  He will use that to set up the derelict encounter.

And probably just out of arrogance.

 

Batchpool

Jul-19-2017 5:49 PM

For what it’s worth, I’ll just throw in my two cents for how I think the dots could connect.

In Prometheus there was an outbreak which resulted in some of the Engineers/Space Jockey’s being infected. The result of this was that some looked like something had burst out from inside. The black goo as we know can be unpredictable in how it affects different organisms, but what burst out of the Space jockeys on LV223 could also have burst out of the ancient Space Jockey in the Derelict on LV426. This does not mean there were any xenomorphs on board the Derelict before it crashed.

The Derelict could have been on a mission to drop its payload on another planet like we saw David do in AC, but the goo broke its containment and the Space Jockey was killed as a result of an outbreak on board the Derelict, but not before putting down on LV426 and sending out a warning beacon.

We know that the outpost on LV223 is a known source of black goo, but probably not its origin, perhaps the Derelict is the secret to all this? However, if David needed to acquire more black goo, returning to LV223 might not be such a good idea, so perhaps he came across the Derelicts past history from somewhere, and might want to visit it to help acquire more goo and conduct more experiments.

If David is to be the one who creates the xenomorph in Alien, then I think the xenomorph can only be produced from humans. The rest of the Alien franchise would seem to point that what results from a face hugger takes on the characteristics of the host to some degree. I prefer to like this line of thinking, because what could be more perfect than an organism that is going to kill you, that is based on you. Maybe that is what makes it a perfect organism. The killing machine is based on the host.

 

If David did at some point gain knowledge of the Derelict, it might be possible that he puts eggs in the Derelict. In this case these eggs have been produced from the Derelicts cargo of goo which produces the xenomorph that we see in Alien. In other words David booby traps the Derelict, but long after the Derelict crashed, which would still present some air of mystery as to the full history of the Derelict.

If David is indeed connected too MUTHER, then this is how the Nostromo was eventually redirected. The end game is that the xenomorph we see in Alien is unique and one of a kind, and the ancient Space Jockey remains ancient. I say the xenomorph in Alien is unique because if Ash was connected to MUTHER, he did provide some words of caution. “Let’s not be too hasty, we don’t know anything about it.”

Facehuggers

Jul-19-2017 5:56 PM

@MonsterZero

nice story! wish there was more

chli

Jul-20-2017 4:54 AM

@IRapture

I agree, but perhaps not about David sacrificing himself. He seems to be too much self-centred for that?

@Batchpool

Nice theory.

MonsterZero

Jul-20-2017 10:36 AM

Thanks nakedlunch!

 

What about the airlock in the juggernaut(like my story pointed out), Was the space jockey flying with it open? Exposed to space….OR did someone enter the derelict earlier and open the airlock and place the eggs.

 

 

Eggs should have been fossilized just like the Space jockey...unless the laser light show kept them fresh.

ali81

Jul-20-2017 10:43 AM

batchpool, I could go with that. david knows the company r aware of the signal from the derelict and would most likely be planning, or had a planned expedition in mind to go to the derelict. so david places the eggs in anticipation of this expeditions arrival but it happens to be the nostromo that gets redirected

chli

Jul-20-2017 11:47 AM

Dallas was probably wrong when he said that the Space Jockey was fossilised because that would mean lying in layers of sediments for thousands of years. The Space Jockey is a skeleton, though, preserved because of the dry, cold and oxygen-free atmosphere, perhaps? How long has it been sitting there in the pilot chair of the Derelict? That is the question.

In Prometheus, Ridley Scott changed the fossilised/skeletal Space Jockey into being a helmet and a space suit made for engineers (the Space Jockey is larger, however). Inside, there is, most likely, an engineer? David/Walter or a human would get lost in the large space suit. :)

My guess about how they finally link the prequels to Alien is therefore that an engineer did crash on LV-426 with xeno-eggs in the cargo hold. The engineer must have been attacked by a facehugger when loading the eggs, or when he, for some reason, went into the cargo hold before the journey (not fully understanding the danger). When he wakes up after the face-hug he enters the pilot chair and sets off on his mission (eradicating mankind or another planet somewhere). After some time, the pain in his chest forces him to quickly choose the nearest planet to land on (LV-426).

