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This could be an answer

This could be an answer

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I Moon Girl

Jun-11-2017 5:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHat2vtcfzU

Does this help explain why that scientist insisting on touching that Hammerpede?  So, he may not be the safest scientist, but I think he just excited.  Being a scientist, he probably doesn't make much.  I think the script in this section helps me understand and enjoy the part where he insisting on touching that Hammerpede.  That part was the ONLY part that really bothered me in Prometheus and now it doesn't bother me AS MUCH.

This is the first time I have ever seen the footage that I provided in the link. I thought I would share just in case nobody else has seen it.

 

19 Responses to This could be an answer

Tdby

Jun-11-2017 6:02 PM

He is damn idiot. No need to be scienst evry norman person going to take care abd stay away from that ugly bitch in sight.

I Moon Girl

Jun-11-2017 6:13 PM

I think Prometheus needed this scene to develop this guys character more.

I joined this forum a few weeks before Alien:Covenant came out and I remember reading people complaining about that guy insisting on touching that Hammerpede.

He's just really excited.  Almost, like, in love with that Hammerpede.  The deleted scene just makes why he did what he did more obvious.

Personally, I would never had done what he did.  Like you said, "He is damn idiot. No need to be scienst evry norman person going to take care abd stay away from that ugly bitch in sight."

Still, I am glad I'm not that guy! It made sense to touch that thing to him.

 

Tdby

Jun-11-2017 6:17 PM

Unles ure high by cocaine no single person even thugs not going to touch that ugly bastard. Scienist not possible. Scienists would capture it for exemine it ofcourse but not with hands lol.

colonialsoldier

Jun-11-2017 6:32 PM

@MoonGirl - I think it is implicit as an Astronaut who goes through many hours of training, they are very well taught on the proper protocol and procedures if they encounter Alien life.  Would you pet that animal locked in a cage at the zoo?  lol

I Moon Girl

Jun-11-2017 6:41 PM

If you can't pet an animal at a zoo, the zoo makes it so that there is no way that petting that animal could ever happen.  That is unless someone would hop the barrier and jump down, like, 20 feet into the animal pit, but who would do that?  The fall could kill someone.  If not, the animal could easily kill an injured person from the fall.  Nobody would jump in a pit of a bear.  We all know those things could kill you.  This is in the field.  There are no locked cages for any of these aliens.  They're not understood.  No one even knows what they are capable.  This Hammerpede is very small.  It could still be just as deadly as a Viper Snake though.  The whole Prometheus mission was rushed.  Maybe because they were told not to make contact with the aliens by Vickers.  They found aliens, so they wanted to make contact before Vickers takes control of the mission.  Once she is in control, the mission is over for the scientists.  Instead, I see this guy trying to touch the Hammerpede as him trying to negotiate with it.  This is the worst scene in Prometheus by far and I just think some more character development on that scientist wouldn't make the part with the Hammerpede seem so out of place.  It may be wrong to try and negotiate with alien life, but the problem with the scene is because it is so stupid and out of place.  I like the deleted scene I provided the link showing the guy grabbing the worm because now the Hammerpede scene isn't so sharply contrasted with the rest of the movie.

Tdby

Jun-11-2017 6:43 PM

Maybe that guy who touched hammerhead high in cocaine who knows he was laughting stupitly all the time.

I Moon Girl

Jun-11-2017 7:01 PM

He's skeptical about Shaw's "The Engineer's made us" and firmly sticks to Darwinism and real science books, but when he get's out to the field, he forgets the books and touches anything he finds.  David is like that too, but he was just touching all the buttons.  Halloway just couldn't sit still and shaw wants to go talk to aliens without any weapons.  Fifield likes to spoke pot on the job too.  The other lady scientist didn't have enough screen time, so there is no telling what she would do, but I am sure she's got something stupid under her sleeve.  Maybe it's the artificial oxygen in the ship? 

I Moon Girl

Jun-11-2017 7:12 PM

If anything, it's the air, not the cocaine.

BigDave

Jun-11-2017 8:03 PM

The deleted scene does help a little...

The drafts much more, as Fifield is smoking Pot and he picks the Hammerpede up and places it close to Milburn, this scene also explains that there suits are near enough Bullet Proof.

My Prometheus re-write had Milburn find small Worms and place them into those canisters and not the larger ones.

