Log in to unlock your profile!
Alien: Covenant

Alien: Covenant - Prometheus sequel by Ridley Scott

Alien: Covenant

The Alien: Covenant & Prometheus Movie Community

Something is wrong about engineer fellas

Tdby

Member

8

Posted Jun-09-2017 7:28 AM

Engineers in covenant look like retarded villagers. 

That planet only has 1 city and there is no technology at all. 

I think they are not engineers but some farmer folk created by engineers.

Replies

Starlogger

Moderator

44

Posted Jun-09-2017 8:00 AM

I tend to agree with you. Even IF RS had the "intent" that that was the "entire Engineer" race, then...well, that was just stupid, so they'd better retcon that idea into something more plausible.

cabin flutist yacob wagner

Member

1

Posted Jun-09-2017 8:10 AM

Yes this speculation is around since the first footage of the civilization of the planet was released.

The novelization doesnt back it up tho nor hints it in any way.

Lone

Member

73

Posted Jun-09-2017 8:12 AM

I think they are either a sacrificial caste, some of whom get taken away periodically for seeding. There were tall, cloaked males visible in the background who look similar to the sacrificial Prometheus Engineer.

They could also be a hybrid caste, maybe a step up from humans?

Or they are another race who have been made in the image of the Engineers.

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Barf The Mog

Member

11

Posted Jun-09-2017 8:16 AM

Tdby you said, "Engineers in covenant look like retarded villagers." 

You must love internet anonymity. Did you ever think that using that word is derogatory, something I have had to bring to your attention before. Please be aware that this is a community of individuals who want to discuss all things ALIEN, and some of us (me) are sensitive to groups of people being reduced to disparaging words. Even in a fictional context.

Type "Cro-Magnon" into your search engine, then click search. Bone structure goes through years of evolution, and look at different bone structures of early man. We do not know what the Engineers evolved from.

About your photo there - Predators hunt down beasts that will challenge them, they learn from this. They have respect for a great fighter, watch Predator 2. 

Dutch, (played by Arnold) was a greater warrior than that particular Predator. This all common knowledge.

here - this will help for the final exam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJzw-hgTTw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPa5oVG-nII

Now back to Covenant.

Updated post.

Capt Torgo

Member

0

Posted Jun-09-2017 10:21 AM

As meticulous as R.Scott is, it's my impression that this scene was originally aborted! Yet somebody fought for it so maybe that's why they don't look super pimp like the clearish blue fellas from Prom. Who knows though about whether this is engineer home base or not. 

colonialsoldier

Member

21

Posted Jun-09-2017 10:28 AM

My take is (regardless of the meticulous Ridley Scott) is also some lazy screenwriting. We can all speculate on what the Engineer species was comprised of but if there is no real backstory; I am not even going to wonder lol.

DG

Member

14

Posted Jun-09-2017 10:56 AM

I'm not sure if it's accurate to lump in the Engineers (the ones who actually manipulated genetic material, as seen in Prometheus) with the citizens who were bombed in Covenant. I was thinking those people were created in the elders' image and were unable to create (since the elders and Engineers died out due to their hubris) but thrived as a civilization. That's why they were so defenseless and awed at David's arrival--a ship like that probably hadn't been seen for hundreds if not thousands of years. People tend to scoff at the Engineers getting wiped out in one scene, but it makes perfect sense to me. The Engineers as we saw them were on their way out long before we came along because their hubris destroyed them. The race that David bombed were innocent descendants.

David001

Member

0

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:07 AM

Lone, that makes a lot of sense. That would explain why there's such a big difference in the look

K-Theory

Member

2

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:37 AM

Let me make some points: 

(1) No matter how primitive they may seem, they aren't "retarded." Roman peasants would have the same IQ (if they took a Raven's progressive matrices test) as we do today. Same goes for hunters and gatherers 20 000 years ago. 

@Barf the Mog, I don't know why you are so upset. Retarded is a fairly used word on the internet so I am sure you should've been acclimatized to its use. 


(2) Damon Lindelof says that planet isn't Paradise. Therefore those may or may not be the Engineers. However, we do see some Engineers (pause at the waving scene) looking very similar to the clones in Prometheus. BUT, Lindelof DID not work on Alien: Covenant, so whatever he said should be taken with a grain of salt. 

(3) Also we should consider the fact that perhaps the Engineers NEED to be wiped out to allow the Alien universe to continue. Humans colonizing the whole galaxy wouldn't really be possible with Gods who resent our creation. 

colonialsoldier

Member

21

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:43 AM

I am still in great shape for my age. :)

Tdby

Member

8

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:46 AM

Ure ok lol

colonialsoldier

Member

21

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:51 AM

lol @TDBY.  Well, in my younger days with more hair, I fit the part but its not the same as your age.  My body is more broke now than ever.