What I would like to see is a flashback scene at the end of the last prequel, where we travel 2.000 years back in time, to LV-223. We will briefly see what caused the outbreak and the engineers running for safety before the automated doors are shut (which we see in the hologram David activates). All engineers but two dies - one we encounter in Prometheus - the other escapes in a juggernaut filled with xeno-eggs . . .

What I think is more likely, though, is that the route of David is continued. In Alien: Awakening, the two face-hugger-embryos are used on Daniels and Tennessee. We get a new heroine who will continue the alien saga and conflict with David and the xenomorph. Engineers will return and find “Paradise” obliterated and filled with engineer and human corpses, and the residues of a synthetic. The engineers will not look too favourably upon this so they will hunt down David and his creations. There will be a war and everyone dies (Origae 6 and LV-223 are no more), except one engineer who dashes off with a cargo hold filled with David’s xeno-eggs . . . The information about the Xenomorph David has passed on to "Mother" and Ash, and eventually, The Nostromo lands on LV-426 . . .

Michelle Johnston

Jul-22-2017 3:05 PM

@Chli

Your interpretation of my idea is correct. I must stress they are not based on what I think is "right" they are my interpretation of how I view the clues Ridley offers in Covenant and what he has said in various interviews.

He has given the responsibility for driving the narrative to David/Michael and indeed Katherine has said this prequel trilogy is not about her it is about David. 

The Engineers and Shaw (and what happened to them) in Covenant are a reaction to Davids narrative.

Ridley has indicated in the next movie that the Xeno morph will move away from being controlled by A I and be more independent of it that of course fits the continuing cascade of creator/creation. It is also dramatically crucial if you wish to grow the threat of the Xenomorph's rather than have them sharing the antagonists spot. 

In order to connect with Alien we need to see :-

1) The information link with Weyland Yutani which of course can be done by a main frame link with David/Walter.

2) We need to see in Ridleys words who the Jockey is. That he will amend some of the circumstances of the ship (no cryo/pods, the burnt trap door and the who's laser are all possibilities) but the main point will be to explain what the Jockey was up to and how he got into trouble. If that is a key connective point then it is either David/Walter or, an Engineer who becomes involved in David's narrative, possibly one of redemption. Whoever the Jockey is its about David and his ending/transformation before ALIEN. He is so important to the narrative anything else does not make dramatic sense. Put it another way for a new character to enter and be the Jockey and be entirely independent of Davids narrative makes no sense just as re introducing all the bull shit (Wayne Haag) from Prometheus makes no sense other than to bring the Engineers response to Davids destruction into the narrative.

In finishing most people use plot points and devices to get to the point where they want the Jockey to be. I am looking at it from Ridleys point of view and giving it a story that the global audience would find "Cool" and like Aaron on AVP whether he likes it or not his belief is all roads lead to David.     

It can all change or not get made but based on all of the evidence of David the straight line into and through Covenant and that in Ridleys view he is the originator of this version of the Black Goo outcome nothing else makes sense. 

I think I have a clear view of what Ridley is up to I guessed all of Covenant with just two surprises :-

1) The Jacob death solar sales incident.

2) The complete lack of exposition over the Engineers and Shaw from their point of view rather than what we got, how they fed David's narrative. 

But positionally we got what I expected. 

Put simply Covenant repositioned the narrative entirely around David I expect that pre eminence to continue.

  

Ati

Jul-22-2017 3:39 PM

'Great account of the juggernauts. I take it you’re not too fond of the idea that David created the xeno either? :)'

chli - I wouldn't say that. If we get an exciting and clever AC sequel, that will be no problemo at all.

chli

Jul-24-2017 4:38 AM

@ Michelle

Yes, I agree that there can be a difference between what you would like to happen in future prequels/sequels, and what you think will happen based on AC, interviews with RS etc. David has become the driving character, for better or worse (He definitely is an interesting character and Fassbender a very good actor).

The theme of hubris and nemesis fits in if David is chosen as the creator of the xenomorph, and that he perishes from his own creation? I suppose there is no turning back now and we will have to accept David as the creator of the Xenomorph, and the Space Jockey not being ancient?

@Ati

Well, the problem is that the Space Jockey can't be ancient. If we follow the route that David is the creator of the Xenomorph, the Space Jockey can only have been dead for a couple of years (18 at the most) when The Nostromo lands on LV-426.

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