I tend to agree with you. Even IF RS had the "intent" that that was the "entire Engineer" race, then...well, that was just stupid, so they'd better retcon that idea into something more plausible.
Yes this speculation is around since the first footage of the civilization of the planet was released.
The novelization doesnt back it up tho nor hints it in any way.
I think they are either a sacrificial caste, some of whom get taken away periodically for seeding. There were tall, cloaked males visible in the background who look similar to the sacrificial Prometheus Engineer.
They could also be a hybrid caste, maybe a step up from humans?
Or they are another race who have been made in the image of the Engineers.
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger
Tdby you said, "Engineers in covenant look like retarded villagers."
You must love internet anonymity. Did you ever think that using that word is derogatory, something I have had to bring to your attention before. Please be aware that this is a community of individuals who want to discuss all things ALIEN, and some of us (me) are sensitive to groups of people being reduced to disparaging words. Even in a fictional context.
Type "Cro-Magnon" into your search engine, then click search. Bone structure goes through years of evolution, and look at different bone structures of early man. We do not know what the Engineers evolved from.
About your photo there - Predators hunt down beasts that will challenge them, they learn from this. They have respect for a great fighter, watch Predator 2.
Dutch, (played by Arnold) was a greater warrior than that particular Predator. This all common knowledge.
here - this will help for the final exam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJzw-hgTTw
Now back to Covenant.
As meticulous as R.Scott is, it's my impression that this scene was originally aborted! Yet somebody fought for it so maybe that's why they don't look super pimp like the clearish blue fellas from Prom. Who knows though about whether this is engineer home base or not.
My take is (regardless of the meticulous Ridley Scott) is also some lazy screenwriting. We can all speculate on what the Engineer species was comprised of but if there is no real backstory; I am not even going to wonder lol.
I'm not sure if it's accurate to lump in the Engineers (the ones who actually manipulated genetic material, as seen in Prometheus) with the citizens who were bombed in Covenant. I was thinking those people were created in the elders' image and were unable to create (since the elders and Engineers died out due to their hubris) but thrived as a civilization. That's why they were so defenseless and awed at David's arrival--a ship like that probably hadn't been seen for hundreds if not thousands of years. People tend to scoff at the Engineers getting wiped out in one scene, but it makes perfect sense to me. The Engineers as we saw them were on their way out long before we came along because their hubris destroyed them. The race that David bombed were innocent descendants.
Lone, that makes a lot of sense. That would explain why there's such a big difference in the look
Let me make some points:
(1) No matter how primitive they may seem, they aren't "retarded." Roman peasants would have the same IQ (if they took a Raven's progressive matrices test) as we do today. Same goes for hunters and gatherers 20 000 years ago.
@Barf the Mog, I don't know why you are so upset. Retarded is a fairly used word on the internet so I am sure you should've been acclimatized to its use.
(2) Damon Lindelof says that planet isn't Paradise. Therefore those may or may not be the Engineers. However, we do see some Engineers (pause at the waving scene) looking very similar to the clones in Prometheus. BUT, Lindelof DID not work on Alien: Covenant, so whatever he said should be taken with a grain of salt.
(3) Also we should consider the fact that perhaps the Engineers NEED to be wiped out to allow the Alien universe to continue. Humans colonizing the whole galaxy wouldn't really be possible with Gods who resent our creation.
lol @TDBY. Well, in my younger days with more hair, I fit the part but its not the same as your age. My body is more broke now than ever.
I served as cpmmando in turkish armed forces if u been at diyarbakir base maybe you know about them.
No, I was not there. I was in Kyrgyzstan for a bit before moving on to Afghanistan.
In Turkey, you have more US Air Force types based there.
Hooah! @TDBY, it is an honor to meet another soldier. Thank you for your service.
You see ONE Engineer and assume ALL engineers are like that!?
So the first person you meet on Earth = ALL humans?
Who would you use to seed a new planet? some 5' 8" slow witted skinny Engineer? lol no. you're(if your smart)going to use a buff badass Engineer
It's Like saying Einstein represents the I.Q. of all humans.
colonialsoldier far out mate, you could've been leading the Colonial Marines back in your day lol. Ripped.