Tdby

Member

8

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:53 AM

I served as cpmmando in turkish armed forces if u been at diyarbakir base maybe you know about them.

colonialsoldier

Member

21

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:55 AM

No, I was not there.  I was in Kyrgyzstan for a bit before moving on to Afghanistan.

In Turkey, you have more US Air Force types based there.

colonialsoldier

Member

21

Posted Jun-09-2017 11:59 AM

Hooah!  @TDBY, it is an honor to meet another soldier.  Thank you for your service.

Tdby

Member

8

Posted Jun-09-2017 12:00 PM

Honor, courage, samper fi thx for ur service too.

MonsterZero

Member

2

Posted Jun-09-2017 12:01 PM

You see ONE Engineer and assume ALL engineers are  like that!?

So the first person you meet on Earth = ALL humans?

Who would you use to seed a new planet? some 5' 8" slow witted skinny Engineer? lol no. you're(if your smart)going to use a buff badass Engineer

It's Like saying Einstein represents the I.Q. of all humans.

IRaptus

Moderator

115

Posted Jun-09-2017 4:01 PM

 colonialsoldier far out mate, you could've been leading the Colonial Marines back in your day lol. Ripped.

From a Ally in Australia, thank you for your service :)

 

BigDave

Moderator

267

Posted Jun-09-2017 4:48 PM

What i wanna know is have you Pair been on a Bug Hunt ;)

But Respect to you both, i have nothing but respect for the Armed Forces, for the work they carry out (not so much reasons for it) i would never had joined because well i am not good at taking orders and being trash talked to... not that its a problem as its done to make you stronger... i am more a person of mutual respect, and if asked to do something in a not so respectful manner then i can be very Rebellious..  so i am a bit of a Anarchist the other reason is Royal Family, as in the UK its blah blah blah God Save the Queen... and all that which is fine for others.. but for me i dont think Religion should apply and mainly i dont support Royalty... i view all Mankind as Equal... This does not mean i dont respect those who sign up though, just my personal Preference.   Now if i was in the USA and so it was for the People/Country thats a different matter... but then again i guess thats what UK Armed Forces are for too... but if i joined i would have to refuse to wear anything that symbolizes Royalty..

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Tdby

Member

8

Posted Jun-09-2017 4:51 PM

@colonialmarine

I deleted my pic you better do same. You know stuff. 

BigDave

Moderator

267

Posted Jun-09-2017 4:57 PM

As for the OT...... these are ENGINEERS... RS confirmed as such.... and this is Paradise... for all intensive purposes.. well RS confirmed it as the Home-world....

But alas..... there are flaws to these statements..

1) Would a Advanced Ancient Race who have seeded Worlds for Millions of Years, maybe longer.. really have their Headquarters on a Single World in a Single City?

2) Would such a Race who Travel the Stars in their Seeding Ships, and have also Outposts like LV-223 and so posses Technology... would they seem to only have One Hanger and then also One Docking Ship?

3) The Juggernaught ship they seem to recognize, yet this placed only had the Scorpion Docking ship which seems to not come from the Hanger that was opening up, and seems to large to fit inside, and they appeared to have little defense against attack (but we dont know how the Juggernaught Crashed).  Would such a Advanced Race who assemble in ONE CITY, and have knowledge of the Engineer Warships really be so ill prepared with no defenses?

4) There are Females, and so why do they seed Worlds the way they do, and create Mankind if they can procreate themselves?

5) The LV-223 Engineers Juggernaughts have Navigation Systems to other Galaxies, why if they cant travel to other Galaxies.. and so these beings can traverse great distances and so the chances of this single place with the limited defenses and Females, seems to be odd that it just happens to be their Home-World so close to Earth. On the Galactic and Inter-Galactic Scale.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Tdby

Member

8

Posted Jun-09-2017 5:16 PM

Xfghh .vhiio fgijg fgyù chjk.

BigDave

Moderator

267

Posted Jun-09-2017 5:17 PM

So to continue.....

Now we can pick apart the Flaws in the Engineers, this is a massive oversight by RS.. but then look at Alien (Two Different Space Jockey Sizes) and Prometheus and the not so Space Jockey Sizes.. to AC and the oh well many are the same as Human Height.....  This is a Oversight of Epic Proportions

The Make-up also Lazy... a bit more White, a basic Prop Makeup and Blackout contacts and Job Done....

However lets consider something....

Ridley Scott had said the Engineers are not a Race but a Civilization, he also said something about how there may be many versions of us... when implying the Engineers too.

The Hall of Heads, RS had called Wise Men, Superior beings (to who Man or those beings on Planet 4?) and the Apostles. One of the main Production Crew also said these beings were the HIERARCHY

The Hall of Heads look like the Elders from the deleted Prometheus Scenes, now this scene was removed because RS did not want to Meet GOD in the first movie.. which means the Engineers are not GODS he also said that David/Shaw will find these beings but they too are not GODS

RS had said after he announced Alien: Paradise Lost weeks prior to AC name change, that if the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind, then who allowed Worlds to be able to be viable to seed Life... Where is the Big Guy.

