Posted Jun-25-2017 1:54 PM
Hence David added two small alien embryos at the end to the other 1000 human embryos, I am wondering if we can expect them to be created as eggs in the Juggernaut on LV-426. I mean in Alien1 we see a huge number of them. I mean David will go on with his experiments on the Covenant or on "the Planet" and would like to enhance the Alien DNA.
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That or the colonists themselves... Egg Cocooning Scene
Actually we don't know yet. We only know David has 2000+ colonists in cryo and facehugger embryos.
Some will say "David created the Xeno" but even that is highly disputed. Til it is clearly stated with official material (no Ridley-Rambles) I'll go with what is hinted/stated in the lore, that the Xenos, or at least some form of them, are way older than David (LV-178, Midwinter etc.).
Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.
I think it depends on how the approach this (Derelict/Eggs) and if they dont do any more U-Turns.
Right now AC has gone the route to show us DAVID Created those Eggs, in the movie is not as Clear Cut... but RS comments have said that he has Created them.
The Xenomorph looked different it lacked Bio-Mechanical Looks and Chest Buster and Gestation was different, again in the movie its no clear cut way to suggest David Created the Xenomorph or if he Evolved it. But RS had said the Bio-Mechanical Look of the Derelict and Xenomorph in Alien is something we HAVE YET to arrive to.
so in order to get to LV-426 and those Eggs there are a few things that HAVE to happen... If we accept without those Face Huggers David brought on-board the Covenant or the Eggs David Created on Paradise... then there would be no EGGS on the Derelict.... this then leaves us with the Following.
*David has TWO Face Huggers, and how those Eggs get onto the Derelict really depends on which route RS/FOX are going as far as how the Xenomorph PROCREATES
a) Does the Xenomorph Egg Morph Hosts into Eggs?
b) Does there be a way that a Queen is created that lays Eggs?
c) Is there another way those Eggs are created, which would involve Davids Experiments and depends on how he created those Eggs on Paradise.
I think RS may not choose the Cameron's Queen route, at very least not directly connected as a Xenomorph Queen. And option C would mean David may need Black Goo, which he does not have or maybe have to use Tools/Equipment on the Covenant to Splice Xeno-DNA with Human Eggs most likely
*Regardless which way RS goes for the Xenomorph Procreation, the Aliens in Covenant are not Bio-Mechanical and so its Logical that the Off-spring would not be either. So if David goes for the Egg-Morph or Queen Route they must come from a Bio-Mechanical Version of the Xenomorph first.
Because if these TWO Face Huggers are the same as in AC, and we get Egg Morph Colonist = Eggs or a Queen Chest Buster = Eggs we really have to wonder how does the Mechanical Element come to play?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
So now we have looked at that... its now time to see how this can pan out... RS has said they are going to the Planet...
But which Planet, and RS had said there are 3-4 players who will arrive, we have to assume these 3-4 players will arrive to intercept or go where the Covenant is going. RS knows LV-426 and LV-223 are not Planets... but maybe by Planet they mean that System?
So a lot depends on which Planet RS refers too... if it is Origae-6 then we have to look at Davids Agenda and why would he want to head to that place?
The logical reason is that he can set up shop and have enough time to create a whole lot of Xenomorph Eggs... but surely David could do this on the Covenant ship?
So who knows what will happen as far as destination, but if we assume David will not be returning to Paradise or LV-223/426 then this means BLACK-GOO is not Part of the Process to those Xenomorph Eggs.
It therefore is more Logical that David somehow either is involved or does something to make Synthetic Material become involved in the Xenomorph Life Cycle.
With TWO Face Huggers and Daniels knowing who David is, means he may want to take her out... i am willing to bet that we will SEE TWO Variations of the Xenomorph, one that is like Alien Covenant and one that is like the 1979 Xenomorph that has Synthetic Material in its Make Up.
I think its likely that we see David either experiment with Walter Parts to somehow combine Synthetic Material with Xenomorph DNA... or David builds a Walter Model from parts and this Walter-Model then gets Face Hugged by one of the Face Huggers to give birth to our Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.
I think the Waltermorph route is what we shall be shown, its a Question of is this Waltermorph ... Walter from AC? a Walter David builds or a Walter David builds but then Transfers Davids Mind/Soul to.
A alternative route would be one of the incoming Parties Provides the Synthetic/Bio-Mechanical Make up for the Xenomorph.
So this would then be a Android from a incoming Human Ship or a Engineer or Elder.
Regardless there has to be some Piece of the Puzzle that allows for the Mechanical Part to be added to Davids Experiments and then this resulting Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph then Egg Morphs Hosts to become those Eggs.
HOWEVER... with Engineers coming back into the FOLD we could see Black Goo/Sacrificial Goo play a role instead on one of Davids experiments.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I will never believe that David was/is the sole creator of the xenos. I will always contend that he simply tried to "perfect" something that he knew was an "ultimate" life form that he had discovered from the Engineer history. And I don't care what anyone may tell me...David was not/never will be the Xeno "creator".
Very interesting aspects. A nice book indeed.
I agree that RC will not (re)introduce the Queen for the egg creation since he got upset for Camerons Aliens movie.
I also agree the aspect that the Xenomorph or better their prototypes was originally created by the Engineers and then modified by David.
