Not long after Alien’s theatrical run, details for a movie sequel emerged in the press:
The Alien, merely stunned by its close encounter with the shuttle engines, manages to survive outside the craft and reaches civilisation along with Ripley.
A second expedition to the planetoid is stranded there and, weathering a storm within the derelict and their own ship, its members deal with a group of Aliens, climaxed by the appearance to whose race the Space Jockey belongs.
A prequel, rather than a sequel, telling the tale of the Space Jockey and ending where Alien begins, with the arrival of the Nostromo crew.
The planetoid of the Alien explodes, sending Alien eggs to Earth where a whole flock of the monsters run rampant.
“It certainly should explain what the Alien is and where it comes from,” he (Scott) told Omni’s Screen Flights/Screen Fantasies in 1984. “That will be tough because it will require dealing with other planets, worlds, civilisations. Because obviously the Alien did come from some sort of civilisation. The Alien was presented, really, as one of the last survivors of Mars – a planet named after the god of war. The Alien may be one of the last descendants of some long-lost self-destructed group of beings.”
But despite all of Ridley’s theorising and the commercial and cultural success of the original, the sequel did not appear. The reason for this is perplexing but simple: Twentieth Century Fox did not want it. Alan Ladd Jnr., the head of Fox who had heralded both Star Wars and Alien (and affectionately called ‘Laddy’ by Ridley Scott and co.) left the company in 1979 to found his own production firm, The Ladd Company, whom most will recognise as the producers of another science-fiction classic, Blade Runner. Ladd’s replacement was Norman Levy, who, according to Giler, opposed the very notion of an Alien II.
Would you like to see Scott’s Alien 2 in the future?
@Ati- I never saw this before. It has been so long that I would go with what we have.
The planetoid of the Alien explodes, sending Alien eggs to Earth where a whole flock of the monsters run
That sounds a bit AVPR ish to me.
Great find Ati. The fact that Scott wanted to do a prequel is something I have cited in the past. I know there are articles out there somewhere where Scott had discussed doing a prequel at the time Alien 3 came out. Scott's vision for Alien 2 is something I always wanted to see. When Prometheus came along, I was hoping it would take that path. I think the prequel idea has always been on the cards, but no one has been allowed to touch it except Scott.
Yes, dk, if you look at those 'movie possibilities', the ideas from 1979 have not been forgotten.
Batchpool, I want to see Scott's direct Alien prequel and direct Alien sequel as well.
@ Ati Given Scott’s current plans with the franchise and the number of movies he thinks he could do, part of me wonders if this is the real reason why Blomkamp’s vision has been parked. A third movie that backs into Alien and then a sequel to Alien would then give four movies. Five in total if you include Alien itself. Prior to Prometheus I remember Scott saying he was originally aiming at a trilogy that backed into Alien.
Thinking about the numbering system, If Scott were to do three prequels to Alien and then one after Alien then the last one would be Alien 5. That could come before Aliens, which would make Blomkamp’s idea Alien 7. Having two Alien 5’s could make things interesting.
They was toying with doing either a Prequel or a Sequel, the movie was just in this kind of phase and so not far, and so like Blomkamps Alien 5
Ridley Scott was busy with Legend and then Blade Runner and James Cameron pitched a idea to FOX and the Rest is History.
To be honest the whole Eggs flying Space Idea is Dumb... i mean Totally Dumb, but they could have had it as a Alien Ship leaves and is caught up in the Blast and Takes Damage and becomes a Flying Derelict that just happens to then enter our Solar System.
We have to remember RS/FOX have re-used un-used concepts and ideas from Previous movies Drafts, even things that never made it..
When Blomkamps Alien 5 was being announced he said he had a name but its very bold, and interesting but it kind of leaves them a bit dead in the water... so the name gives a lot away... RS liked the name..... at this time there was rumors of Alien: Hell on Earth, and Prometheus: Hell on Earth flying around.
It ends up the name was Alien Awakening.....
My point being that Ridley said he wants to go the whole War of the Worlds with this Franchise.... and so one of the Original Ideas before JC came up with his Aliens... was that the Xenomorph gets to Earth (flying Eggs lol).... we thus cant rule out them having a Hell on Earth Scenario.... Certainly a Direct Sequel to Alien Resurrection would have likely gone this path.
Another point to remember is Alien is based off Dan O'Bannons Star Beast, where the Eggs/Spores are the left over End Life-Cycle of a Ancient now long gone Alien Species who actually had a Civilization where they had used Hosts to Procreate their kind.