Latter when they are lost, and then enter the Room with the Black Goo Milburn notices worms the size of those in that deleted scene, just leaving the Black Goo and he picks them up with his Gloves and Studies them and says these are larger than the ones i found earlier, and he is amazed at them, and then he spots the Adult Ones and refers to it as "this must be Mother" Fifield says or Father how do you know... Milburn then says well if these are a type of Worm then they are both sexes... as he then goes in for a closer look he is more cautious, as it hisses at him and raises his head.

Fifield is like dont F-k with that thing come on lets keep clear, he grabs Milburn and tries to drag him up, but Milburn argues its ok, these Suits are Stab Proof, Fifield tries pull Milburn up and he shrugs off Fifield but slips in the Goo and lands on all fours, as the Hammerpede makes a dart for his Face Milburn Reacts and catches it...  The Hammerpede then seems subdued a bit... before it then latches around his Arm.

Just simple re-writes like this that improve Prometheus, i will have to finish my re-write as i worked on it about 2.5 years ago.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

I Moon Girl

Jun-11-2017 8:14 PM

If those drafts were done by the actual writers, I would say the draft should've been followed.  I could see a guy with Fifield's personality being wreckless.  He wants money, he looks like a thug, he acts like he doesn't care, and he sneaks pot on the ship and smokes it on exploring an alien world.  I am not saying he's a bad character, but it would make more sense for him to pick it up.  I guess Milburn figured his suit couldn't be pierced if the Hammerpede bit him.  ::SIGH:: The draft should've been followed.  It wouldn't have taken any longer either!

I like how your rewrite leaves out the part where Milburn ignores the hissing worm and tries to touch it anyway.

BigDave

Jun-11-2017 8:38 PM

Sadly a lot of stuff in drafts never get used as they take up more screen time...

Alien Covenant Novel too is more polished than the movie, i would recommend reading Lindeloffs Paradise and Spaights Alien Engineers ;)

My in part re-write does tackle a lot of Problems with Prometheus and offers a more Alieny Link without actually having any Xenomorphs...

I had 2-3 versions of the Milburn Dead Body Scene, that was slightly different, one of which we see him get Chest Bursted instead and the Chest Burster is shot.. the Chest Burster looking a bit like the Neomorph (well unused concepts from Prometheus).

The other we see the Hammerpede jump out and get shot a few times and we see it split open and we see tiny Eggs a bit like those in Alien just smaller.

These changes are to link to Alien, as my interpretation of the clues put the Hammerpedes as maybe potentially being the Progenitor to the Xenomorph in Alien.

Outbreak 2000 years ago + Native worms = surely Hammerpedes, and then we have those Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-sleep...

Worms are Egg layers and so a Xeno-strain infected Hammerpede would likely be a Egg Layer too... and so i was teasing a way to maybe show they can lay Eggs, but not cover what hatches from the Eggs.

Or show they implant a Embryo into a Host..

The 3rd version i was just going to combine both, to hint that the Hammerpedes Lay Eggs inside a Host that then evolve to Chest Busters.

That would appear like small versions of this Prometheus concept work

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jun-11-2017 8:51 PM

The actual visions i had for the Chest Buster would have been like this image concept Prop only with No Eyes, a more elongated back of the head and No Mouth well a Mouth like the Hammerpede that opens up as in the image bellow.

It would also have TWO Spines/Spikes like the Xenmorph has but no Tubes, and the Chest Buster just rips out of Milburn and then Hisses at the crew and opens its Mouth before Janek Blasts it away. Spraying Acid as it does soo.

I would have had it the same color as that Prop Alternative Fifield, and its a bit funny that the Neomorph Mouth is actually a bit similar to the Hammerpede Concepts.

Talking about Fifield my Rewrite we saw the Fifield Mutation and it was more like the image in this one above, and my Fifield was thus a replacement of Spaights... a more Alien Looking one who does not kill as many crew and pins down a Crew Member before getting shot to bits and Acid Bleeds over his Victim who then gets Melted too... Basically a re-insert of the Vickers Death Scene from Spaights Alien Engineers.

As my re-write introduces a  few of Spaights elements but also tidy up stuff and add my own too... i really have to finish it one day ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

David001

Jun-11-2017 9:06 PM

The scene should have been in the movie. It would have helped. The only part of the scene that should have stayed deleted was Fifield's comment about "Mr Biology". That was dumb and out of place.

I don't think it's that odd he was trying to collect organisms. It's big money, he's got a seemingly reliable suit on to protect him, the organisms look pretty harmless, it's the first time this kind of life has been discovered away from earth, and for all we know Weyland Industries have him obligated under contract to collect new organisms immediately if encountered.

