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Were the engineers in alien covenant actually enginears?

Were the engineers in alien covenant actually enginears?

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Timmy the ultramorph

May-31-2017 8:19 PM

HI guys. this topic was just sort of a therory that I some people and I thought of when we watched prometheous and alien covenant. Me and my friends theory is that the enginears shown in alien covenant are not actually enginears but something in between a human and an enginear or a type of vey primitive enginear. take a look at theses pictures. my point is that there is some very noticable differnences. the ones in prometheous have much smoother and translucent skin and have much more advanced clothing. the ones in covenant almost look human. almost. if they are primitive that could explain why there civilization that david bombed looked so unadvanced. another possiblity is that the enginears were seperated somehow and the 2 groups evolved seperatly. perhaps the more primitive looking ones had no reason to become advanced and were able to settle were the other more advanced group was put in a more dagurous inviorment and had to adapt. 

there is one more theory that i read online. hears a shortened verison. there used to be only one ultimate spiecies of enginears but over time the groups began to draw apart because of there fundimental values. one group wantet to build and creat things but the other wanted to destroy. they eventualy had a civil war witch the destroyers won. the destroyers then banished the few survivers of the creation group to a planet far away. this planet would just happen to be the planet that david bombs. therefore the engineers in prometheous are the destroyers. this could explain why they killed weyland,beheaded david and tryed to wipe out humanity. this seems a bit far fetched to me but i guess its possible.

let me hear your thoughts in the comments below. 

food ain't that bad! - Parker

13 Responses to Were the engineers in alien covenant actually enginears?

ali81

Jun-01-2017 1:27 AM

from the looks of the city and the obviously level of worship id say a distant relation. perhaps a seeded world where the inhabitants have a strong bond with their creators. would explain why they havnt been destroyed by the engineers yet humanity was on the hit list. where the engineers stopped influencing human evolution they may still visit these folk. im desperately hoping this is not the engineer homeworld

Epaphroditus

Jun-01-2017 2:34 AM

The last engineer died in Prometheus which is why Ridley eliminated the Shaw storyline , David bombed a likely creation of them as they showed no advanced technology on that planet .

 

 

 

djamelameziane

Jun-01-2017 6:28 AM

I really hope not  if they are how bad is the production in terms of idea all the way up to execution!

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

drucea

Jun-01-2017 2:16 PM

What I'm not understanding is why everyone describes the "Engineers" that David bombed as "primitive" and having"no technology."  In the center of their city was a huge, seemingly automated scorpion tail for the juggernaut to dock with. They also seemed to be expecting the ship or excited for it.  They have far more advanced technology than we have on earth.  If someone found earth with no one to explain what our technology is for, they might think our giant satellite dishes are big ray guns for defense.  The engineers on this planet obviously have some technology unless it was all placed there by the original Engineers.  Although as I'm typing this, I'm wondering if maybe the scorpion tail was a dock for the gods (Engineers) to visit for whatever reason. Which could also explain why 250,000 people crowded to the city center to greet the juggernaut. 

BlackGooDrinker

Jun-01-2017 2:55 PM

Perhaps because that "advanced technology" was built by the engineers for when they come back and check on their creations. That also can explain why the humanoids were excited to see the ship arrive. 

 

I would also like to know what happend to the teardrop rounded ship in the beginning of prometheus. 

Is there an agenda the mods are not telling us about? ;)

BigDave

Jun-01-2017 3:17 PM

This is a very good Question...

However... the idea is these beings are ENGINEERS... yes they look Different, Why?  Its a RS Oversight... the same as how the Space Jockey was TWO Different sizes. The Space Jockey Chair was 16ft Long... The Space Jockey was supposed to be 26ft tall.... RS used Child Actors (inc his own kids) in smaller replica Space Suits (4ft) to create a Illusion of a Giant Space Jockey, then up close he used the Actual Actors (6ft Space Suits) which we was not supposed to notice and so we was expected to see the Space Jockey at over 20ft tall.

Same thing applies with the Not-So Engineers.

why it even happens with Prometheus and the not-so 9-10ft Tall Engineers...

The Concept Works for AC tells a Larger Story, they show that the Scorpion Docking Ship comes up from the Hanger, which in the movie we see it does not... but also it would be too large to anyway... but the Concept Works it did come out of that Hanger.

Also this Hanger or another had at least 2 Juggernauts arranged in a way that could possibly mean there was 4-5 facing each other in a circle.

The Movie however shows us no more Engineer Ships... as well leaving them in and the Scorpion Docking Ship rising from the Hanger would have raised a few Points..

1) Why did they not be able to defend better against Davids Attack

*As far as AC maybe it did once it realized and this is why Davids Juggernaught Crashed... but where is the Scorpion Ship now?