This confirms a Hierarchy of beings..

We need to take note of the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus because RS said this was like a Ancient Mayan/Inca Sacrifice where a Person would be chosen to be the Sacrifice and they would live as a Prince for a year and then be Sacrificed for the greater Good of the Tribe... to appease the Gods and bring about a better Harvest etc.  The Sacrificial Engineer was performing the same task... he was Chosen to Sacrifice himself to Seed Worlds for the greater good.

So we see a Pebble Ship drop this Engineer off, we do not see who had dropped him off.. (it was the Elders but this scene was cut out)... In Alien Covenant the Hall of Heads show us what look like Elders.

If we look at the Hanger in AC... it is surrounded by Statues in a pose similar to the Buddha Offering Statues..

So my theory is this place is similar.. its either where the Elders obtained their Sacrifices from... but this Race Rebelled and was replaced by the beings we see on Planet 4.  Or the intention was to create a Race that are sub-servant that would eventually be taken back to Planet 4.  We however proved not to be ideal for reasons and so we was forsaken and abandoned.

Few Key Points about Paradise as in context to Bible and Paradise Lost.

*Paradise is not where GOD comes from or rules from.

*Paradise is not where the Angels come from.

*Paradise is where the Garden of Eden is located

*Paradise is where the Cradle of Civilization began (Mankinds Origins). 

*Paradise is watched over by Cherubim Angels who watch over Gods Creation and Guard the Garden of Eden.

So this place in AC could be Paradise, but it does not mean its where the Hierarchy of Engineers comes from.... and its likely these beings was watched over by some Caste of Engineers/Elders and this is what the Scorpion Docking Ship could have been.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

cryofodder

Member

0

Posted Jun-09-2017 5:46 PM

So it looks like there's room to grow in the Alien movie series. Ripley can't create a horror film with xenomorphs killing people to satisfy the Chinese market.   Maybe, we can go back to exploring the Engineers and their creators with less Xenomorph activity.

Sign in to add a reply to this topic!

Alien: Covenant Community Stats

Members Registered: 35,164

Alien: Covenant Fans Recently Online: 84

Welcome to the Alien: Covenant fan website & forum! Don't be a lurker, consider joining our community of like-minded Alien & Prometheus fans. By signing up you can comment on news articles, start your own forum topics, upload images and even win cool prizes! Over 35,164 fans have already signed up!

About Alien: Covenant

Alien: Covenant Movie

Release Date:

May 19th, 2017

Plot Synopsis:

Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

Latest Alien: Covenant Forum Topics

If you could only have one Alien franchise movie...

4 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 23:58:45

The Xenomorph Train & the Giger Choppa

3 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-17 02:56:47

ALIEN CONTINUUM - An Animated Film from the Alien Universe

0 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 16:28:05

Neomorph Explained - Life Cycle of the Neomorph

1 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 16:46:54

The Science Fiction Art of Georg Hilmarsson

0 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 15:13:47

NEW Blade Runner music

0 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 14:47:30

Engineer Crypts?

10 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 14:38:06

the legends get older....

6 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 14:45:02

what's your favorite death per Alien Film

8 Replies, Last Post: 2017-10-16 20:49:15

Latest Alien: Covenant Images

Xenomorph suit on set

Xenomorph suit on set

Oct-01-2017 11:46 AM
1 Comments

Neomorph proof of concept head

Neomorph proof of concept head

Jun-15-2017 7:57 AM
0 Comments

Neomorph proof of concept head

Neomorph proof of concept head

Jun-15-2017 7:57 AM
0 Comments

Neomorph proof of concept head

Neomorph proof of concept head

Jun-15-2017 7:56 AM
0 Comments

Neomorph

Neomorph

Jun-10-2017 8:06 PM
0 Comments

ALIEN: COVENANT will act as a sequel to 2012's PROMETHEUS as well as a prequel to 1979's ALIEN. Alien fans looking to know more about ALIEN: COVENANT as well as when its first trailer is set to debut, should check back often. Alien-Covenant.com is an information resource for film enthusiasts looking to learn more about the upcoming blockbuster Alien: Covenant. Providing the latest official and accurate information on Alien: Covenant, this website contains links to every set video, viral video, commercial, trailer, poster, movie still and screenshot available. This site is an extension of the Alien & Predator Fandom on Scified - a central hub for fans of Alien and Prometheus looking to stay up-to-date on the latest news. Images used are property of their respective owners. Alien: Covenant and its associated names, logos and images are property of 20th Century Fox and are in no way owned by Scified and its related entities. This is a fan-created website for the purpose of informing and exciting fans for Alien: Covenant's release. If you have any questions about this site, its content or the Scified Network in general, feel free to contact Scified directly.

Your account has not yet been verified. Please check your email for the verification link to begin posting.

Please review our rules before sharing content

Use Your E-Mail:


Password:


Stay Logged In

Content Policies & Legal Disclaimers