From a Ally in Australia, thank you for your service :)
What i wanna know is have you Pair been on a Bug Hunt ;)
But Respect to you both, i have nothing but respect for the Armed Forces, for the work they carry out (not so much reasons for it) i would never had joined because well i am not good at taking orders and being trash talked to... not that its a problem as its done to make you stronger... i am more a person of mutual respect, and if asked to do something in a not so respectful manner then i can be very Rebellious.. so i am a bit of a Anarchist the other reason is Royal Family, as in the UK its blah blah blah God Save the Queen... and all that which is fine for others.. but for me i dont think Religion should apply and mainly i dont support Royalty... i view all Mankind as Equal... This does not mean i dont respect those who sign up though, just my personal Preference. Now if i was in the USA and so it was for the People/Country thats a different matter... but then again i guess thats what UK Armed Forces are for too... but if i joined i would have to refuse to wear anything that symbolizes Royalty..
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
As for the OT...... these are ENGINEERS... RS confirmed as such.... and this is Paradise... for all intensive purposes.. well RS confirmed it as the Home-world....
But alas..... there are flaws to these statements..
1) Would a Advanced Ancient Race who have seeded Worlds for Millions of Years, maybe longer.. really have their Headquarters on a Single World in a Single City?
2) Would such a Race who Travel the Stars in their Seeding Ships, and have also Outposts like LV-223 and so posses Technology... would they seem to only have One Hanger and then also One Docking Ship?
3) The Juggernaught ship they seem to recognize, yet this placed only had the Scorpion Docking ship which seems to not come from the Hanger that was opening up, and seems to large to fit inside, and they appeared to have little defense against attack (but we dont know how the Juggernaught Crashed). Would such a Advanced Race who assemble in ONE CITY, and have knowledge of the Engineer Warships really be so ill prepared with no defenses?
4) There are Females, and so why do they seed Worlds the way they do, and create Mankind if they can procreate themselves?
5) The LV-223 Engineers Juggernaughts have Navigation Systems to other Galaxies, why if they cant travel to other Galaxies.. and so these beings can traverse great distances and so the chances of this single place with the limited defenses and Females, seems to be odd that it just happens to be their Home-World so close to Earth. On the Galactic and Inter-Galactic Scale.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
So to continue.....
Now we can pick apart the Flaws in the Engineers, this is a massive oversight by RS.. but then look at Alien (Two Different Space Jockey Sizes) and Prometheus and the not so Space Jockey Sizes.. to AC and the oh well many are the same as Human Height..... This is a Oversight of Epic Proportions
The Make-up also Lazy... a bit more White, a basic Prop Makeup and Blackout contacts and Job Done....
However lets consider something....
Ridley Scott had said the Engineers are not a Race but a Civilization, he also said something about how there may be many versions of us... when implying the Engineers too.
The Hall of Heads, RS had called Wise Men, Superior beings (to who Man or those beings on Planet 4?) and the Apostles. One of the main Production Crew also said these beings were the HIERARCHY
The Hall of Heads look like the Elders from the deleted Prometheus Scenes, now this scene was removed because RS did not want to Meet GOD in the first movie.. which means the Engineers are not GODS he also said that David/Shaw will find these beings but they too are not GODS
RS had said after he announced Alien: Paradise Lost weeks prior to AC name change, that if the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then who allowed Worlds to be able to be viable to seed Life... Where is the Big Guy.
This confirms a Hierarchy of beings..
We need to take note of the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus because RS said this was like a Ancient Mayan/Inca Sacrifice where a Person would be chosen to be the Sacrifice and they would live as a Prince for a year and then be Sacrificed for the greater Good of the Tribe... to appease the Gods and bring about a better Harvest etc. The Sacrificial Engineer was performing the same task... he was Chosen to Sacrifice himself to Seed Worlds for the greater good.
So we see a Pebble Ship drop this Engineer off, we do not see who had dropped him off.. (it was the Elders but this scene was cut out)... In Alien Covenant the Hall of Heads show us what look like Elders.
If we look at the Hanger in AC... it is surrounded by Statues in a pose similar to the Buddha Offering Statues..
So my theory is this place is similar.. its either where the Elders obtained their Sacrifices from... but this Race Rebelled and was replaced by the beings we see on Planet 4. Or the intention was to create a Race that are sub-servant that would eventually be taken back to Planet 4. We however proved not to be ideal for reasons and so we was forsaken and abandoned.
Few Key Points about Paradise as in context to Bible and Paradise Lost.
*Paradise is not where GOD comes from or rules from.
*Paradise is not where the Angels come from.
*Paradise is where the Garden of Eden is located
*Paradise is where the Cradle of Civilization began (Mankinds Origins).
*Paradise is watched over by Cherubim Angels who watch over Gods Creation and Guard the Garden of Eden.
So this place in AC could be Paradise, but it does not mean its where the Hierarchy of Engineers comes from.... and its likely these beings was watched over by some Caste of Engineers/Elders and this is what the Scorpion Docking Ship could have been.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
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