2) Why did David need to leave a Signal to get the Covenant Crew, if he had Engineer Ships.

*I heard the book claims they was put on Hold/Quarantine to prevent the infection, if so or even if not... David could have used them... However maybe first he needed Hosts for his Experiments and so first he would have to bait some Humans to come along, then experiment on them.. and then use the Engineers Ships.

3) Was there Surviving Engineers? if so why did they not leave in the other Ships?

Who knows... we dont know if there was survivors, but i think maybe there could have been some for Davids experiments and certainly his Anatomical Study of the Engineers would have needed one that was NOT-SO Burnt as those beings we see in AC.

We dont see any other ships in AC though, only the Scorpion Ship but this means we could wonder if this Ship had some Engineers/Elders who then escaped and went elsewhere.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

cryofodder

Jun-01-2017 3:21 PM

I’m still trying to get a handle on why David and Shaw landed on Paradise in the first place. It doesn’t seem like a mecca for a technologically advanced civilization as several have pointed out, but if David thought when he was on LV-223 that they came from there – what does that mean? Was Paradise a stopover for a little R&R by the Engineers while traveling to LV-223?  Seemed like a beautiful place - before being bombed!

BigDave

Jun-01-2017 3:30 PM

Now i have covered this a few times.. but here we go again..

Ok Lets assume these are ENGINEERS... Here are a few Questions.

1) Why would all those Engineers all only live in ONE Place? if this was the Homeworld of a Ancient Race Millions of years old who Seed many Worlds?

2) Why do they seem to be dressed in more Religious/Cultist Clothing and have a lack of Technology, as far as a Ancient Space Fairing Race... Apart from the Docking Ship, and the Gold Device on top of the Cathedral Dome?

3) Why only have the One Ship? maybe there are more, but it is funny these beings are related to the LV-223 Engineers who on LV-223 had many Ships...

4) Talking of the LV-223 Juggernaughts, why does there Navigation System show other Galaxies if they cant travel to other Galaxies....

The above 4 Points make us wonder, does a Race Who are Millions and Millions of years old, who Seed Worlds, have Advanced Space Craft that can likely Traverse Galaxies...  Why would they Set-up their Entire Civilization on One Planet and in One Small Area of this Planet with No Defenses, apart from maybe the Scorpion Docking-ship?

MAKES NO SENSE!

Unless they are so Naive and Arrogant that they believe without their Interventions and Teachings, the Worlds they Seed Life on WILL NEVER evolve as Advanced to Travel the Stars and be able to use their Technology..

Hence the Lack of Defenses, and also how those beings seemed to not have any FEAR or CONCERN until the Ship David had started to Bombard the Engineers

Surely their RACE must live in Harmony with Each Other? if they do-not and their are other Factions or they realize the Potential for other Factions or potential disagreements.. or if they happened in the Past..

Which then we have to ask... surely they would have DEFENSES just in case, and be a bit reluctant when a Military Ship returns having not heard off them for some time...

Unless Ships from other Outposts Return now and again over Hundreds of years?

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

cryofodder

Jun-01-2017 3:43 PM

@BigDave - I couldn't agree with you more.

BigDave

Jun-01-2017 3:43 PM

Continued.....

Ok lets look at some other points... if we assume these are ENGINEERS.

5) Why would they Create Mankind and Seed other Worlds, if these Engineers can Procreate, as there are Females on Paradise? Unless these Females Cant?

6) The Hall of Heads look like Elder Engineers, and RS had referred to them as Superior beings, (Superior to who, Humans or those other beings) Wise Men and the 10 Apostles, RS did say he did not want to meet God in the first movie and thats why the Elders Scene was removed and one the main Production Staff referred to the Hall of Heads as the Hierarchy.

7) RS did mention that the ENGINEERS are not a RACE but a Civilization.

8) Why are many of these beings only HUMAN-SIZE?

If these Beings are Engineers they could be creations of the Elder Beings, but then why Create Mankind if they have Females unless the Females can-not Procreate or Males or Both?

Otherwise maybe these are another Generation of Engineers, maybe they needed to Create Mankind to allow for Females to Procreate with, and then allow them to continue the Broken Re-Production Cycle... and so these beings are the descendants of the Engineers and Humans?

Or is this place where the created and seeded Race these Engineers had created and Evolved are allowed to come to and join their Civilization... but Mankind was a World where our kind had simply proved to had not Lived to the Engineers Expectations and Worship, we was simply not Worthy to gain entrance to Paradise.. unlike those other beings?