There could be also following aspects. When the crew discovered in Alien1 the Juggernaut they saw that creature from which chest was bursted. Maybe that (mechanical) creature or better what came out of it has something to do with Egg Colonist Morphing.
Well i think we will have to pretty much accept that David indeed creates the Xenomorph, i dont think RS will back track on this.
The Question now comes to what role did the Engineers play in the Black Goo as far as LV-223 Xeno-strain. And how far up the level of Hierarchy does knowledge of this Black Goo in those Urns attributed to the Deacon Mural exist.
Is it a Faction of Engineers creation? Are the Engineers on Paradise aware of its creation, what about the Hierarchy above them?
Because i can really see the Hierarchy coming back and discovering Davids experiments and it kind of seems more fitting if the Beings who come back to find David are Ultimately the Space Jockey and more interesting if they set out to Re-create/Re-engineer something they came across.
But Failed..... only for David to actually Succeed in Creating the Perfection that the Engineers failed at or at least died in the attempts of creating.
Thus the Space Jockey ends up after preventing David etc, the Space Jockey then sees Davids creation as David Achieving beyond what they ever could and in their Hubris they take Davids Creation away and become infected by it.
Thus leaving the Pursuit and use of the Evolving and Attempts at Perfecting the Creature in the Mural as the Equivalent of the "The Ring of the Nibelung" and its Curse from the Opera Das Rheingold
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
David might want to put the eggs on an Engineer ship because of how much more advanced it is it is than the Covenant ...
I agree K-Theory.
I just don't know if I can assume that the eggs in Alien are the colonists on the Covenant. Yes, I do see the pushing of the story for us to connect the dots and assume that, yet I just don't think Ridley Scott would do something THAT predictable. I mean, that would basically give us the story. What's the point of watching the movie then, except for the nice CGI and finding out the details of the story. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, I'm just not jumping to conclusions here.
As Starlogger said above, I really don't think David created those exact eggs we see in Alien. I think David took ideas from the Engineers. I mean, there is that mural in Prometheus with a Xeno-like creature. I know there is debate over that in how canon it is though. I guess all the dots aren't easy to connect in this particular case.
Ridley Scott's best option is to create something original while everyone is wondering how this ties into Alien. Then, at the last scene, everything makes sense and everyone is just applauding the originality and uniqueness with creativity because the finale of the prequels wasn't bogged down with what the original set in place story wise. THAT is what Ridley needs to do. He did it with Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, yet I didn't like Alien: Covenant near as much as Prometheus. Of course, Fox may be to blame with that. The basis for Alien: Covenant's story was VERY creative and captivating. Sadly the movie got twisted while in Ridley Scott's control.
The Alien franchise is NOT about predictability. Well, at least under Ridley Scott's control. That is why we got H.R. Giger for the monster. Ridley wanted something original. So far the whole prequels have been original. Prometheus is HANDS DOWN. Alien: Covenant was too and I think it would be hard to make Alien: Covenant original because it was a sequel, period. So, I think A:C needs some credit there. I'm just giving credit where credit is due.
Of course, I could be wrong about Ridley Scott's plans, yet I hope I am right. I don't want to see the prequel finale explaining Alien with some disgruntled Engineers killing David with a swipe of their hand. I'm sure David is no match for multiple Space Jockeys. Plus, if we do want to connect the dots here, then if those eggs are the colonists, then what would David use to fight the Engineers with? The Covenant could be destroyed easily by the Engineers. Sure, I'm sure something could be written to explain how David could outsmart them, yet I don't think it would be on the level of Ridley Scott's quality.
So, to answer the question about if the eggs are the colonists, I think we need to look at how Ridley Scott has treated the Alien franchise as a whole. The prequels as a general idea are loaded with originality. I expect the same for the finale. If not, it could hurt the original Alien movies story and it would just bog down the finale with the fact that it directly ties into Alien. I mean we could get a 20 min scene showing how that juggernaut crashed! Both prequels have been right at 2 hours. I just hope there isn't going to be room in the film for a crash scene and a dying scene for the pilot.
Still, in the end, I'm going to go see it in theaters, so Disney will get my money in addition to me buying the box set of the prequels, so maybe it just won't matter to them anyways? Ridley Scott gets his prequels that he's pushing for and BOOM! the franchise goes in hibernation for 10 years while Disney decides what to do with an R film that is intended to scare the $h!t out of people (as Ridley Scott says).
We've all read Ridley Scott will get free reigns on Alien: Awakening. I expect him to use it to his fullest extent even if Disney is in control. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of agreement between Fox and Disney to ensure the rights Fox gave Ridley now that the franchise is under Disney.
If Ridley doesn't explain the Space Jockey and the eggs from LV-426..then the prequels would be rather pointless!
So I vote the eggs aboard the derelict are recent(2120 ish).....And NOT placed by David..this would be very cliche'!! The queen or something else....
What do the Engineers fear? Who/what is their sworn enemy? Are they the top of the food chain?
I have no problem if the Engineers are just modified humans who were removed from Earth tens of thousands of years ago....Altered by some alien race.
MonsterZero said, "If Ridley doesn't explain the Space Jockey and the eggs from LV-426..then the prequels would be rather pointless!"
Very true, but it better NOT be spooned fed to us. Knowing Ridley though, that will never happen.
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