The idea is the Star Beast is Feral because it is Young, and has no Adult versions of its own kind to interact with and had it done so.... like they would thousands of years prior.. then the Alien would grow up to actually be a Intelligent Species.
This was to be explored in Alien as Originally they was thinking of killing off Ripley and have the Xenomorph imitate her voice and lay a Trap for a Rescue Mission.
So i think RS/FOX could explore the Xenomorph as being a more intelligent Organism as it evolves as who knows.. they could be Ret-coning Aliens on-wards.
Another aspect that could be re-used is the Exploding Alien World... i think they could use this idea for the eventual Destruction of LV-223 and thus giving a reason to why the company never go back after Alien Prequels and why they Pursue only the LV=426 Xenomorph.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I must admit the flying egg idea is bad, but if Ridley is going down the war route, I would love to see a load of colonial marines caught out in the open by flying Xeno's. That may sound a bit too Starship Trooperish, but flying Xeno's would be different for a movie.
Batchpool Some people seem to believe Ridley Scott is doing this just to right the wrongs they have been perpetrated against the franchise in the past, or because he is fascinated with the alien universe, but that is not the case. Even after doing Blade Runner he admitted he was not much of a sci fi fan. He also admitted that lately he is as much a business man as he is a director. I think he was clinging to Alien as a potential business enterprise. I am sure he was expecting Covenant to make more money than Prometheus, and now I don't think he will be interested in making a sequel.
I think he would still be interested, he sees Alien as his Baby... but also Blade Runner 2....
I do feel if Blade Runner 2049 is a Big Hit, then maybe RS would be more interested in working on a Blade Runner 3 or Blade Runner Prequel...
And leave the next Alien movie to someone else?
This would be a Win/Win for RS.... because if FOX see BR2049 as being a hit, and want to make a 3rd movie, there is no way RS can be a big part of a Blade Runner 3 and new Alien movie, and so for RS taking on a Potentially Disappointing AC Sequel and having it also not do well... would be a bit of a Tarnish to his Name and Reputation.
If he works on a BR3 and this is a hit too, then RS can then say that if he sticks to his vision he can produce a masterpiece.. and blame AC Failings on trying to give Fans "F$*£%^£ Aliens" as he put it in a interview
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Who knows... RS did say they need to concentrate on one Thread of String, and thats HIM (Xenomorph) and not to get involved in any Parallel Plots... and so to me this means they are running with the Xenomorph more than the Engineers/Black Goo.
RS did say that you could Change HIM, Evolve HIM as far as the Xenomorph and so yes can we really rule out different Xenomorph Hybrids/Evolution's.... can we rule out Flying Xenomorphs? Who knows.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@ Joylitt I think Scott has been using the franchise as part of a VR test bed, particulalry with the viral ads. I think there will be another movie, but then again anythings possible. The money markets have changed a hell of a lot since Prometheus and so has the way people view movies. I think the Hollywood opener night argument for measuring success is coming to the end of an era. As for Ridley looking at a business legacy, I think if he was to pass it on it would be to Luke Scott who has been groomed by Ridley imo to carry the torch. Here's something to take a look at if you have'nt already.
Loom by Ridley and Luke Scott
BigDave Well, he neglected his have his "baby" for quite a long time. I have the impression his favorite genre is period drama.
I think RS really enjoyed entering the Sci-Fi, he is a massive Space 2001 Fan... and i think after Prometheus and the Martian i think he started to enjoy getting into Sci-Fi.
Alien has been a bit of a Poisoned Chalice... for which i put my two cents in this post... http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-covenant-sequel-trouble
In hindsight he may had wanted to had done things different, no doubt he would have wanted to had carried on with a Alien Sequel... but then that never happened.
He then got to work on a Alien Prequel.. and i think for RS a lot of Frustration has to be with how FOX keep U-Turning on the Plans..
Continuing with the Franchise now is going to be Hard... He cant surely let Alien Covenants Sequel just not happen.. not after the Curve-ball...
In Hindsight i feel FOX may have wished they had taken Blomkamps Alien 5 and got RS to work on this instead..
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Interesting plot, I never knew about this story, the language barrier surpasses me, I've grown old with Alien, but we must be realistic, David/Walter has stolen the lidership to Alien/ Xeno, at this rate Alien is more closer to Blade Runner than ever.
If RS continued Alien with a focus on androids, it could join up nicely with Blade Runner. On the other hand, how far could he take this given age and all?
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