The above are some Explanations?  But next i will highlight what Paradise could be..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jun-01-2017 3:59 PM

Ok now lets look at Paradise? What is Paradise?  Many Cultures may see it as like Heaven, indeed some even think its another name for Heaven... a Place where Mankind who are worthy can join the Gods/Angels in everlasting Afterlife... its a Place that some Cultures/Religions is where The Fallen Heroes of Battle end up... or those who Died in the Name of GOD

The other interpretation to Paradise, which connects to the Bible and Paradise Lost Poem... is that Paradise is the Place where the Garden of Eden is Located.. 

This PARADISE

*Is not Where GOD or the Angels come from

*Its the Cradle of Civilization (First Man).

*The Location of the Garden of Eden

*Watched over/Guarded by Cherubim Angels.

It is a Place where after the Rebellion of a 3rd of the Angels, GOD had created a Place called Paradise that contains the Garden of Eden where Mankind would be created and they would dwell in this Single Place (Garden of Eden) and God would have Mankind Watched over by a Caste of Angels called the Cherubim

Paradise in the Alien Franchise is however not located on Earth

Paradise in Alien Covenant seems to have.

*A ancient Humanoid Civilization

*Seem to all be located within One Place

*Watched over by that Scorpion Ship

*Seem to Worship those beings in the Hall of Heads Room.

The Engineers in Prometheus was shown to be a Sacrificial Race, the whole Sacrificial Scene was important to the cause of those ELDERS a Lone Engineer is dropped off on to a World to Sacrifice himself... to Seed Worlds..

This being looks the same as the LV-223 Engineers only he did not have the Bio-Mechanical Pressure Suits or Technology,  Ridley Scott had said the Sacrificial Scene was like those of Ancient Mayans/Incas where a Sacrificial Being would be Chosen and they would live as a Prince for a Year and then they would be Sacrificed to the Gods, for the greater Good of his Race/Tribe.

He Recently mentioned again about Ancient Ritual Mass Sacrifices, and indeed Sacrifice is important to the Engineers Culture/Religion.

Like LV-223.. Paradise has a Hanger that was opening up for the Juggernaught, the beings seemed to be flocking to welcome this ship... This Scene is a event that does not happen often... Its is either like.

*The Return of your Countries War Heroes from overseas Battles

*The Visit to Countries by the Pope or Queen.

The Hanger had Statues like the Buddha Offering Statues around it.

To me this seems a connection to the Sacrificial Scene, and before i saw AC i wondered if Paradise was where these Engineers or other beings had been given, in return for the occasional Sacrifice for the Greater Good.  A ship would set down and collect Sacrifices to then go off and Seed Worlds.

This is where the Sacrificial Engineer came from, and the LV-223 ones but maybe they had Rebelled against this Purpose.

This is my whole view of things, and this theory i held even prior to AC being worked on... 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

livedavidevil

Jun-02-2017 10:29 AM

Hi =D
I'm sorry in BAD English.
I write the hypothesis that I arrived at.

It could not be originally an engineer to have been bombed by David.

Prometheus gives the human what's called causing innovation and the civilization fire and is punished to God.
This is a symbol and is not fire itself.

In Paradise Lost, paradise allowed to live is expelled by the stratagem of the snake forever by a tree of life by having eaten a fruit of the wisdom.
A reproduction act allows the person by a real effect of the wisdom, and this is because it was able to increase descendants in oneself.

Then how about a bombed engineer ...
They are form of another human given a fruit of the life.
characterized by the firm body with longevity.
But cultured and am born and jump over the form of the child in culture without a woman existing, and only a mature form may exist.

The intelligence is not so high, too and waits while God prays for doing the second coming.
It is a diver of the religion, the thought that was similar to a monk, simple life.
It is a flock of lambs of ... forgotten grazing land if I speak ill.

The Creator was afraid that the effect of a fruit of the life and the fruit of the wisdom became same.
Therefore I expelled it.
This is because even God almost immortality becomes the fear ultimate living entity.
It is A.L.I.E.N.

livedavidevil

Jun-02-2017 11:02 AM

There is "BLACK Goo" which entered the container to use in the central lower berth of the beautiful image which Mr. BIGDAVE showed, the self-sacrifice scene at the waterfall, but please pay attention to a cover.
A relief is carved with, but it is a tree of life (Sephirothic tree).

As I am related to the main theme of the work deeply, I come out to various points.
The design of that C.o.v.e.n.a.n.t. is a tree of simplified life (Sephirothic tree), too.

The poor human whom David bombed resembles the engineer seed which came out in Prometheus and thinks that it is different.

... box office not being sweet, and the plan of the new trilogy having possibilities to make the problem ... reduction.
As for what was bombed engineer, that called the mother star of the engineer it is decided, and may end it quickly.

A splendid script, the world of the magnificent myth and Bible.
I really wanted to see it.
I wanted to see XENO of biomechanoids, too.

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