JOHNNYMORPH

Jun-12-2017 4:21 AM

I understand the criticism of the Hammerpede scene and Milburn/Fifield's conduct, but I think it would have ended badly for them no matter what they did.

If they would have kept some distance between themselves and the Hammerpede, the Hammerpede may have moved fast towards them and wrapped itself around one of their legs.

It's an extremely fast alien life-form, very strong with acid for blood. I believe it had sensed that potential victims were near and it came to investigate and attack/use Milburn and Fifield.

 

AdamPD

Jun-12-2017 5:15 AM

The scene where Milburn gets attacked could've been so much better

Perhaps they could've made it so the two guys are surrounded by 3 or more of those snakes, but as the first one pops up, they start to back away, only for another to pop up behind them, then they both attack Milburn

Fifield attempts to cut one off and kills it, but gets sprayed with acid (Cue the falling into the goo scene)

The other survives, but instead of breaking Milburns arm, perhaps it should've penetrated the helmet instead.

Would a broken bone pierce such a supposedly advanced suit? I doubt it.

BigDave

Jun-12-2017 7:48 AM

Very Good Points Adam

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

sherris

Jun-12-2017 1:11 PM

The Fifield is a classic case of stupid that could of been easily avoided with small dialogue. 

Like BigDave said a simple comment like"It cant penetrate my suit" for eg. could of explained his confidence in the hammerpede situation.

Clearing these moments with small dialogue can change a whole outlook on a film. Imagine if Prometheus' script flaws were tightened, it would get rid of most of the audiences critique (not all) and Prometheus wo uld of been judged a little differently i think

 

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I Moon Girl

Jun-12-2017 4:14 PM

@sherris

Sadly, they didn't use that small, but necessary, dialogue you are saying.  I really don't think it would've been that hard.  This may come back to Ridley Scott as the problem maker since he is directing the film.  I could see Scott getting so wrapped up in the story before filming that he forgets to see the story from the audiences perspective.  He really likes the Alien franchise, so I think he just got really focused on making this amazing movie, but just forgot about the audiences perspective in the process.

@BigDave

One thing I like about Prometheus is that there is NO Xenomorph looking alien or story in it.  Well, there is at the end and I think there was that sculpture in the black goo room.  Still, watching this movie for the first time without realizing that it belongs to the Alien franchise, no one would notice that this is an Alien movie (until the end).  I love that idea Prometheus was based around!

One thing I don't like about the worms being the egg layers is that it may point to the idea that David created the Xenomorph.  David could someone see these worms changing with the goo and could put two and two together (he is very smart) and use the worms to create his eggs.  I guess the Engineers wouldn't use mutated worms to make the eggs.  If the Engineers made them, I am sure it would be a very mechanical process.

Still, I like how the worms could be more than just a worm, but would tie into the Alien franchise as a whole.  It's kind of odd that a worm is already canon and it somehow it fits in your story so well.  It's like, maybe the writers thought that at one time.

So, I like version 2 of your 3 options BigDave.

Also, I have started reading the Alien:Covenant novel.  I like it so far.  I especially like the fact that I get to experience the story again. 

@AdamPD

That would've been better for sure!

BigDave

Jun-12-2017 5:30 PM

At the end of Prometheus, the only survivors were David (David's head in fact) and Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace).

"As far as we know," says Fassbender.

Source

This comment by Fassbender in regards to a interview prior to Alien Covenant where he was discussing Walter/David did get a lot of people wondering what he meant and if this Survivor means something or someone that gets on the Ship with David and Shaw...

But it could be that someone else survived, its very coy and ambiguous so who really knows what Fassbender means.

If anything was to sneak on that ship (as many speculated surely the Deacon does) i feel it would be likely that Worms could have got on board.

Damien Lindeloff also teased that the Deacon and Hammerpede may have a direct role in the Xeno Origins when he made some comments nearly 5 years ago.

I would Safely Assume the Hammerpedes could be Egg Layers, if these Worms are like Worms on Earth and this trait is carried over and evolved.

This does not mean this is what happened to the Space Jockey or those Engineers however.. but it is potentially one thing that could account for them.

The original idea was Face Huggers however.... (Spaights Draft) but this was ambiguous as the Engineers where just carrying a slightly different Chest Buster to the Xenomorph.

But where all this goes now is up in the AIR with the U-Turn/Curve-ball that David creates the Xenomorph, yet the Novel hints he was evolving them.

Something which a Source i had with information on Paglen/Green Prometheus 2 drafts had said.. (David Re-creates it)

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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